I suggest that all Obama supporters pay close attention to the

[jasmine621]

latest news from the folks in Chicago who know how Obama came to win his "unopposed" election there. It was a hard-working, long-time black female that he wiped off the ballot by challenging voter lists...on some very technical grounds (not even hanging chads). 69 names took the other candidate's name off the ballot. Is this anything like what you are accusing Hillary of doing now? It sounds more like FL in 2000.

[cliffordu]

1. Blah de blah de blah blah blah. We got it, on to the next, please.

[anonymous171]

2. Awesome. I hope he finds a way to shove McCain out in a similiar fashion.

It's called verifying signatures. Real people have to sign your petitions.

[thewiseguy]

4. LOL Right on

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

22. lol very good one

maybe he can use the Obama jujitsu on Gramps McInsane.

[lonestarnot]

61. McSame took Abramoff money and alot of it, does that count when McSame does it himself?

[VotesForWomen]

67. i wouldn't be surprised if you did, after all, O's entitled to rule. nt

[mcctatas]

3. You seem stressed out...

here, have a piece of candy :hi:

[WilliamPitt]

5. A long-time black female? What, she was an Asian male until 1974?

[fadedrose]

11. Not too many people are aware of this..

:crazy:

[Kool Kitty]

29. Spoken like a true smart-ass.

Perfect. :yourock:

[amelia]

45. Was it necessary to reply to the OP with this kind of statement? Or is it that, you can't refute it

[question everything]

54. No, if he wants us to win in November

but obviously he wants to continue to alienate Clinton's supporter so that they stay home and we lose and then he can play the victim. Obviously there are many here who are afraid of winning because then they will have to stop whining.

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[Warren Stupidity]

74. necessary? no. exquisite? yes.

[weezy2736]

51. It's really easy to imagine Brian saying that.

Peter would have to be Bush, then.

[AtomicKitten]

6. We are very lucky to have such an intelligent, competent candidate.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

7. Long-time black female?

Do they have expiration dates or something?

[TahitiNut]

53. Yup. Then she can execise her option to become another color, I guess.

:crazy:

[EFerrari]

8. Good. I like a fighter. n/t

[OzarkDem]

9. He's used similar dirty tricks in this campaign

Playing the "race" card

Playing the pseudo "assassination" card :rofl:

Using his surrogates to divide the party and alienate women voters

Using his surrogates to label Clinton supporters as "uneducated, downscale" voters

Lying about his policy positions

Lying for weeks, nay months, claiming he "had enough delegates to win" aka the "Mishun Accomplished" strategy


But having never run in a competitive race against a Republican, he will be ill equipped if he's the nom. He has no fighting instinct when it comes to anyone other than members of his own party.

[EFerrari]

15. He's already wiping the floor with McCain over Iraq.

And he'll have a much easier time going after McWar, too, because there is no intra party conflict to worry about.

[OzarkDem]

19. Not according to the polls

He's still running behind McCain, as he has for the last several months.

[cliffordu]

28. you must be very proud of McCain.....

[cui bono]

30. Based on the pic you posted in my thread I would guess you're looking at the Neo-Nazi poll.

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

25. well....Fail....

[SwampG8r]

31. only 10 days tops and whoosh adios

[JackBeck]

39. And who was Hillary's competition in New York?

"But having never run in a competitive race against a Republican, he will be ill equipped if he's the nom."

Oh, that line is a keeper if there ever was one.

[TahitiNut]

58. Well, you gnawed through that one, huh? Sorry, you ...

[bowens43]

64. are lies really the best you hillary worshipers can do?

you really are getting more and more pathetic every day.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Playing by the rules is the opposite of treating

It doesn't amaze me that you don't get that.

[VotesForWomen]

68. "Playing by the rules.." isn't that what BushCo said in 2000?

[Joe the Revelator]

80. What? No. They said stop they said stop the recounts...which was "cheating""

[Ichingcarpenter]

I heard Obama could have talked about these issues but he didn't

1. They never brought up Marc Rich, but could have.

2. They never smeared Hillary with lies about Vince Foster but could have.

3. They never brought up the millions of dollars in speaking fees that Bill Clinton has earned from Saudi Arabia, but could have.

4. They never brought up Whitewater, but could have.

5. They never brought up Monica Lewinsky, but could have.

6. They never brought up Gennifer Flowers, but could have.

7. They never brought up Kathleen Willey, but could have.

8. They never brought up Mena, Arkansas but could have.

9. (Deleted) I was factually incorrect.

10. They never brought up Hillary's potential ethics problems from the early 1970s while in Washington as a lawyer, but could have.

11. They never brought up Juanita Broderick, but could have.

12. They never brought up Hugh Rodham but could have.

13. They never attacked Chelsea Clinton once, but could have.

14. They never brought up impeachment but could have.

15. They never brought up Sandy Berger and the files in his socks but could have.

16. They never brought up the instance in which, as a young lawyer, Hillary Clinton attacked the credibility of an alleged 12 year old rape victim beyond an ethical standard. But they could have.

