If Clinton is not the Dem Nomineee... I will:

[mtf80123]

One of my best friends states that "he will vote McClone" if Clinton is not the nominee. I asked "Why not vote Green instead of McClone because Nader represents your thoughts more closely"? Said he hates Republican ideologies, but will vote McClone just to "teach the Dem party a lesson they will never forget". To ensure Obama loses to McClone no matter what the price is to the country an our people so that Hillary has a chance at 2012.

If Clinton is not the Dem Nominee... I will:

[anonymous171]

1. If the pot bangers lose us the election, Hillary is done for (politically)

I and many other disgruntled Obama supporters will make sure of it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

7. I think that sort of statement has an implication that you perhaps don't intend.

And you may wish to edit it.

[anonymous171]

10. Whoops. Thanks for the heads-up.

I edited it.

[Tesha]

97. Ahh -- now I see. (NT)

[Tesha]

96. I'm not sure what you read into that statement, but I know that I, for one, ...

will be looking to see a) how Hillary behaves
during the General Election and in her remaining
time in the Senate and the, if necessary, b) if
Hillary has a challenger in the 2012 Senate
Primary.

And if she's continued to disappoint, I'll be
glad to help support her challenger.

And that's what *I* read into that statement.

Tesha

[emilyg]

55. Are you threatening people?

[anonymous171]

58. No. I'm saying that there will be a lot of angry democrats if McCain is elected

because the pot bangers didn't get their way.

[beac]

83. I wouldn't worry too much, they can't even win this poll for McCain,

much less the GE.

[tekisui]

2. Vote against McCain, or for her, and leave the Democratic Party.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Did your "best" friend mention what they "hated" about Obama so much?

Was it something that he did, or just due to who he is?

[mtf80123]

17. Well...

He is falling for that RW smear campaign thinking Obama is the Antichrist... and all that BS. Plus the fact that Obama is Black.

Very sad and makes me sick to my stomach.

He is a very bright guy too.

Question... How do we get the folks who answered "Grudge Vote for McCain" eliminated from this board?

Seems that if they will not support the Dem Nominee (whom ever that may be), they really should not be here.

[StevieM]

21. The problem is that you need our votes in November and the may be things Obama can do

to win them back. But I doubt he will.

Steve

[SwampG8r]

31. if you are a Democrat

all he has to do is be the nominee
if not vote your "soul"

[StevieM]

50. Unfortunately for Obama life doesn't work that way. Every year there are Democrats and Republicans

who stay home or who vote for the other party. He has to earn every vote.

I can't believe I'm sitting here trying to explain this to you.

Steve

[CaptJasHook]

65. I can't believe you are here at all. You are rehashing the same obvious point you have

been making for the last two weeks.

Duh... we need all the Democratic votes.

Stop threatening everyone and instilling fear. Try a new approach, like encouragement, pitching in, or useful anecdotes as to how to get your support. People are really getting sick of the dozen or so repetitive Hillary supporter Nay-sayers.

[StevieM]

66. Read two posts down...I gave some examples (eom)

[SwampG8r]

68. im only talking to and about you

[weezy2736]

33. What things would he have to do? n/t

[StevieM]

54. For starters he needs to show people respect and stop acting like he is the leader of a

revolution and those of us who aren't with him have not yet let go of the old politics.

He should also retract some of the harsh things he has said about Sen. Clinton, because they reflect not just on her (unfairly IMO) but also on those of us who voted for her "knowing" all these things.

He needs to show some respect to those of us who believe in universal health care, and indicate a willingness to move in our direction.

He needs select a running-mate who somehow offsets his many shortcomings.

He needs to stop acting so arrogant and self-righteous and talking to me like I'm an idiot.

He needs a more substantive plan addressing the forclosure crisis.

This would be a good start. Then we can talk more.

Steve

[IsItJustMe]

104. Good luck with getting some one kiss your ass. I am not sure how that works.

[FrenchieCat]

27. They will be cleared out shortly.....as soon as the Admin here learn how to count

They feel like the "owe" something to DU Clinton supporters...for now.

[Hobarticus]

74. Self-delete...what's the use....eom

[rebel with a cause]

32. push alert and tell the

power that be on this board your concerns. There are some answering here that say just that. I just put them on ignore and do just that...ignore.

