Hillary is driving her supporters fucking crazy... she is fully to blame..

[ballsalicious]

when I saw the video of the Hill supporter loosing it tonight... all I could think was how totally fucked up Hillary is for using these good people... this is wrong in so many ways.

[jasmine621]

1. No, you're making us look stupid.

Is this a democracy or not? Are people here in the US not free to fight for what they believe in?

Who named Obama a god of the Dem party and US politics. I am amazed that so many seasoned Dem leaders grovel at the feet of a relative novice whose entry into politics was a seat won in an unopposed race that kept other candidates from running through technical challenges of voter lists with little time for correction. What he did in Chicago was in the same mode as what happend to Gore in FL in 2000. Yet people will criticize Hillary for trying to win using technical tactics. Amazing!

[babylonsister]

2. You're amazing because you make the Dem party look stupid.

You've been here long enough to follow the links and learn about Obama, I know you have! Why haven't you? Why spread lies that have no bearing?
Try reading one of his books! Try looking at his record or platform! Try listening to one of his speeches!
YOU are full of shit, spewing crap and signifying nothing. Prove one thing you've posted, and we'll talk.

[casus belli]

19. *Snap* Dayuum.

I'm glad you're on my side. :P

[babylonsister]

36. I calls them like I sees them! Always have, always will.

I'm glad you're on our side! FTR, I've been an Obama supporter for a very long time, so don't try any finagling with me. :D

[casus belli]

41. I know better than to mess with you.

But you might have a fight on your hands if you try to claim you've been behind Obama longer than I. I knew I'd be voting for this guy in a GE when I saw him speak at the 2004 DNC. Everything I've learned about him since has just been icing on the cake. These are exciting times we live in! You gotta love being part of history in the making - a brand new chapter for our country and the world is waiting on the next page. :)

[Hieronymus]

47. It's pretty well known that Hillary supporters are not well educated, ..

obviously, it goes beyond that.

[Name removed]

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[Mudoria]

74. Judging by many of the posts I've seen here in GD:P

Obama supporters aren't the sharpest tools in the shed either. Just sayin'....

[Labors of Hercules]

77. ah now, be fair, most of us are brilliant.

nice avatar by the way.

[Colobo]

7. Obama has won this nomination. Deal with it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. HA!

As opposed to grovelling at the feet of a carpetbagger who won a Senate seat in a state she had no connection with, running against an extremely weak opponent, on the basis of name recognition and being married to a popular Democratic president?

[scheming daemons]

9. "Who named Obama a god of the Dem party?"

The voters, dear jasmine... the voters.

[amelia]

18. No the stacked caucuses did, dear daemons, ...stacked caucuses

[RoadRage]

23. Ahh.. once again we hear about the "stacked caucuses"

that were perfectly fine until Clinton went ahead and lost them all... then they were foul, right?

Where was Hillary or her supporters decrying these caucuses in January before they took place? That's right.. they were in the same place as all of those opposed to punishing FL & MI until Clinton needed those too.

Don't cry after your candidate loses. Do it before hand to look legitimate, or suck it up and don't do it at all.

[amelia]

32. This was before we knew about the buses and the scare tactics and the call from BO to repugs to be a

Democrat for a day and then go back to your own party

[dansolo]

70. You are confusing your talking points

The Republicans voting were in the primaries, not the caucuses. Oh wait, they were voting for HILLARY, urged on by Rush Limbaugh.

[Irishonly]

63. Bill won caucuses

They liked them before they didn't.

[casus belli]

24. How does a political "neophyte" as some have called him...

have the power to stack caucuses in his favor under the radar of rank and file Democrats with money and influence - like Hillary? There's no stacking here, just results you don't like.

[amelia]

34. It's the money men who propped him for this election and all his rich fat cat friends

[casus belli]

49. Rich, fat-cat friends??? Are you for real?

Obama is BEATING the rich fat-cat political machine of Hillary. Part of Hillary's problem with raising funds was that most of her political donors were wealthy with deep pockets who were limited by the $2300 contribution limits. Obama raised the largest grass-roots organization ever seen in politics and beat the Clinton money machine with MILLIONS of individual donations. THAT is how she lost. The big money couldn't bail her out. And you think that's a BAD thing? Did anyone ask for your Democratic credentials at the door?

[FlaGranny]

67. Money men? Like me and my SS check?

That's rich.