17. They never brought up the fact that Democrats saw a 30% decline (from 30 governorships to 21) in the number of state houses controlled from the time the Clinton's came to power to the time they left office. But they could have.

18. They never brought up the Canadaian tycoon Frank Giustra and his ties to the Clintons but could have.

19. They never brought up the Rose Law Firm, but could have.

20. They never brought up Somalia but could have.

21. They never brought up the fact that when the Clintons came to power the Democrats controlled the Senate but that changed just two years later. But they could have.

22. They never brought up Webb Hubbell but could have.

23. They never brought up Doug Coe but could have.

24. They never brought up Bill Clinton's foreign business dealings but could have.

25. They never brought up Tyson chicken but could have.

26. He could have really trounced on Hillary's RFK June remarks but didn't. Instead he chose to give her the benefit of the doubt.

27. They never complained when the Clintons had over 100 party insider delegates endorse them before a single vote was cast in either Iowa or New Hampshire. But they could have.

28. They never made a big deal out of Norman Hsu and tried to unfairly tie him to HIllary the way the Clinton campaign played guilt by association with Tony Rezko. But they could have.

29. They never made a big deal about Peter Paul and his ties to Hillary. But they could have.

30. They never expressed concern over Hillary's problem in getting the votes of "hard-working black Americans." (courtesy, davidkc)

31. They never flip-flopped on the issue of the Michigan and Florida delegates to try to manipulate the issue to their political advantage, or tried to unfairly blame Hillary for the DNC's ruling on the state's delegates. (courtesy, davidkc)

32. They never praised John McCain while at the same time criticizing Hillary Clinton on an issue. (courtesy, davidkc)

33. They never called the Republicans more "progressive" than the Democrats. (courtesy, davidkc)

34. They never accused the media of a "cover up" against Obama. (courtesy, davidkc)

35. They never brought up that Hillary failed the DC Bar Exam. But could have.

36. They never brought up Ron Burkle but could have.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Never commented on Hillary's Bosnian Sniper Whoppers!

Even though it was there ready to be piled upon.

[dsc]

78. sorry but that is totally false

there were two different conference calls, run by his campaign, in which his surrogates discussed that call. One employee of his was fired for what he said it was that bad.

[cliffordu]

33. NICE POST!!

:applause:

[davidinalameda]

37. you forgot Hill's time on the board of directors of Wal-Mart

[billyoc]

12. "long time black female"

Wow, how long WAS she black?

Sell it walking.

[JVS]

65. It's nice to see that some posters don't pidgeonhole based on sex and race, but rather look beyond..

that to the vital record of service to describe a politician. Oh wait, they don't. Bummer.

[Nite Owl]

13. I heard some of this on CNN

earlier. I think they were talking about state laws for getting names on petitions. Nothing unseemly about this at all. Have you ever carried petitions? There are lots of rules to get the names verified correctly and they are checked, many are removed for illegalities. He was well within the law to do this.

[bridgit]

14. CNN's played the piece some couple 3 times since last night...

[Median Democrat]

16. Here's Hillary Response . . .

The question of whether Michigan should receive any delegates was noted by Hillary Clinton in October 2007:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

"Michigan is tentatively slated to send 156 delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention, but national party officials have threatened to take away those delegates if the state persists in holding its primary on Jan. 15.

"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said Thursday during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program, "The Exchange."

[Rosemary2205]

17. Mommy!!! Barack was mean to me!!!! Waaaaa

politics is hell. I don't begrudge Obama that, nor Hillary this. This is the game.

[Jersey Devil]

18. I'm a long time white male myself

At least I was last time I checked.

[cliffordu]

35. You better get a grip on that. Folks might want to know......

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

55. Me too. Do we get a pension? Tenure?

:rofl: I sure wouldn't want to get fired.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. he won it by going by the rules, she lost it by breaking the rules

wow the parallels are amazing!

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. Rules are bad things?

Obama played by the rules. Clinton wants to CHANGE the rules. You sound like an idiot.

[apocalypsehow]

41. I think you're being overly generous to the OP with the verb "sound." n/t.

[AllentownJake]

23. We appreciate your concern

[Indiana_Dem]

24. Sounds like he was playing by the rules to me.

I don't see what the big deal it is to play by the rules you are given?? I don't mean to sound smart about it but I heard CNN talking about this the other, too. I don't understand--if the 69 names weren't valid then isn't it correct to contest it? Challenging voter lists is done all the time and it is also playing by the rules as far as I can see.

I haven't accused Hillary of doing anything. Florida & Michigan had to have the hearings and the decision made because of the rules. It was nothing Hillary was doing. FL & MI couldn't be seated until they went through all of this regardless if the nominee was the only one left running by this point in time or not. I don't see what the big deal was. This is a totally different issue. It just so happens that there are still 2 presidential primary candidates running at the time they were having this hearing. The Obama campaign has always said that FL & MI would be seated eventually through the process.

