I am more interested in how Democrats vote in Puerto Rico today than how the Rules Committee voted.

[rug]

[cali]

1. it will be interesting. Even more interesting will be how SD and

MT vote on Tuesday. My guess is that Clinton beats Obama by about 15 in PR and loses by about that much in both SD and MT.

[Double T]

2. The people's vote used to matter. I can see the ELITISTS have even.......

canceled that RIGHT and replaced it with their arrogant 'caucus' style for nominations. SDs and DNC hierarchy need to be flushed from our system.

[cali]

3. what are you talking about? Do you know any history at all?

Caucuses have been part of the dem mix for decades and decades.

[casus belli]

6. History and math...not their strong points. n/t

[Double T]

7. All the more REASON to get rid of THEM. Primaries should be EXACTLY LIKE.......

the process for the GE; straight up voting, one person, one vote without peer pressure and the influence of OTHERS. YOU must believe military tribunals are OK.

[ellisonz]

9. "without peer pressure and the influence of OTHERS"

...because nobody ever influences the voter before he votes. I'm looking at you mass media!

[Double T]

17. Not talking about LW and RW MSM or political commercials. Talking about.......

Chicago Politics Style caucuses that immediately influence OTHERS during a MOB MENTALITY 'voting' process.

[ellisonz]

78. You know...

...outside of Nevada where a leaked Clinton campaign memo encouraged supporters to engage in any act up to breaking the law to deliver a Clinton victory. All of the other caucuses have seemed rather orderly. May I dare say, that the anonymity offered by the voting both is much more analogous to the traditional notion that mob's act out because the individuals in the mob think they will "get away" with their actions (see West Virginia). Were you heavily outnumbered at a caucus? You sound traumatized.

[workinclasszero]

67. Low Info Voters (nt)

[Higher Standard]

5. Question

How big was your problem with caucuses prior to this campaign season?

[Double T]

10. The 'caucus process' is the PROBLEM. The Primary process should be exactly like the.........

GE process. Damn good thing the GE isn't decided by caucuses; there is already enough POLITICAL CORRUPTION.

[Higher Standard]

14. That wasn't my question

[TomClash]

13. As if voting machines are accurate

and those types of elections are fair. :wtf:

[dbmk]

25. But counting elections with no campaigning and where people where told it didn't count is all good?

[LiberaI]

4. Why?

Territories cannot vote in November, so why does it really matter?

[rug]

8. The RBC has ended with an unseemly and stupid argument over 4 delegates from Michigan.

The angst over bylaws and the outlandish characterizations on each side is producing stock footage for a GOP infomercial.

If Obama has the nomination won, he had an opportunity to show both leadership and judgment by supporting the award of those 4 delegates to Clinton. He didn't. It's a pissing contest over nothing.

I'd rather see how hundreds of thousands of Democrats vote in this primary.

BTW, many of them will be voting in November from mainland states.

[scheming daemons]

16. "BTW, many of them will be voting in November from mainland states."

This is false. Voters in primaries must vote in the district they are registered, just like in the General Election.


Anyone voting today in Puerto Rico must be a resident of Puerto Rico.... and therefore - unless they move to the mainland and then re-register to vote in time for the November election - cannot vote in November.


The number of citizens of Puerto Rico that will move to the mainland and then re-register to vote in the next 6 months will be incredibly small.

[rug]

19. Thanks for proving my point.

BTW, is the number of Pennsylvanians who move to North Carolina or any other state between the primary and the general as "incredidibly small" or do you believe Puerto Rico is peculiar?

[scheming daemons]

11. Yes.... because PR is a state we MUST have in November if we're going to win....

:eyes:


Why can't Obama close the deal among voters who don't vote in the General Election? He has trouble connecting with non-voting Americans.

[MadBadger]

12. I dont really care about Puerto Rico.

They wont tell me anything about the General Election really.

[rug]

15. The RBC tells you even less.

[MadBadger]

23. The RBC settled the delegates for two states.

That matters a lot more to me than a US territory voting.

[rug]

28. It's not a territory voting, it's Democrats.

[MadBadger]

40. They arent Democrats Voting.

[rug]

46. Puerto Rican voters are not Democrats?

I understand the political party system in Puerto Rico but this is a Democratic primary and they are voting so to say they are not Democrats is :crazy:.

[MadBadger]

49. It is my understanding that anybody can vote in the primary

Its like one big open primary, but this time, the majority is not made up of Democrats.

[rug]

52. Technically, you're correct. Are you in favor of closed primaries?

The local parties dominate. However, you'd be hard-pressed to say they're not more aligned with mainland Democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Puerto_Rico

[MadBadger]

56. I'm in favor of an open primary like my state of NJ that allows Indies to vote, but not repukes

I dont read much into this really because the way PR votes, doesnt tell me much at all about voter trends for the General Election.

[rug]

58. Puerto Rico is as informative as Iowa and Kentucky.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Why? It will make no difference to the outcome.

Obama will be the nominee. The 'popular vote' argument remains completely meaningless, as it is not a useful metric in a mixed primary/caucus system.

[rug]

21. If it makes no difference, why are you responding?

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. To point out that it makes no difference, that's why.

[rug]

24. What is your opinion of leprechauns?

[Spider Jerusalem]

26. That their existence is more likely than Hillary Clinton having a place on the Democratic ticket.

[rug]

27. Perhaps. But more likely than Obama will end the war in 2009 as he has said.

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. You sound bitter.