[Shae]

76. This kind of talk might be gospel

over at Hillaryis44, but it isn't swallowed here.

Most of Obama's donations were for about $100.
Hillary went broke because her fat-cat donors were maxed out.

[greguganus]

79. Another Clinton zombie spouting lies. "rich fat cat friends" LMAO. n/t

[scarletwoman]

26. Those caucuses helped Bill Clinton win the nomination in 1992. I didn't hear them complaining then.

Think about it.

[GoesTo11]

58. all candidates try to "stack" caucuses with their supporters

Hillary just failed.

or, if she didn't want or try to get as many of her supporters as possible to go to caucuses, she was an idiot who shouldn't have bothered running.

[shadowknows69]

65. So someone was keeping Clinton supporters away at gunpoint?

She had as good a chance to win any caucus that he did, except she was outplayed in a big way and can't admit that.

[Liberal Veteran]

83. No, no....Obama arranged it so all Clinton supporters had to work that day or....

...set it up so their kids were all involved in important events so they were unable to come. The only people he let show up were those people who could be easily intimidated by Obama supporters who were holding kittens over a pot of boiling oil and threatening to drop one in for each vote cast for Clinton!!!

He's evulllllll!!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

You can't "stack" a caucus. Your address is taken down.

You actually have to LIVE in the precinct your caucus is in to have a vote.

If you are going to allege fraud, at least get your facts straight.

[Arugula Latte]

88. It's always something. You're always VICTIMS of some unfairness.

Obama went in this thing with a disadvantage and came out on top. Hillary just plain blew it, and you people can't seem to get a grip on that fact. Why didn't Hillary protest the Michigan and Florida decisions BEFORE the election? Why didn't she protest the caucuses BEFORE the election?

She thought she had it in the bag, and she was arrogant and overconfident, as were her supporters. Everybody else who supported a different candidate came to grips with it (I was for Edwards originally). Why can't you people?

[jgraz]

93. Well, it IS unfair that their candidate turned out to be such a POS

Hell, I'd be pissed if I were them. Especially if I were stupid enough to contribute to the Mark Penn Enrichment Fund.

[jgraz]

92. Yes, they were stacked against incompetent campaigners

You guys got pwn3d. Deal with it.

[BlueStater]

48. He's no god of mine n/t

[Lerkfish]

61. clinton supporter: the voters are dead to me!

the pledged delegates are dead to me!
the super delegates are dead to me!
the rules committee is dead to me!


the...wait...where is everybody going?

[me b zola]

15. That "novice"

kicked your "experienced" candidate's ass.

The only thing about today that reminded me of 2000 was the "Brooks Brother's rebellion"--the paid shills & staffers attempting to influence public opinion by appearing to be regular people.

Clinton may have wanted to pimp the HBO movie, Recount to make people more sympathetic to her desperate grasp for votes that don't exist, but really it just reminded people of how staged & phony the entire Brooks Bros "protest" was--and subsequently made a correlation to the Clinton campaign.

[amelia]

35. No he didn't and the polls are showing us who is the real candidate and it isn't BO

[me b zola]

44. Good luck with your delusions

The Democratic nominee is Barack Obama. Who are you voting for in the GE?

[amelia]

17. Good post Jasmine621!

[cliffordu]

25. THis is halarious....

"Yet people will criticize Hillary for trying to win using technical tactics."

You mean people didn't let her steal the fucking thing??? Ham fisted tactics by the way.....

Nice!!

Your spew about Obama are the same talking points in the same order on 2 or three other posts here tonight-

Was all that on the conference call this morning???

[pnorman]

39. Yep, fight for what they believe in! No matter the ultimate cost!

n/t

pnorman

[symbolman]

66. I guess witholding sex doesn't work for most of them

as a tactic to get their menfolk to vote Hillary.. Willing to bet they aint got a lot of menfolk to deal with anyway..

At least this one in the pic :)

[Shae]

78. Nice pic. I wonder what her screen name is at DU. nt

[pnorman]

40. "black male!" ... "That's not my America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6206960&mesg_id=6207120

n/t

pnorman

[Asgaya Dihi]

45. WTF is the matter with you?

The reason so many are hostile to Clinton supporters here is exactly the type of thing you just did. If we can't tell the difference between a neocon and a Clinton argument without knowing beforehand which said it then why should we treat them different?

