Hillary lost this nomination on October 11, 2002

[book_worm]

When she voted for the Iraqi War resolution. Kerry survived his vote in 2004 because it was too soon after the war began and we didn't know all we do today. He, like Edwards, eventually apologized for that vote. There are enough democrats and independents who still believe that the war is the paramount issue that without a doubt had Hillary had the political and moral judgement to go against Bush on the war that she probably would be the presumptive Democratic nominee today. Thankfully, Obama, the man who only "had a speech in 2002" was right about the war from day one. That is why he is going to be the party nominee.

[sfam]

1. FULLY agree.

[pompano]

20. Thats what did it for me.....

I was almost 100% positive I wasn't going to vote for Hillary in the Primary.

Where you hit the nail on the head was saying the obvious. Politicians learn at a very early stage of their political careers that admitting you were wrong about something can cost a politician their career in politics, or at the very least a lot of votes.

This is when I came to the conclusion that she was nothing more than just a typical career politician. Others have said they were wrong on the IWR.

That only leaves 3 deductions in Hillary's case. I am not saying she didn't apologize I just have never heard it, or even a half baked lame excuse as far as that goes.
So:
A. She apologized and I didn't hear it or,
B. She believes she made the right decision in believing Bush, a well documented liar or,
C. Votes and elections are more important to her than saying I screwed up on that one.

And no, she is not the only one, plenty of those Congresspersons screwed up on that deal. She is, however the only one right now that signed IWR asking to be President.

Then when she got so nasty during her campaign, flip-flopping, not being real truthful about her opponent, all but endorsing McCain's "wonderful" experience she made herself unelectable as far as this old Democrat is concerned. The most amazing thing for me to understand is how more than just a few people can't see the obvious. Didn't bother her one bit when a lot of people in this Party stood up for her and Bill when the, what seemed like the whole world, was falling back in the 90's. When Obama was being verbally attacked nightly on one news show after another Pastor-gate all that mess...*crickets* is what he got in return.

This election to Hillary was about Hillary. It doesn't take a Mensa graduate to see it either.

But that just my opinion, anyway. We have a nominee now. This Party has to focus on McCain now. It's OUR election to LOOSE.

[Occam Bandage]

2. She could have defused a lot of the left's anger if she had simply apologized.

I still wouldn't have voted for her, though. IWR was a primary-season dealbreaker for me.

[Dr Fate]

7. Yup. And she didnt even have to mean it.

Just a public statement where she PRETENDED to agree with the DEM base would have been seen as positive by many-As opposed to disagreeing with us on purpose to impress "centrists."

[Cha]

15. My own dealbreaker as well.. somehow I

took it personally that these politicians were willing to send our soldiers off to a misbegotten war on Iraq and the hell with the Iraqis who were under the bush bombs.

[Dr Fate]

3. But but but- the iraq war is just a pet issue for Latte Liberals and the nut roots!

People out in the real word like the war- Hillary is inevitable!

[WeDidIt]

4. Absolutely agreed!

Furthermore, she had NOT lost the 2004 nomination on that date. She only lost that nomination the day she decided not to seek it.

Had she run in 2004, she would have been the odds on favorite and she would have won the nomination. Not only that, she would have cleaned Smirk's clock.

[sandnsea]

5. I'd say she lost it on Mar 6, 2003

When she chose to parrot Bush's talking points instead of loudly claim "Mr. President Do Not Rush To War" the way John Kerry did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

[Carolina]

13. exactly

When has she ever fought Bush and his war as vigorously as she has fought for her own power. NEVER.

She didn't even come out against the war until just before this horrendous POTUS bid. Fighter, my ass.

[hulka38]

21. Absolutely, it was much more than just the vote. It was all that hawkish rhetoric

that undermined and drowned out the voices of wisdom. What an epic fuck up this was in every respect. It's kind of amazing to me that the party almost elected her anyway. It's a reminder of the extent to which people still have no idea what's going on.

[Arrowhead2k1]

6. Exactly why I chose him over Hillary since December.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Aye!

[wuushew]

9. She doesn't even try to follow through on her alleged penance for that grave sin

Where is the Byrd-Clinton bill that was to be introduced and voted on by October 2007?


The mistake and crime which was the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was politically acknowledged in 1970. The clock is ticking when the IWR outlives the GoTR come March 2009.

[lligrd]

10. That Did It For Me nt

[lisa58]

11. true

[graywarrior]

12. Absolutely

[Cha]

14. Well, if Karma has her way..

this is exactly what happened. The pendulum swung after years of raygun, bush, clinton, bush and created The Perfect Storm for along came Obama.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. She also lost it when she voted AGAINST the Levin-Reed amendment, refusing to apologize! n/t

[NashVegas]

17. Soooooo ....

By when do you believe Obama will have US troops out of Iraq?

[autorank]

18. As she should have. Fully agree! n/t k*r

[featherman]

19. I never supported or voted for any candidate that voted for the IWR in any

primary in 2004 or 2008.

I was frankly heartsick that I had to support the Kerry/Edwards ticket in the GE because of their terrible cowardice that infamous day. 29 stood up to be counted for peace... those two folded like a broken umbrella.

I worked hard to get them elected, of course, and would have worked for another such IWR supporter like Biden, Dodd, Edwards, or Clinton this year if any of these had been nominated. I am a Democrat.

Thank God I will not have to do so now.

[New Dawn]

22. K&R