[emilyg]

56. Who the hell are you?

[rebel with a cause]

59. someone who is tired of the in fighting

and the nasty remarks. I prefer to ignore them, but when someone says something that is against the rules, then others can push alert if they want. It is up to them. that is who I am. Someone who has learned if the poster is nastier than usual, then I put them on ignore and don't respond. It saves me problems and also problems on the thread/board.

[emilyg]

60. OK. Misunderstood - sorry.

[rebel with a cause]

61. It's okay. n/t

[question everything]

52. It is not your role to "eliminate" anyone from this board

However, if you want to get the folks who selected that option to change their mind - and I am not one of them - at least on this board you can start by being nice to the Clinton supporters.

Stop attacking them, no Hillbot or other offensive names. Stop attacking Hillary herself. Just shut up. You won. Can you now not glee and just let things quiet down?

People who would rather vote for McCain are angry at the attacks on Hillary that, in most cases, had nothing to do with her candidacy but more along Tucker who said that he "crossed his legs" when he heard that she was running. With Randy and others calling her a whore and a bitch.

Read this

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

and you may start to get an understanding.

No, you don't have to try to be nice and reconcile with the Clinton supporters but if not, then you are as guilty as the ones who would not vote for the nominee in losing the elections.

[Hobarticus]

73. 101 posts, and you want people kicked off this board?

Yah got moxie, I like that.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Wow - this one lasted a long time.

[Lost-in-FL]

5. First 2000...

now 2008. Progressives only by name but with the mentality of the 18th century.

[cloudythescribbler]

6. who not whom -- ok i couldn't stop myself

[New Dawn]

8. They're to right-wing to vote for Nader. That leaves them only John McCain.

[anonymous171]

12. What about Barr?

[countmyvote4real]

9. You overlooked my preferred choice of singing and dancing to....

"Ding Dong the Witch is Dead."

The Clintons are contemptible to me.

[Imagevision]

11. When Clinton is not the Dem Nomineee... I will vote for Obama...

[I have all the Power]

13. Support the outstanding Senator Obama...

...Even though I supported Hillary.

[Telly Savalas]

14. I'll vote for McCain

However the lesson I want to teach the Democratic Party is that Americans want a president who supports 100 more years of war and wants to deny reproductive choice. Then maybe they'll move even further to the right. I just hope that this is how they choose to interpret my vote instead of making the assumption that I was bitter because they didn't give full credit to a primary where only one of the candidates was on the ballot.

[Fearless]

18. Wait? You want the Democratic Party to move FURTHER RIGHT?

[nankerphelge]

20. Yeah...

seems like the "lesson" will be lost in the horror of a McCain presidency.

[Lady-Damai]

22. Lmao....n/t

[Fearless]

15. I do not believe in the ends justify the means policy of the Clinton Pack.

Too bad. She had so much potential.

[StevieM]

19. That is the kind of self-righteous, belittling comment that has infuriated so many people

and hurts Obama's chances in November. The point is to denegrade Senator Clinton.

But hey....there is a new coalition. Of course, I have yet to see it outside of caucus states. And I'm not betting on Barack to carry Idaho or North Dakota.

In one year Obama will be an irrelevant Junior Senator trying to live down his humiliating 48 state defeat.

Steve

[Fearless]

29. So...

My point was not to denigrate Senator Clinton. My point was to explain why how I think she is damaging the party. I wasn't asking others to believe me. I was merely stating my opinion. And, I fail to see how trying to convince others to put down the misogynist signs and bullhorns and get with the program is a detriment to Obama's chances in November. As far as I'm concerned the only thing that would damage Obama in November is a retribution vote for McCain. We need to stop this infighting now and get behind the candidate.

[StevieM]

48. Well then I'm sure you will lead the charge in demanding that Sen. Clinton speak in prime time

at the convention so that our party can come together and everyone can feel good.

I am sure you will write to Sen. Obama and ask him to seriously consider a Clinton supporter, like Wes Clark or Maria Cantwell, for his running-mate.

I am sure you will support Sen. Clinton's efforts to include a plank in the Democratic platform about universal health care coverage--not just a theoretical position like Obama/Cooper.

I am sure you will support stripping Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann of their press credentials to the Convention due to their misogynistic comments.

I am sure that if Sen. Clinton campaigns for Obama you will chastise any DU members who condescendingly say: "she has to do this to redeem herself. Obama doesn't really need her--she needs him."

And I have no doubt that in order to win over Clinton voters you will write a post talking about why you were going to vote for Clinton if she had been the nominee.