She's the Goddess of peace in the words of her own supporters, but you want to toss out "who made him a God" questions about Obama? Nobody, you all are the cultists as far as I can tell, you're just projecting. He's a relative novice? Must really sting that he kicked the crap out of little ready on day one butt then, doesn't it? And it's not technical tactics that has people up in arms, it's neocon tactics. The technical tricks if they had stood alone would have been nothing, but when used as an excuse to keep this right wing Limbaugh serving neocon tactic using primary going that's another matter.

And WTF IS it that you think he did in Chicago? Wasn't but a month or two ago that Clinton supporters pointed out that SHE had the largest group of supporters at that meeting so they were sure they'd win. Some of those same people voted against her though, didn't they? Might be because she doesn't have a leg to stand on and even those who want to let her down easy and offer her a way out don't understand why she's doing this.

It doesn't get better for her, just worse. She's wrong. No matter if you think she'd be the better candidate or not she lost a month or two ago when the supers started going for Obama by 3 or 4 to 1 and she simply hasn't realized it yet. Those supers were her only chance weeks into this and her own tactics turned them away. They SAID SO and she didn't change a thing. Slow suicide by her own hand and it's been a done deal for a while now.

[CitizenLeft]

73. *high-fivin' you*

Dear God, THANK YOU. :applause:

Unbelievable.

[TahitiNut]

51. No... looking stupid is a do-it-yourself job. Stupid is as stupid does. Here's stupid ...

She's the Poster Girl for the Hillary Campaign

[Patchuli]

52. Maybe those of us who support Obama

do mainly so because HE did not vote for this mess in Iraq. Hillary did. She is not to be trusted. Period.

[Heather MC]

53. Nope not the same at all

Chicago
Obama exercised his right to challenge signatures not votes
If his signatures were not legitimate, he to was subject to the same scrutiny.

Gore wanted to have votes counted, the supreme court ruled against him

How is that the same?
I am so sick of people who try to circumvent the rules, and then try to use the rules in their favor then whine and cry when the rules are used against them.

Fast forward to today, Hillbilly agreed that MI and FL "Wouldn't count for anything"
MI and FL people came out to vote knowing it wouldn't count for anything.
Obama had to win the Nomination without FL and MI in play. Hillary had to do the same thing. Once it was clear to her that she was losing and only when she realized she was losing, she started shouting about FL and MI not being fair. Before Feb 5th she didn't care about those two states.

Then instead of laying the blame on the party leaders in MI and FL she tried her best to make voters think it was Obama's fault, clearly you are one of those that believes that lie.

Now the committee made a decision independent of Obama and you are still trying to blame Obama.
Wow that's tragic
Is it true what they say? Is ignorance really blissful? I wouldn't know I live in the world of facts and information.

[MJJP21]

59. Had it been

Had it been anyone else I think most people would agree with you. However you can bring up the claim of novice in regards to Barack but the fact of the matter is Hillary would be nowhere without Bill. It has been Bill and his powerful friends that not long ago set Hillary up to be the nominee. The media at the time said she had it locked up.
In regards to Hillary what has she done on her own? She is a fighter and no one can deny that but where is the fight she fought for anyone but herself? Where has she fought against the odds for someone or something else and won?
A novice brings inexperience to the table and Hillary a novice as well brings a lot of baggage and bad character as widely demonstrated in this primary. She has acted as a petulant brat , a spoiled teenager. These aren't new character traits for Hillary as we found out the history of her work record regarding Watergate. As a lawyer we found out she was let go while working on one of the most historic issues this nation has faced for lying, and unethical conduct. Her true colors have been shown. As I've said before anyone can lie but when you probably will lie you need to use a different barometer when you judge the qualifications.
Barack could have used any and all of the history of Hillary to slam dunk her at any time and choose not to. He has been gracious and courteous to her at all times and yesterday even though the had 50/50 of the delegates in Michigan he chose to let Hillary win with 60%. Barack is a class act that comes along once in a hundred years.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. no offense, but you are an idiot when it comes to chicago politics

ballot fights are the MAJOR pre-campaign event. Fake candidates are put on the ballot to attack your enemies, fake nominating signature sheets are added to your enemy's pile. Even fake campaign literature is used, especially by machine pols and aldercritters. This is a time honored event. The most important battle in getting on the ballot is NOT getting 20 pages of signatures, but inspecting the opponents' because it is extremely likely that 2-3 are there simply to muck up the race on the orders of the ward committeemen and aldercritters. The fact that you have NO CLUE about the process here shows that that you get your sTalking points from Rush or Harold Ickes, both about as knowledgeable and reputable as a poisonous snake. The same applies to how the Illinois legislature works. taking a pass on the vote, at least in Illinois, does NOT mean you don't support it; it means that it needs more work. Funny how Rush and Harold forgot to mention that.

