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Democratic Debate.....Thread 4 |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:48 PM
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8. Serious big ups to the DU MODS!!!! |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:46 PM
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2. Carols answer on candidates |
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any of them are better than bush. She is a class act.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:46 PM
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3. Kucinich on family farmers |
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He's done very well all night!
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:46 PM
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4. DK is doing the best he's ever done. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:50 PM
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13. And he was partying hard last night in Austin, Tx. LOL! |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:46 PM
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5. I Love Dennis Kucinich |
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:)
Just catching bits and pieces here....
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:47 PM
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6. Braun just gave a huge group hug to everyone on stage. it was great (nt) |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:47 PM
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:49 PM
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10. She is one classy lady. |
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I would be happy to vote for her. Loved the way she took on the RW about the funeral. Very nicely done.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:48 PM
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9. Are CMB, Kerry and Gep getting less airtime than the others? |
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Or is it just a perception thing on my part?
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:49 PM
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Q&A was Dean heavy, but that was their choice.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:19 PM
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51. Less than Dean & Lieberman, but not less than Clark & Kucinich. |
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Dean's the one all over the news. The media likes his controversial nature.
All the others have MUCH less air time, and when I DO hear about them on TV, it's something negative. Like Kerry's campaign isn't cutting it, Lieberman's appeal has gone down, etc.
It's a miracle anyone else has decent scores in the polls, considering the lack of media coverage. And Dean's complaining about being attacked. Truth is, he loves it. It gets his name on the news.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:33 PM
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60. I thought Gep had plenty of time...Kerry had a little less time |
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I'll rewatch the debate and see if your hunch is right.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:49 PM
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11. I really like this debate format. It seems that a lot more information |
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is getting expressed. Of course there is always room for even more depth and bredth....
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:51 PM
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15. these moderators were great |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:50 PM
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14. Kucinich Vegan & Meat Industry Mad Cow |
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Question is cheaply phrased... As someone who doesn't eat meat, with mad cow and all, how can you do for farmers?
Farmers in Iowa want a President to make sure he can get parity in price and enable them to get their goods to market.
What will help them is that I plan to take care of the things they care about, to break up agricultural monopolies, ensure the FDA is responsive to their needs such as in support for tests (mad cow)
Well be enacting policies that will enable the farmer to feed his family. That's what they care about not what I eat.
Ended on a shrill note. Minus points for that but answer was excellent
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:52 PM
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16. Joe just called Howard an angry extremist. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:53 PM
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19. Oy Vey! Get a NEW speech Howard! |
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That one is getting REALLY old. JMCPO
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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Howard does nothing for me. But thats just my opinion of course.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:02 PM
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33. I can't believe I actually use to support him. |
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:( He does nothing for me either. In fact, he really turns me off now.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:05 PM
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36. Yeah, I Can't Believe That Either, LOL !!! |
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Just funnin ya.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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23. Interesting contrast to Edwards's "you and I can change America together." |
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Edwards said that first, and then dean was left with "I can't do it, you can do it." It sounded kind of watered down compared to Edwards.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:56 PM
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29. Agree, Edwards was very good. He won this debate. n/t |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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25. No one really dominated |
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so again, Dean wins by proxy, though he did do pretty well so it's not undeserved. I also liked Edwards and Braun.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:56 PM
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31. Disagree--- Edwards and Dean *clearly* dominated. n/t |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:20 PM
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53. You're not objective. I've never run across a Dean supporter yet |
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who admitted that Dean didn't "win" one of the debates.
As for Edwards being one of the winners, I agree. He picked up some votes tonight.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:28 PM
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58. We didn't win the first few. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 06:01 PM
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65. it is getting as tarnished as the mill story which thankfully , was absent |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:54 PM
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20. Dean has shown why he is the frontrunner in this debate. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:56 PM
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32. and the others have shown |
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well, why they are "the others". ;-)
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:54 PM
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21. Dean's summation ROCKS! |
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The frontrunner is Bush The people must take back their country!
Woo hoo! Great Great Great debate! Howard was great today! So was Carol, Dennis, and John! I'd love to see any of them as VP!
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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27. I do so wish Sharpton and Clark had been at the debate, don't you? |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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"Takes a licking and keeps on ticking!" :D
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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Very good format, very good debate. I'm going to have to rethink my choice, though. There seems to be a few good choices - lots of research still.
I'm pretty proud of the Democrats.
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:55 PM
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26. Dick Gephardt is talking about his great education in Saint Louis... |
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...public schools. Funny, considering my father was in his class. Just that bit of "home" from the dogtown boy.
Now CMB. Says that when the Constitution was written, it didn't apply to her. Excellent closing statement from her. She deserves a cabinet position dammit.
Now Kucinich. Budget cuts are because of Iraq. End of fear, beginning of hope. Reconnect with world community. Re-establish our civil liberties.
Edwards. Not just talking, but listening. I'm ready for this fight. Putting forth his "from the people" credentials. Edwards selling himself as an outsider. I believe in you.
Lieberman. Running because I love this country and hate the direction GB is taking us. I can get elected (?). We aren't going to defeat Bush with anger. Rejecting extremism, shared values, common goals (Iraqi Liberation Council?, PNAC?). Anger, negativism, and division don't win (then why rely on it so much).
Dean. Frontrunner in this campaign is George W Bush. The American people are the underdogs. Stump speech closer.
Kerry. (will he resist a swipe?) Can't beat him by being lite...ok, Kerry is going to use his closing statements to attack Dean, not Bush. <click> Kerry says, "If he wants to make national security the issue of this campaign..." then he says he'll PERMIT IT and take him on regarding national security. Wrong answer, don't let Bush make the election all about national security.