Steve

[Fearless]

69. I would want Hillary to speak at the convention in a soothing and reparing position

I would not ask for her supporters to be picked as Obama's running mate. It is stupid to do such a thing simply to make people happy. The strongest candidate should get the chance. Partisanship and I are not bedfellows.

The position by Obama is a better plan, not forcing people to take healthcare who don't want it but otherwise giving everyone else who do said care. Those who don't should then be forced to pay some sort of penalty. The idea that Obama is forgeting people is FALSE. Let me repeat that... F A L S E. Those not included are ONLY THOSE WHO OPT OUT. That other dribble is a con-act by angry partisans that I will not precipitate.

I will not strip KO of anything because you aren't happy that he supported Obama before it was cool. I don't know why you don't like Chris Matthews either. But I wouldn't strip him of press credentials either. As to do so (for either of them) based solely on their personal views is A VIOLATION OF FREE SPEECH.

I do not have to chastise DU members. They are themselves and do what they want. Their views and mine are our own individually and I am not the moral police. Further, at this point, Obama does not need Hillary. He will beat McLame even if all radical HRC protesters choose to vote for him for their partisan reasons like "to teach the party a lesson" or "so she can run in 2012" because there are plenty more people who will come to their senses and realize that this is about the PARTY not the INDIVIDUAL. How do I know this will happen? BECAUSE IT ALWAYS HAPPENS. AND: She would need him if she wants a cabinet position. As, she CANNOT WIN.

And, I would have voted for Hillary if she was the nominee. I am a Democrat not a partisan tagging along the coat tails of a cult of personality.

Any other questions? Sob stories or scenarios?

[hendo]

71. I do not trust Hillary

enough to have her speak at the convention. She might use it as a chance to say that she is going to run as a third party candidate.

[Fearless]

72. I'd like to see Kennedy do the key note address.

He deserves it and so do we. In fact, he could just about give the 1980 address over again. It's remarkably relevant even 28 years after it was first delivered.

A link to the speech... http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedkennedy1980dnc.htm

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

16. Be real happy.

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

25. You didn't seriously just call a grown black man a "boy". Tell me you didn't.

There's always a chance to edit, and I recommend you do it.

[rebel with a cause]

34. Put that blankity blank on ignore

If no one can hear them, then that takes away their power. But push alert if you really want to do them in.

[TwilightGardener]

36. I wanted to give him/her a chance before I hit alert--sometimes people

don't realize it can be a racial slur.

[rebel with a cause]

41. No they knew.

It was obvious in how they worded it. I can always tell the difference when it is accidental. ex. He is such a nice boy. said by an older person. and when it is meant. ex. That boy sure won't get my vote. said in anger. ;)

[Imagevision]

28. Obama boy? - Obama boy? WTF! so Xenotime will vote for McBush...!

[frog92969]

37. Xenophobe?

:wtf:

[AlCzervik]

44. Foghorn leghorn called, he said he wants his act back. he also called you a "Lunkhead"

[Starbucks Anarchist]

46. Boy?

:puke:

[otohara]

24. What Lesson Are You Referring To?????

please elaborate

[featherman]

26. Write-in favorite candidate should be a choice (not for me, of course)

[bowens43]

30. What about "Do the dance of joy"?

[Writer]

35. I will write in Doctor Who.

He's 900 years old and a genius. Who better to run America?

[nxylas]

98. He's not a natural born citizen

You'd need a constitutional amendment allowing Gallifreyans to run.

[Yotun]

38. Yeah teach them they should make a mockery of democacy and nominate the candidate who lost!!!

Teach them that undemocatic arguments like the popular vote one, and the 'Michigan and Florifa must be sitted as is' which mock democracy while claiming to actually support it!!!! ( the worst kinf of insult to me )- should be considered as valid. YEAH!!!

[AZBlue]

39. I'm appalled that there are 6 voting for McCain and 2 staying home here on DU.

I think the admins should see who voted that way and TS them for the Republicans that they are.

[DefenseLawyer]

40. What is this IF Hillary is not the nominee stuff? She's NOT the nominee!

Continuing to throw that "IF" possibility out there to the folks in Hillaryland is just cruel at this point.

[mtf80123]

42. Sorry bout that

"Since"

Fixed now.

[AlCzervik]

43. wrong place.

