OK, who lost today's Iowa debate?

[Padraig18]

Who came off badly, and probably hurt their prospects, either in Iowa or long-term (since CMB and JL aren't running in Iowa)?

edit: typo :)

[Capn Sunshine]

1. other: Clark lost

strategic retreat is not the direction of a campaign with winning momentum

Unless your fearless leader says so!

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. Clark won BIG TIME on MTP this morning. Good move

on his part. JMCPO

[bowens43]

42. Clark's inability to hold his own in debates

can hardly called a win.

[NV1962]

47. Clark's keeping his powder dry

Just watch him win. :)

Chosing Meet the Press was a clever one. He got a whole hour, all for himself, on a show with a massive audience.

And there'll be quite a few debates where you can see why Clark's ahead of the game.

[DFLforever]

49. Clark

Uncommitted Dems may get the impression he's no longer a serious contender; however, I'm not surprised to see he still has at least 72 supporters in this poll.:evilgrin:

[adamrsilva]

2. Kerry did pretty poorly

He will never break out, it seems.

[Padraig18]

3. I think Kerry & Lieberman did poorly.

Kerry was, at best, lackluster, and Lieberman came off as shrill. Gephart treaded water, and he needed to do better than that, so it hurt him, too.

[janx]

Lieberman is toast and stayed toast, but Kerry made a fool

out of himself.

He greatly underestimates the intelligence of the average American voter. They know lies when they see them.

[Bucky]

43. I hate cliches like this, but *ding-ding-ding-ding*

Kerry was horrible. He and Lieberman came off as practical twins--utterly negative, gloomy, sour-assed, and un-presidential. I wasn't inspired by Dean as much as he needs me to be. Well, fuck me, I live in Texas. But if he's still struggling like this in October, I want a freakin' apology from everyone who said he was electible. He's overcoming the clunky amateur attacks of two insiders who, at heart, are really gentleman trying to adapt to playing an ungentle game.

Let's not expect Rove to roll over quite so easily.


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[ProudToBeLiberal]

4. The people voting for dean

are people who despise dean anyway. No matter how dean does they'll always be ABD

[adamrsilva]

6. Really

No one can honestly think Dean was worse than Kerry or Lieberman!

[T Roosevelt]

8. If they do...

then I don't think they were paying attention...;-)

[DemOutWest]

11. I was

paying attention. He stumbled on the Tax Cut answer, he set a timeline for balancing the budget. He could only hurt himself. He did not look or sound presidential.

Lieberman is toast. But he was way behind so he won't lose any supporters.

[DemOutWest]

10. Honestly

I think Dean did worse than Kerry. Kerry was off but had great ideas. To say he lied is another smear.

The only ones who gained were Edwards, and CMB. I think everyone else stayed the same or lost.


Dean had a chance and gave a typical politician answer. He didn't answer.

[ozone_man]

23. Edwards dodged the question regarding public education

of his younger kids. He didn't answer the question from Michelle Norris regarding whether he would send his kids to public schools once he was president. He side stepped the question, probably indicating that they are going to private schools now, etc.. He's slick, but is not going anywhere.

Carol Mosely Braun "won" the debates. She will be Dean's vice president.

[isbister]

46. Re: Edwards dodged the question regarding public education

Watch again. He didn't dodge the question... he began by saying "yes, yes to your question".

[Padraig18]

7. True, OR...

... they didn't watch the debate. I've even seen *many* die-hard supporters of other candidates acknowledge that Dean did well today...

[ncrainbowgrrl]

5. Lieberman

I'm not sure if it's his voice or his ideas that annoy me more each time I hear him speak. Even the repugs calling into C-SPAN are saying that Lieberman lost this one big time.

[Padraig18]

9. Yeah, the Republicans are right.

He hurt himself BADLY today...

[artistaboard]

12. Dean

While Edwards was pretty darned impressive, Kerry looked worrisomely cadaverish, Leiberman seemed whiningly desperate, Gephart gritty and believable, Kucinich speaking his heart, Moseley Braun the usual wisdom with that smile, but Dean appeared like a robot, stiff and delivering the same lines we've heard before.

[NoPasaran]

13. Gephardt

Gephardt needed to stand out in this debate. He didn't do that. If he doesn't win Iowa he will be toast in my opinion.

Yes, Lieberman was pretty revolting. He's not even participating in the caucuses, is he? His purpose for being there was just to bloody Dean as much as he could.

But Gephardt needs to win in a couple of weeks. I don't think he really got much of a boost from this.

[Hoppin_Mad]

14. Other - Clark - Is he running a REAL camapign ? Not without Iowa ! -eom-

[SahaleArm]

29. President Tom Harkin agrees n/t

[askew]

15. Lieberman and Kerry

Lieberman is a joke, no doubt about it. Kerry just sounds pompous and he has run over his time in every single debate. That with his bizarre attack on Dean at the end, won him no points. I think Edwards or Gephardt may have picked up some supporters today from ex-Kerry supporters.

[shivaji]

16. Clark lost by his conspicuous ABSENCE, and..

and then the ex-general had this lame excuse on Meet TP:
I could not afford to spend weeks in Iowa!

