Message to Al Gore: Call her. Call her tonight...

[sfam]

It's time. It's time for the only person left in our party who can act as an honest broker to tell Hillary that the party's over. We don't want to hear four more days of this "take it to the convention" crap. It's time. Right now. To end it.

Gore needs to tell Hillary that in no uncertain terms that come Wednesday, he along with a flock of other Supes will be voicing their support for party unity by coalescing around our presumptive nominee. Hillary can choose to get on board or become "persona non grata".

Why tonight? Because Hillary needs a few days to clear up her thoughts. Will Hillary listen to Al? I dunno, but there is nobody else left. She has to hear that it is over. Whether or not she still wants to take her "case" for Michigan to Denver, both the Florida and Michigan delegations already got their proposals accepted. So truly, there is no case in standing up for the voters. There is only Hillary's case for her own nomination.

The outcome is clear - unity in November.

Make the call, Mr. Gore. Make it now.

[bluestateguy]

1. Gore, Carter, Pelosi, Reid, et.al

It's time for the heavy hitters to bring this in for a landing.

[OzarkDem]

3. Pelosi & Reid?

They should be thrown out of office for colluding with the GOP and for their massive failure and corruption in Congress.

Their day will come, our party doesn't need to be infected with the likes of their brand of "leadership".

[bluestateguy]

15. Kind of like when your candidate voted to authorize war in Iraq

so yes, I see what you are saying.

[sfam]

18. No kidding. Talk about colluding with the GOP. Pot...Kettle...Black...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. ...and against the Levin-Reed amendment which no one talks about...especially The Enablers!

[Tatiana]

19. Colluding with the GOP? Do you expect us to take you seriously?

Kyl-Lieberman????????

[scarletwoman]

27. And yet you support a DLCer, the corporatist wing of the Democratic party, the NAFTA globalists.

Yes, there's plenty of corruption and collusion in DC, and the Clintons (*cough* Marc Rich *cough*) have been right there in the thick of it.

The Clintons work for the Ruling Class, just like most of the rest of our DC "leaders". If you're upset over corruption and collusion you ought to thank your lucky stars that at least one status quo power bloc of entrenched special interests (the DLC) is having its malign grip on the Dem party loosened.

The Clintons have been one of the biggest obstacles to returning our party to its FDR, working-people-first roots.

sw

[blonndee]

48. Yep, it's "our party" and if you don't like it anymore, go join the Dixiecrats

and the rest of the neocon f**ks in the repuke party. You don't speak for the party anymore, no matter how much you scream, cry, and insult.

[RNdaSilva]

72. Tuesday...early

[polichick]

2. Doubt she'd take the call - there's no love lost there.

[PretzelWarrior]

4. maybe if he called at 3am she'd answer

[sfam]

5. She'll take the call, but she'll probably be "snippy" about it...

She will listen to him though, because she knows how much weight his voice carries.

[TahitiNut]

32. She only cares about her own 'weight' - she'd tell Al to go pound sand.

She's shit on him for 16 years.

[sfam]

38. She may tell All to pound sand, but she will listen...

Once its clear what will happen on Wednesday, her decision to take it to the convention may shift. She might very well decide, "OK, I've done all the damage they will allow me to this election cycle. Lets give the half-hearted attempt to support Obama and hope for the worst..."

If so, this would still be better than this ridiculous fight at the convention.

[TahitiNut]

58. His better move would probably be publicly endorse Obama on Wednesday.

I heard a rumor that Governor Granholm would be endorsing Obama on Monday ... but can't find any substantiation. Obama's going to be in Oakland County (Michigan) about 3 miles to my north on Monday, at a town hall style meeting. It'd be a marvelous move if she does. It'd blow away the news cycle.

[sfam]

59. Agreed. And he should TELL Hillary that he along with many others will do this...

That's what I'm saying. Gore should tell Hillary that the end is certain, and that she has one last chance to plan her exit.

[AllentownJake]

6. Gore and her

didn't get along when they were in the administration together.

Sorry if this sounds sexist Gore needs to call Bill and let him know what's coming.

[Yael]

34. Not sexist at all.

You are stating that she isn't listening. That isn't a sexist issue, it is a personality fallibility.

[RaleighNCDUer]

68. As if she would listen to Bill? nt

[PretzelWarrior]

7. Intervention time: Bill, Chelsea, Al Gore, Bill Richardson, Madeline Albright

Jimmy Carter, whoever it takes to take her down off the ledge and get this thing settled and over with.

[mod mom]

8. Howard Dean gave a great speech today talking about a phone conversation he had w Al Gore.

It was after his exit in '04 from the presidency and he said he ranted about how the Democratic Party could do this to him.....and after he ranted for several minutes Al gore reminded him it wasn't about him but what is best for the party and the country. This is the conversation President Gore needs to have w Hillary. I only hope it reaches her like it did Gov Dean.

[sfam]

10. That's what prompted this OP...that was by FAR my fav moment of the day...

Great great story. Al Gore ABSOLUTELY needs to do this with Hillary.

[mod mom]

31. Gov Dean apologized for many who had heard it before but I hadn't and I agree with you

it was a great story. :hi:

I only watched the first hour (sick dog and mom duties) and it seems I missed quite a bit. Unfortunately, I am not surprised in the least.

[anonymous171]

9. Doesn't he hate her or something?

[sfam]

12. Gore didn't endorse for just this moment...the time is now. nt

[tiptoe]

73. He resented having to compete with HRC for the President's attention. nt

[Shakespeare]

11. He and Dean are at a big private DNC fundraiser tonight.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall...

[Condem]

13. What is all the Al Gore fascination?

If he ran just a good campaign we wouldn't be in this fix. Fuck him.

[sfam]

16. Um, maybe you didn't get the memo, but he won...and then...

Had it taken from him. If Hillary harbors similar feelings, who better than Al Gore to talk to her? And given Bill Clinton's behavior, we're sort of short on party elder statemen..

But truly, regardless of the quality of his campaign, Gore really has risen above it since then. He has become a world spokesmen, and I for one am proud that he's a Dem.

[Condem]

23. sfam

keep living in THAT world. We just had 8 years of the worst shit in US history. James Buchanan is laughing. All because Al Gore was a fucking dud. Obama can change that.

[sfam]

28. I'm FULLY on board with Obama, but I still love Gore. More than ever now...

Sorry if that bugs you.

[Condem]

33. Not at all, sfam

What I'm saying is, if he ran a slightly above average campaign, he would be handing it off. He did not.

[sfam]

35. Someone is living in the past, but its not me...

Sure he could have run a better campaign, but I don't see how this relates to our situation today. Al Gore has significant stature now - far more than when he was just a VP. Surely even you can see that, regardless whether you agree with this or not.

[Condem]

37. You're right, sfam

After fuckin eight years of George W. Bush this has absolutely NOTHING to do with our situation, today. Al Gore lost to the worst President in our history. I know that stings a little bit. What could have been.

[sfam]

39. Pretty much everyone on this board wonders what could have been...

Such is our fate...this question will be asked 100 years from now.

[Condem]

40. And that is what pisses me off, sfam!

Potential unrealized.

[roguevalley]

50. the election was stolen. he won the damned thing. jeez.

[AlGore-08.com]

65. He started out twenty points behind Smirk and ended up passing him

He was outspent nearly two to one, and the GOP spent millions studying Gore's GOTV operation, which is one of the reasons the GOP won as big as it did in 2002.

That's more than slightly above average.

The biggest problems with Gore's campaign were mostly outside of Gore's control. The electorate totally did not care in 1999 and 2000 - - I was on the ground, talking to people about the election daily. People couldn't be bothered with it, or they honestly thought it made zero difference who held any elective office. The press made up sh*t to paint Gore the biggest liar in history, and many of the current saints of the blogosphere were actively repeating the MSM B.S. (If you don't know that part of the history, I would suggest taking a week or two to read the archives of the Daily Howler). The only place you could find out what was really going on was online (thank you, Al Gore), but it took the Florida Recount to get the left wing of the internet to support Gore - - or organize into anything resembling a political movement. The party itself was divided into Clinton and anti-Clinton camps, Centrists and Leftist camps. Gore wasn't 100% in either camp, so far too many in both camps either actively worked against Gore or sat on their hands, hoping he'd loose so they could wrest control of the party away from him and give it to somebody with ideological purity.