[newmajority]

45. As of right now, I expect 10 pizzas to be delivered soon.

The admins know who voted for McCain on this poll. :evilgrin:

[thewiseguy]

49. Uh Oh

:scared:

[lojasmo]

47. Vote for the presidential ticket.

[Hoof Hearted]

51. Write Hillary in. Period.

[Raine]

53. What lesson is the Democratic party supposed

to learn? I'm clueless. :shrug:

[davidinalameda]

57. I wonder if the admins can tell who those 11 grudge voters are

they need to be banned

[Eurobabe]

63. oh yeah they know.

They will likely all be TS'd in short order.

[Yukari Yakumo]

84. I remember something like this happening a couple months ago.

They all got TS'd.

The mods can see who voted for what option.

[Beacool]

80. Fascism much?

[Eurobabe]

62. I hope the mods are taking notes here

A week from now, it will save some time in housecleaning.

[Hobarticus]

75. Self-delete...eom

[CreekDog]

64. i'm on the same side as "vote for the nominee"

as for the "grudge vote McCain to teach the party a lesson" that should do the trick...teach those soldiers in Iraq to get used to staying there, many, many more years.

[LTR]

67. Where's the "Move to Guyana" option? (nt)

[Fearless]

70. There will actually be a principality of Liberia created called Hilleria...

Or was that Hilarity? I forget.

:rofl:

[goletian]

76. hillary will never, ever be president. ever.

[Elidor]

77. What? No seppuku option?

Some of them would surely choose it, given all the high drama.

[hokies4ever]

78. Move to Hillary's alternate universe where hell has frozen over

[goletian]

79. how pathetic is it that some losers would actually go to the trouble of voting for someone they dont

like, just because they cant accept that they picked a loser. lol.

[GoldieAZ49]

81. wow only 19% not voting for Obama

better than what PEW Research shows. Although not many Hillary supporters come in here anymore.

It will be an election for the history books.

[Seabiscuit]

82. Other: Write Al Gore in.

As a protest against the media, the DNC, and this entire primary season.

I have the luxury of voting my conscience because I live in CA, a true blue state.

[Skittles]

85. with all due respect

your friend sounds really, REALLY fucked up

[Perry Logan]

86. McCain looks preferable to Obama to an amazing number of Democrats.

[Name removed]

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[against all enemies]

90. Probably liars trying to push Hillary on the party. Fucking babies,

"if I don't win, I'm going to take the ball and go home. Waaaaaaaaa"

People will really cut off their nose to spite their face.

[shadowknows69]

87. Do the thirteen scum suckers that voted A want to come forward

So you can be tombstoned as one big bitter bunch of losers?

[Tesha]

89. The Administrators here know how you vote in polls.

Not need for the cowardly thirteen to come forward.
But alerting on this thread might help "seal the deal".

Tesha

[Marrah_G]

91. Here is a little hint: Do a search before posting these polls

There is one almost every day. Many are sick and tired of being asked this over and over.

I no longer vote in these polls. If you want to know the answer, do a damn search.

But then I think you already knew there is a poll on this almost every day. You could not read this forum and NOT know that.

So my conclusion would be that you are just intent on being obnoxious.

[lojasmo]

92. Rejoice. N/T

[TragedyandHope]

93. There are infinitely more important things at stake this year than petty grudges

It was a hard fought battle with unfortunate things said and done on both sides. We have to move past that and remember that we're trying to pull the country up out of the hole Bush and his criminal gang have spent the past 8 years digging.

THE COUNTRY IS IN CRISIS. This Primary race has been a miraculous distraction from all the atrocities committed against this country by our own government.

There is no reason to let the media circus and Rethug operatives steer us into a frenzy of self-immolation. They think we're the same bunch of suckers that let them steal the country for the past 8 years. Let's prove them wrong, instead of letting them play us like a fiddle and working against our own best interests.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

94. how bogus the replies to this poll...there aren't but 8 Clinton supporters on this forum and yet....

you folks are a real piece of work

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Marrah_G]

99. I know right?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. how bogus is this silly poll...there aren't but 8 Clinton supporters on this forum and yet?!?!

what can I say,? I'm from NY, NY so nice I had to say it twice ;)

[IsItJustMe]

100. Bush has his 20 percenters also. Now McCain will have his 20 percenters.

[susankh4]

101. None of the above.

[IsItJustMe]

102. Is your friend old enough to be drafted? I just love it when Karma comes back to bite you in the

ass.

[TommyO]

103. For those who won't vote for the Democratic nominee

opting instead for McCain, you have no place here at Democratic Underground.