What does a grudge vote for McCain or staying home teach our troops in Iraq and their families?

[CreekDog]

any ideas?

[ruby slippers]

1. good point...so if you don't vote for Obama, you are unpatriotic...

and you don't give a darn about our troops. Nice, I like it!

[CreekDog]

3. guilty conscience?

because if it's not your plan, it's not directed at you.

[ruby slippers]

11. HuH? I'm an Obama person, true and blue....I was commenting

and agreeing with you. Perhaps you read it wrong or I didn't state it plainly enough?

I agree, voting for McCain or staying home equates to being unpatriotic.....because we all know we need to CHANGE this country....

[Hobarticus]

14. That sounds familiar...

Not too far from the absurdity that was shoved down our throats a few years back, 'member?

"If you don't support Bush, you support the terrorists."

"If you vote Democratic, you aren't patriotic."

"If I put this magnetic yellow ribbon on my Hummer, that means I love 'Murika."

Relax....this has been an extremely contentious primary, and DU is hardly an accurate barometer of the party as a whole. If people are here on DU, they know what's at stake. They'll come around.

[CreekDog]

15. oh sorry about that, but i didn't mean to suggest lack of patriotism

i meant to suggest that not voting for the nominee may not hurt you, but it might keep our troops in Iraq for a very long time.

i should have explained myself and sorry to jump on you. :hi:

[Hippo_Tron]

4. I don't presume whether other people are patriots or not

But I have serious questions about their commitment to our troops if they aren't voting for Obama.

[babylonsister]

2. It all depends on peoples' priorities. If they are Dems, there are no

grudge votes. That's why he will lose, except with fanatics from both parties.

[pnorman]

5. Here's one such fanatic:

Note: Several days ago, I was idly looking at my 3900 post count, and was wondering if it might hit 4000 by the end of the month. Well, thanks to the current LUNACY here, it hit OVER 4100 before the month was up! I've also been very reluctant to ascribe "sinister" motives to recent members of DU with low vote counts ---- UP TILL NOW. But I'm learning, slow but sure!

pnorman
PS: For the FIRST time ever here, I've used the ALERT function.

[msallied]

6. You think those idiots care?

They're so centered on themselves and what they want that if they were ever thinking about our troops and what was really at stake with this election, they never would have approached the realm of lunacy in which they currently reside.

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. I'm sure sensible people will calm down and compare the difference

Sen. Obama was NOT my first choice either!

I have heard some people say that since Sen. McCain is a liberal or moderate Republican - he really wouldn't be that bad. After all he is against torture, he supported campaign finance reform and he accepts the scientific consensus about global warming.

But let's take a look and compare how different their voting records actually are.

Let's see if Sen. McCain is REALLY such a moderate or liberal Republican or a maverick:

All figures are interest group ratings from 2007, except when those figures were not available, in such cases I will post the ratings from 2006 or 2005-2006:

The link for Sen. McCain's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53270&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=12

The link for Sen. Obama's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=9490

Abortion Issues

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

Animal Welfare Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 25 percent in 2007.
_________________________________

Civil Rights and Human Rights Issues

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Obama a grade of 80.

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.
______________________________________________________________

2007 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007

2007 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 100 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 33 percent in 2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 33 percent in 2005-2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 89 percent in 2005-2006

2005-2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 33 percent in
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Conservative Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 7 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 80 percent in 2007.
_______________________________________________________________________

Education Issues

2007 National Education Association gave Senator Obama a grade of A.

2997 National Education Association gave Senator McCain a grade of F.
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Senator Obama supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 100 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 0 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

Energy Issues

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Campaign for America's Future 100 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Campaign for America's
Future 17 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.
____________________________________________________________

Environmental Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 67.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 0.
______________________________________________________________

Family and Children Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 60.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 10.
________________________________________________________
(The Family Research Council is an extremely right-wing organization found and lead by Dr. Richard Dobson)

2007 In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Obama a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator McCain a grade of 42.
_______________________________________________________________

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 81 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 0 percent in 2007.
____________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Peace Action 67 percent in 2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 50 percent in 2006
________________________________________________________________


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 83 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 25 percent in 2005-2006
______________________________________________________________________.

Health Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 0 percent in 2007
________________________________________________________________________


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 100 percent in 2005-2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 0 percent in 2005-2006.
__________________________________________________________________


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 100 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 20 percent in 2005-2006.
_____________________________________________________________________

Labor

Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 0 percent in 2007.
______________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 8 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

Liberal

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 10 percent in 2007.
_________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score 95.5 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy 40 percent in 2007

Veterans Issues

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 80 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 20 percent in 2006.
________________________________________________________________

2006 In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator Obama a grade of B+.

2006 In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator McCain a grade of D.

[casus belli]

8. LOL - A 100 year penalty for not supporting Clinton.

That'll teach 'em. :sarcasm:

I laugh, but actually this is all so sad. I'm seeing a side of people in this primary that I didn't know existed. Hillary has done a lot for the party, I'll give her props where props are due. But, whether she can leave with any of her legacy left intact remains to be seen.

[kevinmc]

9. That Bush and the Media have done a great job at censoring the public ....

from the war. Bill Moyers and Phil Donahue talked about this. You don't see the devastation so you don't think about it.

[Orsino]

10. That the Democratic Party is third-grade recess, without the organization or empathy.

Failing to vote against McCain is a failure as a human being, IMNSHO.

[Hobarticus]

12. Assuming that all troops & families would vote for Dem nominee?

If they overwhelmingly voted Dem, ie to get the hell out of there, and Dem "grudge" votes put McCain in office, then yes, it's not cool.

But you're right, in principle. I see where you're going with this.

I really think people are just blowing off steam. If people are here on DU, they know what's at stake. Once the nom's in, and people stop the name-calling, then things will settle down.

[datopbanana]

13. That a small percentage of the population doesn't deserve their sacrifices.

[Thrill]

16. No one who supported Clinton, could ever support McCain. He's against everything she fights for