So, how often do you call into Rush, anyway? or do you just sign on to his e-mail list?

[intaglio]

69. Go Worship

[Beacool]

97. Oh yeah, the "ethical" way to win elections in Chicago.

Manage to have everyone else's petitions thrown out (including that of the sitting office holder) and run unopposed. Once an opportunist weasel, always a weasel.........

[DefenseLawyer]

3. Wrap it up, B!

[Ashy Larry]

54. Word.

[TexasObserver]

64. Wrap it up, B, indeed!!

Classic Chappelle.

[TwilightGardener]

4. I thought it was sad that her supporters among the RBC members

had to put up with the disrespect and disruption--as one member said, "You do a disservice to your candidate when you act like that". And sadder yet that it was at the orchestration of the Hillary campaign. That might be why she had so few friends left at voting time.

[Jersey Devil]

5. IBTL

[Writer]

6. And the folks in Puerto Rico answer: "Callate, buey! Permitanos votar!"

[Colobo]

10. We don't say "Callate, buey". Mexicans do.

[BlooInBloo]

11. ?Como se dice "pwned" en espanol?

[Writer]

13. Como se dice "culo grande" en ingles?

I kid. Really. :)

[Writer]

12. Sorry. Mi esposo es de Mexico.

Y me gusta usar las palabrotas.

[AtomicKitten]

14. That's precisely how the GOP cultivates votes: Crazy shit, chaos, and bullshit.

[amelia]

20. Sounds just like what the BO supporters do exactly

[AtomicKitten]

21. Now who's supporters were acting like fools today on CSPAN???????

[scarletwoman]

29. Yeah, we got it. You're rubber and we're glue, yada yada yada...

[greguganus]

82. you beat me to it! lol n/t

[bhikkhu]

42. Ramping up the crazy, that's this night in a nutshell.

It can't go on for long, at least.

[Rosemary2205]

16. Hillary didn't make anyone crazy

if they are crazy then they came that way to begin with. And there seems to be enough crazy to spread around these days.

[ampad]

22. Yup

I cannot say that woman's crazy rant was Hillys's fault; she was probably nuts from the get go. I can say that after hearing her go off that I am not surprised in her choice of a candidate.

[Rosemary2205]

28. Actually

I'm bettin the batiest in America will line up behind Grandpa demanding Rachel Ray be sent to Gitmo.

[anonymous171]

33. Our crazies will never be as crazy as the freepers.

[TexasLady]

38. and may this sentiment hold forever true....

freepin crazies.. :crazy:

[housewolf]

27. I think so too...

I've tried really, really, really hard to not say anything negative about Hillary or her supporters on this board, but when I think about the disappointment being experienced by her supporters tonight, both those who were in DC and those who weren't, I can't help but think that Hillary herself is a lot responsible for it.

She mis-led her supporters. She reapeated over and over again high-flying slogans like "count every vote" leading her supporters to expect something that was never going to happen. She & Bill knew going into the meeting today that they didn't have the votes to get what they said they wanted. Yet she's continued to excite people and get them on board by appealing to their higher ethical natures "Count every vote!" - who among us doesn't agree with that as a ethical philosophic tenet... yet it meant nothing because it was never going to happen. She talked up a good story about "I'll fight for you" and "I'll fight for it all the way to the convention" - more empty, meaningless politcal slogans that did nothing but pull people in, excite them, get them on board, and cause them to think that something was possible that's not possible. It smacks to me of betrayal.

[truedelphi]

30. Wednesday I sat a friend of mine down in front of my computer

She supports Hillary as she thinks about how good a time America was having in the nineteen nineties.

Anyway, I let her go through all my old emails from the 2004-2005 post-election era. A period of two or three months when voting activists across the country were contacting me to tell me abt stuff that happened.

And stuff that should have happened and didn't. Like how Hillary should have stepped forward and denounced the funny business in Ohio. Barbara Boxer did. Barbara Lee did. But Hillary was no where to be found.

