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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:59 PM
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FL's Decision Was Accepted. Hillary "Reserves the Right to Challenge" MI's Decision.
Her campaign is reserving the right to challenge the MI decision to the Credential's Committee. They are reserving the right to a Convention Floor Fight for 4 Delegates!!! They argue that 4 delegates were taken from Hillary.

She is currently 175.5 Delegates behind Obama, and 241.5 from the Nomination. 4 Delegates is not worth the embarrassment and consequences of a floor fight.

From Hillary's Blog on her site:



Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement:

Today’s results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party’s nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party’s convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.

We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/01/013330
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:59 PM
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1. Superdelegates, work your magic.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:00 PM
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2. 205 are waiting in the wings.
And the floodgates will open.....
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:04 PM
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5. Give it UP, Hillary!
You've fucking lost!

GAWD, is she a deluded (not going to say it). :eyes:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:03 PM
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3. Meh, give her 5 to make her feel better.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:06 PM
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10. I say give her the four more to make her feel better if it's that important to her.
She has to realize that she's still not going to win.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:04 PM
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4. Hillary has no standing to challenge this before the credentials committee
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:04 PM
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7. I agree, and she doesn't have the support to take it past
next week.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:04 PM
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6. Somewhere I read that the clinton campaign lacks standing to appeal
this decision. Only the state delegation that's affected by the decision can appeal it. And AFAIK the MI folks were ok with it.

Anybody else see this interpretation.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:05 PM
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8. That was what grantcart put up.
I think that's right. I think this is just more smoke being blown. They can reserve the right as long as they don't actually do any action on that "right".
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:06 PM
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9. Challenging all MI delegates given to Obama
Obama deserves none of them as he took his name off the ballot. There were 2 other Dems on the ballot besides Clinton - Kucinich and Dodd.

Rules are rules.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:10 PM
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11. It would be challenged to strip Obama's 29.5 Delegates, huh?
You really think they should have seated the delegates at half value, with Obama getting none?

Rules are rules, none should have been seated period. At any rate, I don't think she will appeal. I don't think she is in position to.

And, furthermore. IF she did, and IF they got seated "her way" she'd still lose. She risks humiliation at the Convention. I don't see her doing that.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:22 PM
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12. Yes
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:32 PM
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13. No "delegate selection" votes were cast - fallacious argument & empty threat
Edited on Sat May-31-08 11:40 PM by featherman
The January event was ruled null and void as a delegate selection plan by the DNC who is the authority of this process

Michigan Democratic party today offered up a NEW delegate selection plan as a REPLACEMENT that was accepted by the DNC.

Once the individuals are selected according to the plan approved today, that will be the official Michigan delegation. There is no alternate delegation from Michigan. There is no valid appeal against seating those individuals with the Credentials Committee.

Anything else is just sour grapes & hot air and will go away in a few days.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:40 PM
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14. I think...
Florida should have gotten 75% of the delegates seated since the Republicans were involved in it. And I think Michigan should not have been counted AT ALL because they moved their primary based on their own free will in order to have a bigger impact on the election. It's not a real election when only one of the three major candidates is on the ballot.
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