Gore is really an amazing human being. He has devoted his life to public service in ways that very few people have ever done. But he's still only one person. He can't lead if people don't follow.

He could call Hillary Clinton until he's blue in the face. He can't make Hillary Clinton drop out. Hillary Clinton is the only one who can and will decide when/if she drops out of the race.

[Condem]

66. AlGore-08.com

Make up all the excuses you want. He fucking lost. I'm still pissed.

[Patchuli]

43. but I still love Gore

Me too!

[Condem]

46. His influence should be VERY limited, Patchuli. Sorry.

[roguevalley]

49. you really need to get it right about gore. truly you do because

you sound like a tool.

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[Turn CO Blue]

21. Ugh. "Fuck him." Double ugh. n/t

[roguevalley]

45. you need to read more. bush-ohio-lying fucking cheaters Google it.

[Condem]

51. Kerry too, rogue?

Fucking conspiracy theories. Guess what? We lost.

[RaleighNCDUer]

69. The first half of his campaign was run by DLCers.

So we're to be surprised it was a miserable failure?

Then, in the 2nd half, he rejected the DLC, and from then on he go no cooperation from them - including Bill, who was busy pumping up his wife for the senate instead of helping his VP beat Bush.

The DLC has fucked with us for the last time.

[ErinBerin84]

14. heh, the Al Gore call to Hillary would definitely not be pleasant.

Joe Biden needs to step up.

[Faygo Kid]

17. Yes, after today's ugliness, it's time to be clear. She has got to go. Now.

No more bullshit. Her rabid supporters are nuts, that's clear.

Time to end it now, Al. Plus, Bill did you no favors.

[sfam]

20. Great image! Hope you don't mind but I added it to the OP...

Its perfect!

[Faygo Kid]

24. Of course not! It's from Time magazine, by the way.

I sincerely believe Al is going to end this on Monday.

[ladjf]

22. I don't feel that it should be Gore's burden to put a stop to

Sen. Clinton's campaign. When Obama gets the required delegates, the DNC will need to invalidate her
credentials. After that, any active move she makes will be outside the normal mechanisms of the nominating process. In effect, she could be forced to cease and desist all campaigning activities as
an authorized candidate.

[sfam]

26. This would be akin to persona non grata, but lets be honest...

We would FAR prefer a unified party. Gore is the only one left who can broker this.

[ladjf]

30. I don't think you realize how "far around the bend" Mrs. Clinton

has gone. I believe that some very frank and possibly forceful action is going to be required to
get her to butt out.

[sfam]

36. The frank and forceful action will be imposed on all remaining unpledged Supes...

I would be VERY surprised if Pelosi and Reed haven't already told all their unannounced Supes that if they don't make a decision, their ability to get amendments passed will drop significantly. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of the unannounced party regular Supes weren't told in no uncertain terms that future job prospects will dry up if they don't select someone.

So yeah, the end is near. The only question is whether or not we will be united as a party. This is what Gore can hopefully bring.

But who knows, perhaps you're right. She may not exactly be exhibiting good judgment these days...

[ladjf]

62. I don't understand why the Sups are waiting so long anyway.

[rucky]

29. Jesus Christ could come down from the sky

into Hillary's room and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

[MindMatter]

42. Exactly. We don't need Jesus or Al to do this

All we need is for the SDs to come clean now. And they will on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Today was a huge victory for Obama. It eliminated all the remaining issues (other than the 3 contests happening int he next 3 days, When those 3 contests are done, there will be absolutely no reason for a SD to still be on the sidelines.

Let's assume that Obama is over the winning mark (the new and improved goal posts) by, say, 100 delegates a week from now. At that point, it really makes little difference what Hillary does. She will be in the same category as Ravel and Huckabee.

[sfam]

44. It DOES make a difference what Hillary does. Obama will be the nominee but..

We would FAR prefer to have a united party come November. Hillary CAN influence her peeps, whether we like it or not.

[MindMatter]

70. I don't believe she has that many hard core peeps

Of course it is better if she were to act like she wanted to be held in some regard in out Party, but if she doesn't that's her choice. I have zero doubt we can win without her. The best thing she could do is sit down and shut up. It won't help Obama to have either of the Clintons in the news.

[KaptBunnyPants]

41. She wouldn't listen to him.

She's got her inner circle who tell her what she wants to hear. Those are the only opinions that matter to her.

[POAS]

47. Et Tu, Brute!

That will be their reaction, but it is necessary.

Make the call MR. Vice President! Make the call!

[me b zola]

53. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already called her

It has occurred to me that Gore may have called her after NC. It was obvious then that the race was over, that her staying in at that point was disruptive.

I think that Hillary is beyond reason.

[sfam]

55. I'm sure they talked many times, but the message will be different this time...

He will be telling her how this will end. The only question is whether she wants to be part of the solution as she claimed, or whether she will be persona non grata within the party.

[book_worm]

54. It's time that Gore and the other Supers got off the pot and end this farce

[Freddie Stubbs]

56. God forbid those heathens in PR, SD, and MT get a chance to have their voices heard

[sfam]

57. Read the OP. I'm not advocating that Hillary drop out and endorse until..

after the rest of the voting is conducted. I AM saying that Hillary needs a few days to process what will happen, hence the need for Gore to call now.

[asthmaticeog]

60. What a tiresome meme, and meaningless, to boot.

Dodd, Gravel, Edwards, Kucinich et al all have supporters who never got a chance to vote for them. STFU with that bullshit talking point.

[4_Legs_Good]

61. Nah, wait until Tuesday night

Then she and her supporters will have nothing left to whine about, no straws left to grasp at.

Come Wednesday if she doesn't exit gracefully, she'll be getting thrown out.

1/2 week to go.

David

[Buzz Clik]

63. Gore's sphere of influence does not extend to the Clintons,

In fact, there is no sphere of influence that extends to the Clintons. They consistently do what is good for them.

[Condem]

64. Nah, Buzz

Bill won. Al lost. Simple as that.

[Mooney]

67. She wouldn't listen to him.

[RNdaSilva]

71. Tell Hillary?

On Tuesday, precisely at 11 a.m., Jim Clyburn will endorse Barack Obama. Others, in deference, will follow closely behind. And yes, before the South Dakota and Montana votes are counted.

The Pelosi Club: Barack Obama has the majority of pledged delegates...time for the remainder to hop aboard.

Reid for sure will jump ship. Tuesday? Probably not necessary though.

Many SD's between now and Tuesday will already have endorsed Obama.

Tuesday night at the Xcel Energy Center (home of Republican convention), in St. Paul, Minnesota, Barack Obama will be announced as the presumptive candidate of the Democratic Party.

In short, no one will have to tell Hillary anything...it will be a foregone conclusion. Maybe Terry might tell her!?!

Like the Old Soldier, old Clinton's never die, they just fade away.

Why is it taking so long for this to sink in? IT IS OVER! The Party no longer belongs to the Clinton's.

[sfam]

77. I don't disagree with a word you said. That's not my point...

My point is that it is still FAR better for our party if Clinton endorses at that point and works hard to get Obama elected. My point is that Al Gore (and others) should make it clear to Hillary what will happen in the next few days and to ask her to get on board. This gives her time to process this.

[grantcart]

74. and get your but to St Paul on Tuesday

[RoadRage]

75. I agree.. call her.. but wait 'till 3am

It seems to be the best time to catch her! :eyes:

Honestly - at this point I don't even know if Al can convince her to not take this to the convention. Her entire life is based around it.. and she's already going down in flames - why not make a huge crash in Denver? Why pay any respect to the party that didn't nominate her?

I'd love to see it come to an end - but at this point, I've had my hopes up for so long that i'm not sure it will really ever happen.

[mcctatas]

76. ....

:spray: Best reply of the day

:applause:

[iamthebandfanman]

78. the clintons dont respect the gores

trust me.