Sure are a lot of suicide runs going on here tonight -

[cliffordu]

maybe 5 folks just hammering away at their freeper talking points, the racism, a little pastorbating, more of the "he's doing that Chicago gangsta" stuff....

I think these folks are either really just upset and will be fine in a few days or they are truly DINO's and will get the concrete chicklet.

I hope they calm down and do what's right for the party...but I don't know....

[anonymous171]

1. Am I the only person whose opinion of Obama went up after

I read about his mastery of bare knuckle Chicago politics?

[cliffordu]

7. Actually, yes....You gotta have mad skeelz and major guts

to play there.....

[TahitiNut]

10. Nope. I saw hard-ball and honest, by-the-book competitiveness.

His Harvard Law professors obviously found a very good mind in him. He doesn't mud wrestle.

[anonymous171]

19. I like how he doesn't play smear politics.

I don't care if he uses the system to his advantage, hell I want him to, but divisive tactics such as wedge issues have become tiresome. I can truly say that as of right now I have no opinion on abortion or gun rights. I really don't care about wedge issues anymore.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. It bodes very well for the GE.

He's played the primary very straight, even somewhat laid back, unwilling to alienate Dems by attacking his Democratic opponants. But his Chicago experience shows he can go on the offensive and deal with bare-knuckle tactics when he has to, as he will in going up against Bushco.

He's not going to be swiftboated.

[cliffordu]

23. Sorry - I wasn't intimating anything perjorative -

Just the skills to get out the vote and the guts to stand the onslaught of the opposition.....

If he wasn't two floors above the norm he never would have survived Chicago, let alone the road for the last what - 18 months??

[VolcanoJen]

22. I love tough Dems. We need more of them.

"Politics ain't beanbag," as they say in Chicago. Good on Obama.

So, I guess I missed a lot of excitement around DU tonight! Are they leaving in droves yet? What's the ETA?

[Hippo_Tron]

33. I knew Obama played hardball politics before this petition story came out

You don't rise to the top in Chicago without throwing a few punches. Those who think that unity means Obama is going to kiss the Republican ass are mistaken. Unity means driving a wedge between the center-right and the far right and tying McGramps to the latter.

[PretzelWarrior]

2. LOL'ing at "concrete chicklet"

[TahitiNut]

3. I smell a lot of pizza baking ... yum!

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

13. YOU, from me. You haven't declared for either candidate, or have you?

I went away, are you still confused?

[TahitiNut]

32. I'm on board with Obama ... with reservations.

My bruised nose can take it if he's on the ballot. That's more than I could say with Hillary. Her campaign has exposed some appalling character deficits, poor money management, and poor choice in staff. Her Senate record has too many serious flaws. So, going into the campaign, she had to do something to WIN me over. She did the opposite. Neither her nor Obama's stances on major policy areas thrills me much at all. I think Obama is a risk ... but a risk I'm gladly willing to take. They're a family I'd love to have in my neighborhood ... as friends. I adore Michelle and the kids. I'd enjoy playing HORSE with Obama in the driveway, chatting about moral dilemmas. He's probably as bright or brighter than Gore.

I continue to be a Kucinich supporter. He's closer to my perspectives than I recall any presidential candidate has ever been. I was willing to go with Edwards - with misgivings about his Senate record. Obama doesn't have too much baggage. I'm hoping he gets in and takes a somewhat more liberal stance. It'd be refreshing as hell after 28 years of corporate ass-kissing. I'd also enjoy watching Malia and Sasha wrap White House staff around their little fingers ... growing up and "keeping it real."

Besides... the attractive chicks are in the Obama Room. :evilgrin:

He's got a Town Hall style campaign event on Monday at noon about 5 miles due north of me, at Troy High School (Oakland County, Michigan). I wish like hell I was in a position to attend. I'd just love to get a first-hand impression and ask questions.

[Muttocracy]

4. I see a lot of Ignored tonight myself. Hard to follow threads! nt

[PretzelWarrior]

12. that's why I don't ignore. I'm already easily confused

it's just as easy for me to recognize a name and say "waaayyy too much trouble to read that post"

[Muttocracy]

26. I'm really bad at remembering names, and some posters on DU have similar names

despite VERY different attitudes.

[pingzing58]

5. What's right for the party is not to let Obama steal the nomination ala Gore v Bush.

[cliffordu]

11. There we go!!

[me b zola]

21. Isn't "ping" a ditto-head thing?

Operation chaos has landed on our shores.

[mcctatas]

14. Are you even paying attention at this point?

there was a committee that decided what to do with MI and Fl, Obama wasn't even freaking there. Furthermore, even if they had followed hillary and howard's completely fucked up proposal, guess what, she still loses. Wake the fuck up!

[PretzelWarrior]

15. thankfully, he's winning it the old fashioned way

by getting more delegates than his daft (and possibly drunk) opponent

[boppers]

16. Yes, the votes, count them.

If you count all the states, Obama won.
If you count all the delegates, Obama won.
If you count the popular vote, including expected popular vote in caucus states, Obama won.

