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Rufus2007 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:04 AM
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Carville Claims to Have Raised $30 Million for Michigan redo (Video)
James Carville on CNN "American Morning" today said that he, Gov. Jon Corzine and Gov. Ed Rendell made an offer to pay the entire Michigan Democratic primary revote with $30 million they raised. Claims the Obama camp declined offer. Previously in March, they had only offered to pay for half the costs.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2643
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:06 AM
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1. Obama has some explaining to do if he declined the offer. n/t
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:10 AM
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4. Right, because it would make a ton of sense to submit yourself to an election that was funded by
your opponents.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:19 AM
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13. Michigan law made it a moot point anyway.
The only option that would include all Dems was a caucus, which the Clinton camp nixed from the get go.

Primary participation for Dems who crossed over to vote in the Repug primary (since they were told by clinton herself the MI primary meant nothing) made them ineligible to vote in a re-do.

That was a non-starter.

Case closed.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:18 AM
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10. How about, "We don't live in the former Soviet Union"?
:eyes:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:19 AM
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12. Independents would have been denied the ability to participate in the revote
This concern was noted by Obama's campaign. Also, there were legal questions concerning privately funding elections. Particularly that the state government is not allowed to share voter information with private companies. This was the main stumbling block for a FL revote.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:20 AM
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15. Not just independents, but Dems who voted in the Repug primary were out of luck too.
There was no way anyone would agree to the disenfranchisement of Democrats.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:21 AM
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16. The Obamites have no problem disenfranchising voters in caucus states.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:22 AM by NJSecularist
Why is that?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:22 AM
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20. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?
:rofl:

Bad investment, get over it already. You're one of the biggest Hill-whiners on this board. :rofl:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:04 AM
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37. thats a nice lie you keep pushing...
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:22 AM
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17. Really .... he doesn't have to explain anything...it's over and Obama
will be president..it is called winning the primary..
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:22 AM
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18. You don't reward rule breakers by letting them vote LAST, thus letting them have an ELEVATED say in
determining the nominee.

That would create utter CHAOS in future primaries.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:30 AM
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26. That presumes that the Dem Party will exist after 2008
which Hillary will not accept, since she's obviously trying to rip it apart. :rofl:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM
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32. Did you see her political hack on MSNBC today saying that the
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM by Skwmom
Democratic Party doesn't deserve to win if they can't unite (it's the second time I've heard him say this)? Yet the Clintons and their hacks are doing their best to try to fracture the party.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:50 AM
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34. Do you know who said this?
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:37 AM
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27. Obama didn't create this problem the polticians for FL and MI
Did
Why do Hillary supporters buy into this bullshit that Obama should fix it? FL and MI leaders took a vote and after being warned what WOULD happen the ignored the warning, and voted to movethe primaries

Obama had nothing to do with that, niether did Hillbilly.

They ALL knew before the start of this contest they had to win with 48 states, Obama did Hillbilly didn't and even if they were seated AS IS
SHE STILL CAN'T WIN

Hillbilly may be in the habit of blowing millions of Dollars but Obama has proven he is a lot smarter with money and a revote is major waste of money, which is why both states refused to waste money with a re-vote. So why should they
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:07 AM
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2. I'd like to see the terms of the offer, and the Obama camp's actual response and rationale.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:20 AM
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14. It's Hill-logic
She claims to have made an offer to the state legislature and she blames Obama for not supporting her offer. Hardly the same as a rejection. I'm sure it was a fair offer too. :rofl:
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:42 AM
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30. I am sure they filed that Offer in the same place they filed Hillbilly's demand for a debate.
File 13 :rofl:
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:26 AM
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22. If there were any offer ...
... it was probably full of contingencies and oddities that required Obama's approval. If it were just a matter of handing over the money to the state to run the election, Obama's campaign would not have a say.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:08 AM
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3. Carville can take his corrupt "mean green" from Clinton donors & SHOVE IT where the sun don't shine.
:nuke:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:22 AM
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19. Carville should take that....
"moolah" and put it into Katrina Relief? Naturally that doesn't follow "her turn" script. Scrub that.

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:12 AM
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5. Maybe they should use that money to pay off Hillarys debts.
Rather than try to buy her an election.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:12 AM
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6. The point wasn't who paid for it, but the disenfranchisement of Dem voters who voted in the Repug
primary.

Dem voters were told that their vote wouldn't count, so many crossed over to do their own "operation chaos" in the RNC primary.

Those voters would then be excluded, by Michigan law, from actually voting in the Democratic primary.

That is a non-starter.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:14 AM
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7. I was hoping Carville had dried up when he was exposed to sunlight
but no such luck I guess.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:16 AM
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8. Be careful what you wish for..
Obama might just kick her ass in Michigan. In any event he's gonna kick her ass in the primary either way. :smoke:
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:27 AM
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23. He has kicked-dd her ass...this is over to me
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:31 AM by Max_powers94
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:17 AM
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9. I for one am glad that James "Our Brand is Crisis" Carville is running around the country, trying to
stir the pot.

Anything to keep him away from democratic elections in other countries like Bolivia.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:19 AM
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11. Put his money where his mouth is
where's the proof that they raised that much? During which time period was this offered? From what I've read one of the arguments that was used for not approving the revote was because the funding for the revote was not on hand BEFORE the measure was to be approved. For those dems that espouse fiscal responsibility and pay-as-you-go that would probably set a bad precedent.It's one thing to offer to pay for it, it's another to actually have the money IN HAND before you seek approval for another primary. So he's claiming that they HAD the money to pay for the primary, well in light of contradictory reports, I'd like to see the proof for his claim before I fall down on one side or the other.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:25 AM
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21. 30 million dollars?
Like the 10 million they raised the day after PA.

They are liars. Proven liars.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:28 AM
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24. Lets do em both next weekend, Obama will still win the nomination easily n/t
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:29 AM
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25. it's not ethical to pay for your own election. That's up to the state party or the DNC
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:40 AM
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28. When has "BREAKING the DNC rules" or "being unethical" ever stopped HRC and her surrogates?
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:40 AM by ShortnFiery
:puke:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:41 AM
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29. nope. And that's how they'd treat the Constitution if in power.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM
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31. Yeah, I'm sure they offered to pay for it, complete with ballots pre-printed with Clinton votes.
I don't trust a word coming from that man's mouth.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:46 AM
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33. They have been saying this since around the time of the pennsylvania primaries...
and I have been suspicious every since then, the governor here jumps on screen everytime I look around spouting her support for Hillary along with certain other legislators who have set up this mess in the beginning. I don't trust them because they want it too much and people have changed their minds since then. They need to follow the rules.
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Rufus2007 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:51 AM
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35. Wonder how they came up with it...
I think they only offered to pay for half of it around the time of Pennsylvania. Thirty million is a lot of money to come up with out of thin air.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:53 AM
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36. Carville sucks donkey you-know-whats. MI voters had an opportunity to vote...
...and their plotitcians FUGGED it all up. (misspelling intentional)
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