That's it. moderator is thanking everyone.
and that's a wrap...
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:03 PM
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34. Pundits say Dean wins |
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With a nice smirk on their face.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:04 PM
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35. CNN has been pimping Lieberman. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:05 PM
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37. Yeah. Scary. I think Judy gets around. Kerry and now Joe. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 06:05 PM
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66. fox says dean,,,big surprise...NOT |
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Sun Jan-04-04 04:56 PM
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30. Dean spoke extremely well in his 'we can take it back' sum-up |
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That was very appealing!
I didn't think Dennis or Kerry did as well in their sum-up
DK and CMB got by far the best applause, as far as I can tell.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:05 PM
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38. I thought it was hokey and put-on. And that smile at the end |
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made my stomache turn. I dislike him now more than ever, after this debate. He's more act than substance.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:06 PM
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39. who are you talking about? |
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"I thought it was hokey and put-on. And that smile at the end" Posted by TexasSissy made my stomache turn. I dislike him now more than ever, after this debate. He's more act than substance.
Lieberman?
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:13 PM
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45. Dean (My response was to a post about Dean's closing remarks) |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:09 PM
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damn thing at the close of every speech and debate. Ack! He needs a new act! JMCPO
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:10 PM
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42. At least he shows up to the debates. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:28 PM
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57. Good. I hope he keeps saying it. Over and over and over. |
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It's important that people hear it, and I don't care how many times he has to say it.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:09 PM
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41. I don't support Gephardt, but he did well in this debate. As did Edwards. |
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I think they were the two winners.
Dean didn't totally screw up, so he'll still be the frontrunner in that state. But the others clarified some (bad) points about him, and that'll cost him a bit.
Kerry - it was a wash for him.
Lieberman - It's getting painful to watch him. No chance of winning. What's he doing?
Braun - She shouldn't be up there taking time from the serious candidates. She has absolutely no chance of winning, so she should bow out now, for the sake of the country and the party. It was okay for her to be in before, but now it's getting tiresome.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:11 PM
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43. Oops. I forgot about Kucinich. Well, I guess that pretty much |
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says it all about how Kucinich did. He was a humorous touch tonight, and he is very articulate, but no chance of winning.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:14 PM
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46. Where was your candidate......Clark? |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:12 PM
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44. What's up with Deans campaign manager? |
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They just had a brief interview with him and the guy seems like a real a-hole. His lack of support when asked about rather or not Dean supporters should back the nominee was telling as well. If dean gets the nom first thing he should do is fire this ass.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:15 PM
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47. Joe Trippi is a genuis |
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"What's up with Deans campaign manager?" Posted by Powerlock They just had a brief interview with him and the guy seems like a real a-hole. His lack of support when asked about rather or not Dean supporters should back the nominee was telling as well. If dean gets the nom first thing he should do is fire this ass.
-Hell no, Joe Trippi is a big key to Dean's grassroots success. Maybe he's just not good in front of the camera.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:18 PM
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50. He's prob in a hurry to get back on the trail. Trippi is genius. |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:16 PM
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48. Lieberman has a lot to say |
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in the spin room. Continuing his attack on Dean.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:18 PM
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49. Lieberman hates Dean more than Bush |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:20 PM
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52. Did anyone else pick up on the vibes between Edwards |
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and Dean?
AP, are you out there?
Something's going on. Edwards not only did not attack Dean; he seemed to support him at times (especially by taking it to Gep).
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:21 PM
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this could be interesting
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:23 PM
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55. Seriously--did you notice it? |
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:42 PM
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Edwards helped himself today. VP maybe?
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:43 PM
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62. I don't know what it was, but it was very positive, and it |
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was definitely there! It was great.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:26 PM
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56. I was there...outside |
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Dean supporters were out in force in a major blizzard. Edwards had a nice group, and Kerry and Gep had a handful. We had the giant "Win With Dean" signs hoisted up on cranes, which was hilarious and dwarfed the others. We also had tons of AFSCME people there.
Dean came and said hi to us, said a few words, and we followed him down the road to the entrance. It was great, ans showed our dedication.
Will try to post pics in a few days.
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:29 PM
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59. Good for you! We'll look forward to the pics. |
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I've experienced Iowa blizzards, and I commend you!
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Sun Jan-04-04 05:44 PM
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I think Edwards won the debate; thought he was just excellent
Thought Dean had a terrific closing statement & did nothing that will hurt his front place status
Gebhardt was terrible
I was hoping Kerry would do better; he didn't; his answers are always too long, he is too pompous, & doesn't connect with people; he needs to lighten up.
Kucinich was Kucinich
CMB was gracious, well spoken, & she will not win
Lieberman was the horrible; he should really leave the party.
I am still supporting Clark; Clark/Edwards would be great!!!!!
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Sun Jan-04-04 06:23 PM
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67. The clear loser of the debate - Wes Clark |
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as he didn't bother showing up.
What a campaign !
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Sun Jan-04-04 06:24 PM
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68. that was a huge mistake on Clark's part |
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Sun Jan-04-04 06:29 PM
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The first few debates were somewhat interesting to political junkies like us, but Joe Six-pack doesn't waste a Sunday afternoon watching the fifth in a series of 96 debates between the 834 Democratic candidates.
Many of them watch Meet The Press, though...
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Sun Jan-04-04 07:40 PM
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Edited on Sun Jan-04-04 07:43 PM by SahaleArm
Hello - Everyone is watching the NFL playoffs. Only Iowa and DU watched this debate and even that is suspect. Check the Nielsen overnights, MTP will beat the 'Iowa Debate'. Plus he got a one-in-one forum to pre-announce his tax reform plan.
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