Joe Klein's defense of Obama crumbles

[disenfranchisedgal]

Time's hack Joe Klein tried to start a new spin, denying that Obama referred to Ahmenijad when talking about the Iranian leaders, but Politi-fact.com (named best newspaper website of 2007) has concluded that:

Obama clearly counts Ahmadinejad among those with whom he would meet. We rate McCain’s statement True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/495/

The Daily Howler will provide more debunking tomorrow.

By the way, in the Youtube video of the debate question, a picture of Ahmedinejad is shown to the readers and candidates at the same time as "Iran" is mentioned. Same for Chavez and Venezuela, Kim Jong Il and NK, etc.

See the 17th second:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSFSUbMWenU

That's right. Not the picture of the Ayatollah. It's the picture of Ahmedinejad. That's who Wolf meant as "leader" and Obama knew it.

[Adelante]

1. Welcome to DU, disenfranchisedgal

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. She's awfully disenfranchised. Must be from Michigan or Florida.

Of course, since her candidate (McCain) already clinched the GOP nomination, I don't see why she feels so disenfranchised.

:shrug:

[Labors of Hercules]

2. Don't you have someplace else to go?

If so, please leave here and go there.

[gateley]

3. Wow!

That does it, no WAY will Obama get my support knowing this damning information! Thank you for helping me see the light!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[MrScorpio]

4. And we all know that a Pres. Obama dialogue with our enemies is a bad thing

Right?

[2rth2pwr]

38. Then why won't he dialogue with Hamas and Hezbollah?

[VotesForWomen]

57. some of us just don't trust the guy to be doing *any* negotiating on behalf of the US.

[rucky]

5. That makes Joe Klien bad with spin...

and Obama better than McCain on Foreign Policy.

What's the problem?

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. You seem concerned about it.

So concerned, in fact, that you should probably go hide. Under a bridge.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a bridge with your name on it.


But thanks for sharing your concern with us. Oh and welcome to DU. Enjoy your short stay. :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

8. It's like WHACK-A-MOLE!!!

:rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

9. Welcome back.

:eyes:

[myrna minx]

19. The Cylon resurrection ships are in orbit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3WNt7yRU

.

[AllentownJake]

29. I'm so pissed

that I have to wait two weeks :-(

[Bleacher Creature]

37. Same here.

There's too many open questions and not that much time left. It's time for some answers.

[myrna minx]

48. I know. They made us wait for over a year for this season.

[Bleacher Creature]

52. I seriously can't stand the whole Baltar cult thing. nt

[myrna minx]

40. I know.

They made us wait for well over a year, and now we have to wait until May 30th. How many episodes are left in the series? :-(

[AllentownJake]

42. There are 20 total

and we've seen 7? So 13 more?

[myrna minx]

47. I just re-watched the miniseries two weeks ago.

It's just amazing to see how the show had progressed from the beginning. It's sad that there's only 13 more episodes, but I'm grateful that they are smart enough to go out on a high note and not meander with silly plot lines like the X-files did. I'm sure they'll leave some doors open for subsequent movies, don't you think?

[AllentownJake]

49. I don't know

I still think the show ends with Galtica getting into Earth's orbit and Chimpy nuking them.

[myrna minx]

53. What's amazing is that there were more people at the Obama rally in

Portland that than survivors in the entire Colonial fleet!

On edit: I think this is an official threadjacking. :rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

45. No shit.

[AllentownJake]

46. The guy who plays Tigh

Is going to have a part in the made for TV movie of this election.

Its almost like the writers based the character on McCain. Even the character is similar.

[myrna minx]

51. Damn. That's just eerie.

If McCain starts sporting an eye patch, then we'll know what the frak is going on. :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

10. Welcome to DU

and I have to give you mad props. It took me a long time to learn how to post like that on here.

Hope you have a very long stay.

[AlCzervik]

11. Nothing positive to say about your own candidate?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

McCain? There's not much positive to say about him.

All his supporters are left with is trolling left wing boards at this point.

[AlCzervik]

26. :-)

[cali]

12. oh, goody gumdrops

another one.

[anigbrowl]

13. When Khatami was president of Iran, conservatives kept pointing to Khameini

Nowadays they're all 'Ayatollah who?'. Imadinnerjacket won't be president much longer.

[Bleacher Creature]

15. Let me guess, you are an HRC supporter from MI or FL?

And you joined DU to air this one particular grievance as opposed to furthering the Democratic Party in general?

By the way, comparing the situation in Michigan and Florida to what happened in 2000 (or any other example of true disenfranchisement) is insulting. Just because your candidate does it doesn't make it right.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. Nah, I'm guessing she's a McCain supporter who realizes her candidate can't win.

Hence, she feels disenfranchised.

Boo hoo. :nopity:

[AllentownJake]

30. Probably

isn't even a girl. :rofl:

[bunnies]

16. Yay! Another reincarnated HillShill.

When you died... did you see a bright white light?

[AllentownJake]

31. Either that

or one of the ones McCain sent out a recruitment for.

[bunnies]

36. Same damn thing... imho,

They're both against Obama.

[City Lights]

17. So predictable.

:eyes:

[Buck Rabbit]

20. To Guantanamo with him! That evil talker!

[hfojvt]

21. wow, debate moderators got their facts wrong

Who would expect that?

Liberal Oasis sees Obama's response as a positive thing

http://www.liberaloasis.com/2008/05/debate_gets_elevated.php

"On MSNBC a few minutes ago, Obama foreign policy adviser Susan Rice just called McCain to task for not recognizing that Ahmadinejad isn't actually the leader of Iran -- a key point that LiberalOasis has long said should be central to reframing the Iran debate.

For too long, we have presumed that we must dumb down the debate in order to win. It will be a seismic shift in our politics if we can win by elevating the debate, introducing "new" information and better informing the electorate."

[OhioBlue]

22. what in the hell are you talking about?

Daily Howler said that what Joe Klein said that Obama said is debunked????

Do you know how lame you sound?

oh yeah - and my sister told me that she heard from the cousin of a friend of Hillary's former classmate's nephew that this one time, in band camp....

[DAGDA56]

23. Wow, all that incoherent work, just to post and run...sorry back and forth

debate just isn't your thing, d-girl.

[StevieM]

24. Welcome to DU! Sadly, I doubt you'll be here long. All of us Clinton backers have been told to

get the hell out of the party. We are of no more use to them.

I'm thinking of taking them up on the offer.

Steve

[BlooInBloo]

27. Only those who won't support the Democratic nominee. No need to lie.

[StevieM]

32. Maybe the Democratic nominee should learn how to treat others with respect and be a little less

condescending and patronizing.

Steve

[BlooInBloo]

34. (a) That has nothing to do with you being asked to leave, and (b) that's bizarre.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Obama's here? At DU?

No shit.

[ampad]

55. Really, Obama was here?

Do tell, what did he do to you, what did he say? :popcorn:

[AllentownJake]

28. Just because

The person is posting something that seems to benefit your candidate doesn't mean they do.

McCain is paying these people now.

[apocalypsehow]

33. Yeah, that's right: hold the little sock-puppet's hand, give it a big syrupy kiss on the cheek, and

do some more whining about how "mean" you think you're being treated because your candidate doesn't know how to to count. That's the ticket...

:nopity:

[pbca]

25. Awesome! Good for Obama!

Personally I believe that the U.S. needs a President who will meet with anyone - especially if it has the potential to ease tensions and resolve conflicts without violence.

[AlCzervik]

35. another ring and run, weak, very weak.

[MrScorpio]

39. I was hoping to play

What a downer

[AlCzervik]

41. we'll have with the next one, you know there's always 100's of next ones.

[MrScorpio]

54. Word!

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Hah? What's That? I can't hear you!

What, with your head lodged in your ass, like that.

[gabby garcia]

50. she's a "gal".

snicker.

i am a woman,
gg

[gateley]

56. And another one bites the dust --

That was quick.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=220960

[Political Heretic]

58. Who cares?

I don't know. I guess I'm just totally out of touch now. But I'm so sick of this GOTCHA stuff.