Excuse me, I thought the debate was a ONE DAY AFFAIR.
Is Clark trying to sneak in under the radar, without having to
confront the other candidates in a open debate?

[wyldwolf]

17. Why didn't Sharpton lose by conspicuous ABSENCE?

[lurk_no_more]

37. Cause he's not Clark

You did notice who the only supporters who mentioned Clark losing were, right?


” JAFO”

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Once again.

Clark had to pass on this debate because of the due date of his grandchild...who was born early on Christmas. By the time baby Wes was born, Grandpa Wes already had OTHER commitments. OK? Clark IS NOT a candidate to run from a fight. Just ask the FAUX NEWS guy who TRIED to take him on...the FAUX NEWS guy received a SMACKDOWN! Clark doesn't run from confrontation...he deals with it.

As for him not campaigning in Iowa. He entered the race in September. The other candidates had been there for months and months and he was STILL in the process of getting a campaign team together. He was smart to concentrate his resources and energies in NH, SC, AZ, and OK. He would have wasted millions in Iowa.

[gun_toting_liberal]

35. yeah well....

Someone in his front office should have told him to "waste" $400 on a coach class ticket to Iowa for a nationally televised debate.

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. He didn't exactly waste his time

Read all about it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-01-05-clark-women_x.htm

[janx]

38. Clark entered the race too late to get any real traction in Iowa.

It's a bit of a shame. He would have contributed to the debate.

[zulchzulu]

18. Only Dean partisans think he did OK and JK did badly

JK did fine. I'd like anyone to point out what JK said that made him look bad. Save it on the "he sounds pompous" crap.

Dean however showed a lot of weaknesses imo. Lieberman (who I can't stand on a few levels) pounced on Dean and Dean didn't answer well at all. He looked stiff and tired.

[adadem]

20. Yes

Kerry did ok...no better no worse. Edwards was much, much better. Lieberman sunk even lower. Gephardt is now off my top three list replaced by Edwards. Dean...well was Dean...though he appeared a tad nervous at the beginning. At least he didn't stick his foot in his mouth again. I missed Sharpton.

[stickdog]

19. This poll clearly demonstrates the dynamics of the ABD crowd. (nt)

[janx]

26. Yes. It does.

.

[DemOutWest]

32. What dynamics

If there is a ABD, it is because many, and I mean many people think Dean is at the bottom.

I was objective when I decided to get involved. Dean was near the bottom then. I have not seen or heard anything to change my mind.

I agree, for Democrats, ABD, in General election, ABB.

[OHdem10]

51. ABD Crowd, who do you believe will have

the confidence to stand up to Bush. When the Media says now be nice to Bush who will not roll over and jump hoops to appease? I am not a Dean supporter but I am tired of DLC and their ABBD tactics.
We have csistently lost seats in Congress listening to them.

[TeacherCreature]

21. Oh I see all the people angry over supporting losers have checked in

There is no way Dean lost. Edwards did well and so did CMB. DK was on the attack (though his supporters seem to want to ignore that fact) which turned me off, but he got some laughs.
Kerry and Lieberman lost points big time. Gephardt was stagnant.
But Dean, because all the candidates directed their questions to him (except Edwards I think?)...and because he and Carol made the only ABB statements all evening, won the debate hands down.

[democratreformed]

22. BT

[TeacherCreature]

39. ST

[Padraig18]

24. Nice to see the 'usual suspects' voting for Dean!

What a joke! :eyes:

[unfrigginreal]

33. Great Poll

It says a lot. :thumbsup:

[Closer]

34. HAHA

Yes it does doesn't it.

It says, they just NEVER go away. Like flies on shit.

[deminflorida]

25. Because it was televised by FOX,....Clark and Sharpton Won..

period...

[SahaleArm]

28. MTP versus Iowa? That's a tough-call...

Exactly how many people watched this debate on an NFL playoff Sunday?

[SCB]

40. Did you see the interception return for a TD to give Green Bay a

sudden death overtime victory over Seattle? :toast:

[chocolateeater]

41. I saw it on C-SPAN.

Clark and Sharpton weren't there, so they did not win or lose. I think Kucinich, Mosely-Braun, and Edwards did very well. Dean and Gephardt did all right. Kerry did OK, but not as well as Dean or Gephardt. Lieberman tanked.

[Spirochete]

30. I thought..

Edwards, Braun and Kucinich did the best.
Kerry, Dean and Gephardt did just all right.
Lieberman sucked eggs.

[Mass_Liberal]

36. Lieberman lost

looked like an old whiny bastard with no energy, no ideas, no positivity. Jack Shit. His attacks on Dean looked petty and didnt improve his chances. God do I hate this man.

[Bucky]

44. No, Lieberman is no worse off. Kerry lost ground by acting Lieberish

It didn't work. Kerry just sank his own boat.


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[poskonig]

45. I'm not certain how Dean lost ground during this debate.

The irrationalism of antideanunderground is pretty obvious at this point.

[curse10]

50. Lieberman, clearly

When is he dropping out for chrisakes!