No theft ala Gore v Bush, no gerrymandering out of states because Hillary doesn't like the results, indeed, count it all.

Obama Won.

[pingzing58]

20. MI and Fl? What?

[boppers]

45. Yes, with MI and FL, Obama still has the popular vote.

Hillarymath assumes that Caucus states didn't "vote", and Obama got 0% of the vote in MI.

This is why her advocates are laughed at on television when they bring it up as a talking point.

Thankfully, the rules committee had a more sober assessment.

[pingzing58]

48. He chose not to put his name on the ballot whose fault is that?

[boppers]

56. There's "fault" in that?

Fault is in thinking that only people who voted for Hillary mattered?

Fault is in thinking that "Undecided" votes on that ballot should be trashed?

[VolcanoJen]

24. For the millionth time, stop fucking conflating Florida/Michigan to the 2000 Election.

It's nauseating. You're completely full of it.

I guess the only thing that's "fair" is to coronate Queen Hillary. Would that make you happy? Is that really what you're all after?

[pingzing58]

27. Calm down Jen. I'm just saying "All the way to Denver."

[cliffordu]

30. Nope. Completely over except the rest of the primaries and the

concession speech.

And the Pizzas, of course.....

edit for speling(sic)

[pingzing58]

35. Hey don't poo-poo on my Rican's family votes. They matter, just like all votes should matter.

[EFerrari]

39. No one is counting votes in Denver.

lol

[pingzing58]

43. Awh, man, that's wrong.

[VolcanoJen]

50. Exactly! Denver is a celebration. A proud moment. I can't wait!!

Nice point, sfexpat!!!

[cliffordu]

44. Sure they do. Like I said. After the next couple of primaries are over...

But the contest is won. By Obama. That's all.

[CreekDog]

Denver for what?

:shrug:

[mcctatas]

37. The night life???

Rocky Mountain Oysters????

:shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

49. Maybe to go to a Rockies game?

They're in last place, of course. But you could just drink a frosty Coors, get all crocked and then drive up Pike's Peak or something. :-)

[cliffordu]

51. Mad mountain biking there - I'd love to go for the entire summer...

[pingzing58]

53. Night life in Dever? What? They're frozen popsicles.

[VolcanoJen]

36. Well, good for you.

Who needs this kind of destructive, selfish element in our party, anyway? The Clinton holdouts have become the antithesis of everything we stand for.

I don't think she'll take this thing to Denver, but you're free to be petulant and stand outside and wave signs or something while Obama gives an historic speech on the occassion of his nomination.

[XemaSab]

6. Anyone gotten a pizza delivery?

Anyone due for a pizza delivery?

PM me if someone's about to get it and I'm missing the show. :popcorn:

[cliffordu]

8. Ya, let me know too.....

[Hippo_Tron]

34. I count four major pizza deliveries after Tuesday, maybe five

[XemaSab]

40. Send PM please

:D

[XemaSab]

54. Responded

n/t

[pingzing58]

41. As a University student I remember skiing in the Breckenridge area and eating the best pizza ever

with honey for the edge. I'd like to know what that restaurant's name was. Great memories.

[FightingIrish]

9. Clifford, your posts always remind me I am among friends

Your posts are always straight and to the point. If there was some way to do it, I'd put you in charge of my Ignore list.

[babylonsister]

17. After today, I released about 40 people, and haven't been

disappointed yet. And the night is not young, so that's perhaps why. ;)

[cliffordu]

18. Why, Thank you!!!! I don't have an ignore list.....

But I'm a glutton for punishment......

:patriot:



(Welcome home, Brother)

[VolcanoJen]

25. Amen to that!!

:loveya: I love you guys. :loveya:

[cliffordu]

28. Aw.....

:loveya:

:hug:

Back at ya, kiddo!

[Why Syzygy]

29. There are very very few real Clinton supporters here any more.

I sure wouldn't want to stick around if she was my candidate. I can't take that much abuse.

[pingzing58]

46. You're just being in the words of sponge bob a big fat meanie.

[EFerrari]

31. On my walk tonight, I broke it down for myself into categories.

There are supporters who are feeling disappointment but who are handling it because life is short and there's a lot of more important things to care about; there are True Believers who have an idealized investment in their person and who will need a little more time and consideration when things don't go as they wanted them to go; there are a few really loud people who are not running on all cylinders and that probably has nothing to do with politics, really; there are trolls who are just here to make trouble because they have no life.

That's probably true of any candidate's following.

We'll be okay. Remember that any little bit of drama gets amplified on DU. Because we can. lol :)

[VolcanoJen]

38. Nailed it!

Another awesome post from sfexpat. :-)

[cliffordu]

47. Yep.

[EFerrari]

55. We'll be all right. n/t

[pingzing58]

52. I'm curious that such a veteran of the DU as sfexpat2000 is following this entertaining thread.