[rug]

30. You sound like a pompous asshole.

:hi:

[Spider Jerusalem]

31. Unfortunately, the rules forbid my responding to you in the manner you deserve.

[rug]

32. They do. Be thankful for those rules.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. Well, just imagine that I've invited you to perform a physically impossible act, then.

[rug]

38. I would but I understand you've demonstrated it's not physically impossible.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. Good response Spider. They're bitter and trying to get us banned.

Don't take the bait.

[cboy4]

48. LOL

:spray:

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. ....

:nuke:

[rug]

64. .

:grouphug:

[Honeycombe8]

20. Why? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Just a few more days.......

:nuke:

[rug]

36. The OP is about today's primary.

Do you mean to insinuate something else?

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. No. Not at all.

But you seem to be cruising for a fight. You called another DU'er an asshole. I called a Clinton supporter a liar, and the post was deleted, and I received a warning. Just saying......
:nuke:

[rug]

39. As a matter of fact this DUer was definitively called bitter.

I simply said he sounded like a pompous asshole not that he was in fact a pompous asshole.

And if you read this thread instead of reflectively jerk, the snark cruise entered these waters uninvited.

[Spider Jerusalem]

41. Pfft.

To use your own argument: I said you sounded bitter. Not that you in fact are bitter.

[rug]

43. Sorry, I must have confused your post with an Obama statement.

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. Different rules for the Clintonistas. I get it. And so does Hillary's favorite mod..nt

:nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I Rather Be Called An Asshole Than A Liar

A liar is an objective term, an asshole is a subjective one...

It reminds me of the conversations of my youth when we used to debate the difference between a "stoned thing to do" and an "asshole thing to do"...

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Well okay, here goes........ Asshole.

You'll note I didn't call you Liar. :nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Takes One To Know One

SONNED

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. Yeah, but I have a feeling mine smells a lot better than yours.

:nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Have Your Head Up Both Of Them Much ?

SONNED (REPRISE)

on edit- I respectfully suggest you quit while you are behind and not further embarrass yourself...It's clear this repartee is not your forte...

[Tarheel_Dem]

72. Only when Hillary removes hers.

:nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. I Suggest You Share Your Aberrant Fantasies With Your Mom And Dad Or, Perhaps, Therapist, But Not Me

SONNED (REDUX)

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. And I suggest you blow it out your *****!

:nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Your Repartee Grows Weaker With Every Response

I suggest you hone your forensic skills before you engage the grown ups...This is like shooting fish, in a , errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, barrel...

I am going to the gym now...I'll be back in around noon or so to check your response...That gives you three or so hours to craft one...Please don't disappoint me...

Kisses,
DemocratSinceBirth


























































SONNED ( REPRISE X 2)

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. Just responding in kind. And please don't kiss at me, I have no idea

who you are, or where you've been. And more importantly, I have no interest in knowing.:nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. You Had Three Hours To Fashion A Response. You Should Have Used That Time

Now, please use the time wisely...I am starting to feel bad for picking on you...


OPEN MOUTH KISSES,
DemocratSinceBirth







































SONNED (REDUX X 3)

[Maribelle]

42. Viva Hillary. ¡ella puede sí!

[rug]

45. Arriba!

[JimGinPA]

47. If Mrs. Clinton Gets Less Than 85% Today She Loses...

The more delegates Obama gets between now & Tuesday night, the fewer superdelegates are needed to close this out.

[rug]

50. You know, Jim, that same headline has been posted since February.

And with this election, and Tuesday's, she's won exactly half of the final primaries.

[Spider Jerusalem]

51. And Obama still has an absolute MAJORITY of all pledged delegates.

Were there no superdelegates, he would mathematically be the nominee already; as it is, the superdelegates will not overturn the results of the nominating process as represented by delegates awarded through primaries and caucuses.

[rug]

53. Do you have that response saved on a soft key?

[Spider Jerusalem]

55. Do you have a hard time understanding the basic fact that the outcome is already determined?

Do you regard facts like the one I state above to be pesky, and inconvenient? Or even, as Ronald Reagan said of facts, 'stupid things'?

[rug]

57. Permit me skepticism since it's been stated continuosly for three months.

Yet he will lose again today by a large margin.

[Spider Jerusalem]

59. There's a profound difference between scepticism and wilful ignorance.

[rug]

60. I've seen it here since Iowa.

[Spider Jerusalem]

66. That's nice.

You know what's different since Iowa? Obama has won a majority of pledged delegates and is currently 65 away from the nomination. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and countless other party leaders have announced their intention to support the winner of the pledged delegate race. That race has been won. What happens in Puerto Rico will not alter the outcome.

[Maribelle]

54. My wish to Hillary ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuc40Ob4l2I

[rug]

63. Nice video Maribelle.

:thumbsup:

[GoesTo11]

69. Watched the video and read the comments.

Hillary's cult of personality in action. All about continuing division in the party.

- You were robbed!

- this party is NOT unified and I have my doubts that it will ever be again.

- Hillary we love you.

-I love you Hillary. Keep fighting!

-Repubs financed obama's campaign, for they knew that McCain could NEVER beat our Hillary.

(our Hillary)


What is this bizarre "I love you" aspect to the Clinton campaign. You aren't supposed to fall in love with a presidential candidate, save that for people you really know. It's like falling in love with a TV character. You vote for a candidate. You support them. You think they would be a good president, fine. But personalizing it so it's all about your friend that you love is - not just foolish, but bizarre.

Explain?

[Hola]

79. Democrats in PR?

There is no party in PR... I'm more interested in how Puerto Ricans vote.