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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:04 PM
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About Michigan: Please Help Me Out
Am I missing something here or am I reading it correctly? Clinton supporters are pissed off because they think its more important to count people's vote even though the rules weren't follow. In other words, a person's wish to vote for Hillary is more sacred than established and agreed upon rules.

While at the same time Clinton supporters take the position that its ok to take the vote as is even though Obama's name wasn't on the ballot......because.....Obama didn't follow the rules. In other words, established and agreed upon rules are more sacred than a person's wish to vote for Obama.

I am I reading Clinton supporters correct? Is that how they feel?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:08 PM
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1. Not only that...there were 30,000 write in votes and they don't
want to give Obama credit for ballots that have his name on it!
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:10 PM
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2. What Clinton supporters?
The ones here? The ones in the DNC? Who and where? Are you asking a few DUers to speak for all Clinton supporters?

Who said the things you are asking? Can you clarify?
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:16 PM
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4. Clarity?
What Clinton supporters? Ok....The Clinton supporters you see all over the news acting like children over the decision made today concerning Michigan's delegates and the ones here who agree with the ones acting like children on the news.

Does that answer your question? :shrug:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:28 PM
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6. Yes. Your OP may have been muddled, but
it was flamebait after all.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:12 PM
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3. Not sure what others think but this was the decision as I understand it:
Edited on Sat May-31-08 08:14 PM by featherman
The vote that took place in January was null and void as a delegate selection plan.

The Michigan Dems wished to attend the convention and so...

They offered an ALTERNATIVE delegate selection plan that was accepted as valid if a bit unusual by the RBC today by vote.

Therefore that is the accepted plan and those delegates are now credentialed.

The allocation of delegates was created out of whole cloth by negotiation (a mini-convention, if you will) within the Michigan Democratic Party and not related to the invalid vote.

That's my understanding of how this matter was resolved within the rules.




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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:23 PM
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5. Polls showed massive win by Clinton so Obama removes name and campaigns for "uncommitted" - a cheat
on promise to not campaign - a promise all other candidates kept in Mich
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:15 PM
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8. How much credit do we give to Clinton brand name alone without working campaigns?
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:08 PM
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7. As I understand her position, she thought Obama shouldn't be awarded ANY MI delegates
because his name wasn't on the ballot. Rather, the thinks the MI uncommitted delegates should be "up for grabs" and that the campaigns should make all out efforts to woo each of them, rather like super-delegates.

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