My girlfriend now says "I see Hillary in a different light." She still asks me how Obama can handle the Presidency without having experience etc, but ya know how it is, one step at a time.

I think she'll be seeing that he has the maturity to gain the experience, in addition to all the things that he has done already.

[anonymous171]

31. She made it seem like seating the MI and FL delegates would give her the nomination.

[housewolf]

43. During the break of the procedures this afternoon, CSpan was taking phone calls

One woman called in, a Hillary supporter who started ragging on Obama. The moderator asked her what outcome she wanted out of the proceedings today.

"I want Hillary to come out ahead", is what she said.


Something totally impossible, yet the woman was sincere and seemed to honestly think that it could happen.

:shrug:

[ampad]

81. Yea I heard that woman

She was from Nixa Missouri a town or so away from my hometown. If I had to guess I would say Nixa didn't go for Obama.

[eridani]

37. Funny how Obama is responsible for everything his pastor has ever said

--but Clinton is not responsible for these whackjobs.

[babylonsister]

46. No kidding. And how about McCain and Hagee and Parsley?

This is why Clinton needs to go...away!

[CatnHat]

50. Just like

the stupid "fainting" in Obama's fan club????

[FlaGranny]

68. Hahahaha!

You just made me LOL. Dang all those Obama fainters.

[JVS]

55. It's a real mind-fuck

[polichick]

57. Agreed - it's absolutely SICK to manipulate people that way...

It's not hard to fool those who aren't very educated and are experiencing hardships ~ for politicians and ministers to prey on them is vile, and yet it's practically a tradition in this country.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

62. What Did The Supporter Loosen Exactly? Your Screws?

Cuz ya like definitely got a few that need tightening...

[ballsalicious]

86. she definately tightened my ignore list

[jgraz]

95. OMG -- he spelled something wrong!!! That PROVES Obama is unelectable!!!oneone!!

:eyes:

[nebula]

71. Low information female voters

are Hillary's base, in the same way low information male voters are Bush's base.

people with low education tend to be easily manipulated and exploited by those seeking to take advantage of their ignorance for political gain.

[janx]

72. What video?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

75. For some it's a very short trip.

[Carolina]

80. they are not good people

Hillary could not make GOOD people behave so despicably. It's more like birds of a feather.

[mamalone]

84. I completely agree...

Now I want to emphasize that I do not think that all Hillary supporters are vulnerable, pathetic people, By no means, many, if not most of her folk are strong, intelligent people who have been in her camp for valid reasons.

That said, there is no denying she has taken vulnerable people... people with emotional damage and whipped them up into a frenzy by playing on some of their most virulent triggers. I think her blatant manipulation reveals her narcissism and lust for power, or it just shows maybe her own desperate need for validation. I'm not sure, but it is tragic and almost unforgivable. At some point she will give this whole charade up, and move on. She'll probably attempt to make amends of some sort with the party leaders, just out of sheer self preservation. And in the process she'll dump all these poor folks by the roadside- they won't serve her purpose anymore. It's sad... we should pity these people, and (if you are a praying sort of person) praying for them and that their peace would be somehow restored. I hope that somehow their impotent rage can be transformed into something more productive.

[tabasco]

85. A good leader brings out the best in their people.

Hillary brings out the worst.

[ecstatic]

87. I agree. HRC has a responsibility to be upfront with her supporters

about what has happened in this race, why she is losing, and what her chances are. But even now, she refuses to be honest with them--she's sending her surrogates out to destroy Obama and push her diehard supporters towards McCain.

[grassfed]

89. They're unstable. We need to be cautious when moving them out to pasture.

[spanone]

90. this thing is like a bad funeral that just won't fucking end..

[invictus]

91. K & R

[Hoof Hearted]

94. Says the guy who starts his name with "balls"

yeah.

I take you very seriously.

[ballsalicious]

96. it refers to a comment made by John Stewart, regarding Stephen Colbert's performance at the White..

..House Press Corps dinner a few years back... most Democrats are familiar with this event. John Stewart later called his performance 'Ballsalicious' - you fucking idiot (I added that last part - sorry)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSE_saVX_2A

[dailykoff]

98. That's my impression too.

Harriet Christian seems sane enough, but she's been spun like a frisbee and a little dizzy.

[genna]

100. I thought she was a little racist but then again I might just be a little pregnant

[moondust]

99. You can also blame

the militant misandrists who are behind the phony sexism charges and manipulating unsuspecting women.