And if this will be anything like FL2000--the nominee will be determined by delegates, not popular vote. Until the rules change, that is how it will be done as far as I'm aware...as long as we go by the rules. Nobody bothered to change the rules after FL 2000. I wonder why not? Not arguing here but just pondering. Why are we only worrying about this now that it might mean something? I say something should have been done (if there is a disagreement about it) somewhere between 2000 and last year in the DNC--not now! That's crazy!

[mystieus]

34. Yep, he stop others from cheating.

[me b zola]

26. I suggest that all Clinton supporters pay close attention to the

latest news that McCain will stack the courts with a permanent, fifty year Supreme Court that will not only take away woman's rights, but most of the rights of working class people. A McCain presidency will also make war with Iran probable.

[ruby slippers]

32. I hope so. Florida in 2000 was a fiasco. They keep gerrymandering here, too

and he better watch North Jacksonville. (Corinne Brown's area) where the voters were disenfranchised with Al Gore, (remember her in Fahrenheit 911 and that area...it was at the beginning of the movie). And, then this primary, Corinne, an African American Rep., is campaigning for Hillary. Anyway, just saying.....it is an area worth watching. Double whammy as South Jax and surrounding area is also heavily Bush country. But, Duval County did go for Obama in the primary...one of few places that Hillary lost.

[CatnHat]

36. CNN ran the story tonite

Alice Palmer and her husband are Hillary Clinton supporters. Obama and his camp have to nerve to claim they are above "politics" when they stem from the back rooms of the Chicago political machine.

[anonymous171]

38. They are above smearing your opponent as "elitist and out of touch"

They aren't above, nor have they claimed to be, above using political tactics. Obama is a politician after all.

[Indiana_Dem]

43. I saw the IN Dem machine in action during our primary--it was no different

--the whole tide in Indiana was against Obama. Until the rules are changed, you must keep playing by the rules you are dealt. Obama did the best he could in IN with his supporters despite the Clinton lawyers contesting 900 college kids and nuns when they went to vote in South Bend! It's called politics and it is even played when on the same side of the political aisle. Hillary had all the bigshots and even the state chairman of the IN Dem party on her side. Obama still managed to only be shy of somewhere between 11k-14k votes!! It was only by grassroots effort that he did that well. Hillary had all the political power like the chairman, Bayh, ex-governor Kernan, and the rest. It was unbelievable. Even had my own Dem mayor denouncing Obama in our local paper. It has left a very rotten taste and I better not say anymore...

[Colobo]

40. It's over, jasmine.

[emilyg]

44. Katz - it's not over till Nov.

[thewiseguy]

46. What does that mean?

[mcctatas]

48. just quietly back away...

:)

[emilyg]

60. It means that nothing is in the bag

till after Nov. elections.

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[curious one]

42. And the point is?

They say he is unexperienced and now he is a hardcore politician from Chicago. Either way he is better than *, McSame, and Hillary.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

47. What is he better for?

I think he sucks.And he is about all dried up!

[amelia]

49. He is just another dirty politician from Chicago and hope and change are just 2 words to him

[anonymous171]

50. Chicago>Arkansas>Washington DC

[mcctatas]

52. ....

the crazy is deep with some hillbots :crazy:

[WilliamPitt]

62. Another? Like who else? Name one.

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[madrchsod]

59. my wife works with retarded people and many of them

are not as dumb as the poster`s claims about obama.

[bowens43]

63. more bullshit . How fucking pathetic.

Get on the band wagon or go away.

[VotesForWomen]

66. don't you know that the Saint can do no wrong? at least that's what they teach at O-cult boot camp.

[casus belli]

71. Will you be sticking around after the 3rd? n/t

[eridani]

76. The cult boot camp was hissing and booing today n/t

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

72. Yet another turd comes floating to the surface.

Please keep your excrement in check.

[Prophet 451]

73. Too late

Earlier, this might have made some difference. Now, it's like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, been shot and then eaten. It's over.

[Honeycombe8]

75. I'm not hearing charges of illegality or unethical behavior. So...what's the problem?

Those are the charges against Clinton. First, she PLEDGED that WI & FL would not count, that she wouldn't campaign there, and she would not ask that those delegates be seated.

She broke her pledge.

THEN she asked for the false primaries to be counted "as is," when they were not valid primaries. They were little more than straw polls, name recognition polls. Lesser known candidates rely heavily on campaigning to get votes, AS WE ALL KNOW. No one EXCEPT CLINTON had a prayer of getting the most votes in those polls, because of Clinton's fame and name.

You are trying to say that a politician asking for verification of names on a petition is the same as what the Clinton camp has done? You have lost all perspective. So did you candidate.

The better person won. Fairness and democracy won out. Vive la'merica!

[undeterred]

77. Its fine for Hillary to be ruthless and use every means

she can think of to win, but if Obama does it he is a horrible person. Double standard.

I'd be shocked if the Clintons have never challenged petitions. Its standard fare when people are running for office. I know Hillary supporters hate to hear this, but there are rules governing petitions and if the rules are not followed, candidates can be disqualified. You can't just put anything on a petition. That's way candidates are encouraged to get twice as many signatures as they need.

[Lerkfish]

79. your xerox maching is off by a few days, this is an old talking point smear.

move on.