Obama Could Have Really Socked Clinton/This Is How Magnanimous He Really Was

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Obama supporters had the votes for a 50/50 split in Michigan. But he decided against it.

Here's the story from MSNBC's "First Read."

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Per multiple sources inside the closed Rules and Bylaws Committee lunch, Obama actually had the votes to get a 50-50 delegate split out of Michigan -- but by just a vote or two.

However, it was decided to go with the 69-59 split to win a larger majority. That measure passed 19-8.

*** UPDATE *** Also, according to those with knowledge of the Michigan agreement, it is fair to claim Clinton the winner of Michigan. But they caution against counting her popular vote in the state



Could you imagine Clinton or her supporters ever conducting themselves in such a manner?

[Botany]

1. Obama always takes the "high road"

[Gore1FL]

2. We'll see just how fast that gets him to Scotland

[Botany]

3. But can you name that road and or Mt. in the picture?

Hint think an old road.


http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/lochlomond.htm

[Gore1FL]

4. I have not got a clue

[Botany]

8. U.S. 40 (alt) I 70 Maryland

Looking East ... I think Washington Mt. about 2 hrs from D.C.

[On the Road]

9. My First Thought Was That it Looked Like Cumberland Gap in Western Maryland

but I looked at the source, so it's no longer a surprise.

[NashVegas]

5. Actually, He Took a Backroad On This One

Five individuals connected to five different campaigns have confirmed -- but only under condition of anonymity -- that the situation that developed in connection with the Michigan ballot is not at all as it appears on the surface. The campaign for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, arguably fearing a poor showing in Michigan, reached out to the others with a desire of leaving New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as the only candidate on the ballot. The hope was that such a move would provide one more political obstacle for the Clinton campaign to overcome in Iowa.

http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1264

Add to that, the radio ad his superdelegate & PAC recipient John Conyers made, telling Michigan voters they could vote for Obama by voting "uncommitted."

Very clever.

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6. If Clinton and her supporters had lived up to their word

and not been "hell-bent" on changing the rules and counting Michigan, it never would have been an obstacle for her.

[FrenchieCat]

7. I just want to know. Will you be leaving DU soon,

or what? I'm just trying to figure out your "hate" level for Sen. Obama...who really has done so little in reference to dogging out Hillary till it ain't even funny.

[Elspeth]

10. Is it hate or just evidence from the Iowan Independent?

You can support your candidate, but you can't do away with news stories by just yelling at people. You might look into that story and see what their sources were. You might find out who the author was and try and trace the information. That would be far more useful than name calling and acting defensive.

[anigbrowl]

11. It's up to the Iowa Independent or some other news outlet to substantiate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

Same schtick with the supposedly incriminating tape and a whole lot of other things. If that story had legs don't you think someone else would have run with it by now, or there would have been a follow up? Only conspiracy theorists insist that single sources must trump everyone else's beliefs. It's a junk story - no names, no real data, just an allegation that it was all cooked up by one campaign, despite the very public evidence of the pledge's language not to 'campaign or participate' in MI and so on.

[Elspeth]

12. Actually, if you are concerned about the story, it makes sense to follow it up

and disprove it.

But my point still stands. Frenchie does a lot of name calling and thinks that substitutes for thought and for support of a candidate. She really needs to use her brain more and her vocabulary of insults much less. She'd get more done. She grew up in fairly affluent circumstances and I expect more of her for the advantages she had.

[bigtree]

13. you couldn't just respond to the poster's point?

EVERYTHING done in this campaign is calculated for its political effect. Obama's campaign has not been immune from participation in all of that.

The article is correct in it's suggestion that Obama's move to take his name off of the ballot in Michigan was politically calculated to appeal to Iowa voters, and an effort to dilute the appearance of his trailing support in the state with the other candidates lumped into that uncommitted vote.

[Elspeth]

14. No, it's not about the logical point

Nor about the evidence (or lack thereof). It's about name calling and chasing people away. It's the schoolyard bully thing: you chase people away and the playground is yours.

[dionysus]

15. "schoolyard bully" is another card you play when you lose...

victimhood much?

[Elspeth]

16. Why, if it's an appropriate description?

Jump to conclusions much? :)

[Elspeth]

17. More

"The belief that this would somehow hurt front-running Clinton in Iowa was icing on an already sweet cake," he said. "The real meal, however, is the good will the move generates not only in Iowa, but in all the states who are playing by the DNC rules and that don't appreciate all of this jumping and chaos."

Candidates who remain on the Michigan ballot are Clinton, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel and (not by his own choosing) Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich. A person close to the Dodd campaign said the push to make Clinton look bad in Iowa and the feeling of being played "like a political pawn" were items discussed by the campaign...."

http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1264

[DesEtoiles]

19. Hillarity signed a pledge not to "participate" - name on ballot is participating

[AzDar]

18. K & R...

:kick: