Good Morning, Hillary Clinton supporters!

[Elspeth]

Just a cheery hi and wondering what the word is from Puerto Rico. (BTW, isn't it time the place became a state?)

Hope all is well!

:D

[kid a]

1. MONTANA is ROCKIN for OBAMA !! Heading out to finish canvassing my turf...

Good Morning!
:hi:

Obama will win MT on Tuesday and MT in November!

:toast:

[Elspeth]

Thanks for the cheery hello.

donut?

:donut:

[rodeodance]

40. Did it like the donut offer?

[Elspeth]

54. I always offer donuts and coffee

:donut:

That's how I was raised. :)

[rodeodance]

76. My mom offers coffee and biscuits. --yup. Hospitality does count.

[Elspeth]

79. That's how I see it.

:)

[rodeodance]

202. we are lucky to have smart moms

[Elspeth]

218. Yes, we are

:) My Mom is voting for Hillary.

[cali]

2. Only if they want to be a state, and from what I understand-

they don't.

[Colobo]

26. About 46% of us want to become want.

[BlooInBloo]

31. Indeed. Nobody wants to become want.

:P

[Tatiana]

78. I don't want to be a state, but thanks for the offer.

:hi:

[Lost-in-FL]

82. I don't want to be state either.

And in fact I'm with the 3%.

[Colobo]

100. Puerto Rico, Estado 51. It needs to happen.

[Lost-in-FL]

113. Atrevete a ser libre!

[Elspeth]

192. Seems to be some disagreement on this

Did you all get coffee?

:donut:

[BlooInBloo]

3. I thought they didn't want to pay federal taxes?

Have I gotten confused somewhere?

[Colobo]

28. In a way, yeah.

[Lost-in-FL]

87. They will pay taxes once

they are treated like "actual" US citizens.

[Elspeth]

197. Does that mean statehood or just representation?

?

[rodeodance]

Morning from a Hillary Supporter

[Elspeth]

7. Mornin' rodeodance!

I'm brewing up some coffee. :) You?

[msongs]

4. freedom for all territories. nt

[Lost-in-FL]

12. Amen, n/t

[gabby garcia]

5. they don't

want to become a state that is.

geez.

[juajen]

6. Funny, they don't look like Hillary supporters. Typical rudeness.

Anyway, a cherry Hello back to you.

[Elspeth]

9. A cheery hello, and don't mind the fellow Dems

I have enough donuts for everyone. :)

:donut:

Any plans for today?

[iamthebandfanman]

15. why are you calling puerto ricans rude? n/t

[Elspeth]

18. Funny thing pronouns. I believe you've mistaken the referent.

But have some coffee. :)

:donut:

[SwampG8r]

196. im an obama supporter but

i heard you had free donuts.....

[redstateblues]

8. News Flash- Peurto Ricans don't want their country to be a state

I was there last year and they like it the way it is

[Elspeth]

10. Always useful these news flashes!

Here, have a donut. :)

:donut:

[Lost-in-FL]

11. First the House of Representatives need to get their act together

and write a resolution to include PR as a state (Article IV, Section 3 of the USA Constitution), then PR's vote yes or no. And only if they say yes they can start PAYING TAXES and stop being second class citizens.

[Elspeth]

17. Thank you for the detailed info.

Coffee?

:donut:

[Lost-in-FL]

21. I'm having a Latte, thanks...

:hi: I'll be having brunch soon. Can't wait for my arugula salad.

[Elspeth]

30. Brunch! I'm jealous. :)

I need to get myself a latte. I think I'll walk to the beach and get one at the funky little coffee hut on the way.

[Balderdash]

186. Ummmm brunch.....

.

[Elspeth]

194. Hungry?

:popcorn:

[AllentownJake]

44. They vote no

Every 2-3 years. They don't want to be a state because frankly if PA could be a territory I would be happy with the no income tax as well though lol.

[Elspeth]

55. LOL! Morning Jake.

Coffee?

:donut:

[Lost-in-FL]

58. Status referendums in Puerto Rico since 1952

In 1967, 1991, 1993 and 1998. The 1991 did not count because it was a yes or no vote and did not included Independence or the current commonwealth. It is not about paying taxes but losing their identity as a nation, their culture, their language, et al. They would be losing more than a few bucks if you ask me. In essence, it isn't about money.

[Elspeth]

62. Ah, that makes sense

Morning Lost-in-FL. Donut?

:donut:

[Lost-in-FL]

70. Nah... but thanks.

I'm trying to avoid donut. But I take a "Cafe con leche".

[Elspeth]

72. Oh yum!

Cafe con leche....:)

:hi:

[rodeodance]

13. POLLS close at

3pm ET

[Elspeth]

35. About 4 hours from now.

:party:

[liberaldem4ever]

14. Good Morning Elspeth

Not a Hillary supporter, but wanted to say to hi to you anyway. :)

[Elspeth]

16. Thanks, liberaldem. :) I'm making coffee.

:donut:

And feel free to take a crumpet. :)

The weather in San Diego is glorious. How is it where you are?

[liberaldem4ever]

37. I'm drinking drip coffee in Everett, WA

I wish it was a latte, but I can't afford one right now. It's overcast and rainy, but that's kind of normal. I lived most of my life in North Texas-too hot for me there now. San Diego is so beautiful-you are lucky to live in such a great place.

[Elspeth]

41. I hope it's nice and hot.

I really lucked out living in San Diego, but I have family here. :) Otherwise I could never afford it. But overcast and rainy can be very romantic, yes? You can curl up with a hot coffee and good mystery?

[liberaldem4ever]

61. I love the rainy cool weather here

It is great for drinking coffee and reading a good book-absolutely! Where I come from is so hot and dry-it really makes me appreciate where I live now. I love Seattle-it is an awesome place. My Uncle Frank lived most of his life in San Diego-his house was near the beach-he always loved it so much there. My mother has been there many times and always talked about "Old Town" and a Mexican restaurant there-I can't remember the name but I've seen it on the Food Channel.

[Elspeth]

64. It makes a nice change from hot and dry.

I've never been to Seattle and had, at one point, thought of moving there, but I love the sun too much. What's it like?

I know the restaurant you mean, and I can't think of its name right off the bat either. :(

[liberaldem4ever]

80. Seattle is a great place-I totally rec living there

The only drawbacks are the traffic problems and the expense. Probably not too much different than San Diego prices I would think. If I had the choice though, I would live in San Diego because of the sun and the beaches. That must be so awesome. :)

[Elspeth]

84. Yeah, the sun is amazing

Of course we've hit June gloom right now: the marine layer sticks around a good part of the day and keeps the air temp cool but the sky grey. Still, it's a change. Then July and August come and kick our asses with the heat. But that's where living near the beach is nice. Our microclimate here is cooler and I can walk down to the beach and walk in the water.

[liberaldem4ever]

109. You have a great day Elspeth

I think I'm going to take my coffee and sit and work on a new necklace I'm beading. Enjoy the beautiful day. :hi:

[Elspeth]

114. You too, liberaldem!

Enjoy your jewelry making. :)

:hug:

[ampad]

48. I'm in Mount Vernon Washington

Just moved from San Diego a year and a half ago.

[Elspeth]

52. No kidding.

Did you move for your job?

[ampad]

56. Yes, Military move

I kind of miss the sunshine especially on days like this in Washington.

[Elspeth]

59. Ah. There's a lot of that here.

I'll bet you miss it. What branch of the service are you or your family member in?

[ampad]

69. Navy, we lived in San Diego for five years

I miss it but I also like the greenery of Washington. Have a nice day and congrats on the win in PR. I hope this thread doesn't get nasty.

[Elspeth]

75. Go Navy!

I have relatives that work as civilians for the Navy, so I have a special affinity for that branch of the service. You have a nice day as well. :) I'll do my best to keep it happy.

:hi:

[rodeodance]

19. MY WISH............****

MY WISH





FOR HILLARY TODAY;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuc40Ob4l2I

[Elspeth]

20. Such a lovely thought.

:donut:

[rodeodance]

23. It is a very nice video --

[Balderdash]

49. Damn

that made me cry... Cheers friend. :toast:

[rodeodance]

83. i got very mellow watching it. .......

and cheers back to you.

and welcome---over there also

[Elspeth]

220. She's tired from the damned rally

And I'm worried she's getting a cold.

[Elspeth]

215. You're still tired from the rally yesterday?

:)

[rodeodance]

22. k and REC

[Elspeth]

25. Thanks!

:hug:

How's the weather where you are?

[WeDidIt]

24. Hillary should win PR handily

Adn I beleive that the majority of Ouerto Rico doesn't really want to be a state.

If they decide they want to be a state, they should be, in my humble opinion.

[Elspeth]

27. Well the voice of the people should rule on that one

Being a state would give them better representation, but there are advantages to not paying federal taxes. :)

Coffee?

:donut:

[Lost-in-FL]

45. Do you think it is all about not paying taxes?

I can give you reasons if you are interested on knowing.

[Elspeth]

60. I actually don't know.

There have been several mentions about that on this thread, but I really don't know why. I'd love to find out. Thanks!

[Balderdash]

188. She did!

.

[Elspeth]

193. What were the returns?

Numbers?

[shayes51]

29. Good morning!

Nice to see a positive attitude on this site this morning.

[Elspeth]

33. Glad to see you. I'm serving coffee. :)

:donut:

It's just a beautiful day here. How are things in your neck of the woods?

[Hatchling]

32. Good Morning.

:hi:
Just coffee, please.

[Elspeth]

34. Coffee it is!

:donut:

You can leave to donut and we'll donate it to the homeless shelter near the beach.

[Hatchling]

47. It's still overcast in La Mesa.

I'm looking forward to the sunshine later in the morning.
I need the light because I got out my oils last week and I'm working on a still life. Haven't painted in a long time. It's really relaxing.

[Elspeth]

68. We're overcast down here by the beach, but it feels good. :)

I like La Mesa. You're really close to Lake Murray. If I'm out there, I stop and take a walk around the lake.

[Straight Shooter]

36. Good morning, Elspeth.

A morning hike in the fresh mountain air will do wonders for the spirit. :hi:

[Elspeth]

39. Wow, is that where you live?

That is gorgeous!

:donut:

[Straight Shooter]

51. Close enough to get there easily.

The place where this photo was taken is an astonishing panoramic view; no matter which direction you turn, it's eye candy :)

[Elspeth]

77. It's breathtaking.

I'm sure it is 100x more amazing if you're there.

[Straight Shooter]

91. It is.

Come on over sometime. :hi:

[Elspeth]

181. ...

...

[rodeodance]

42. the pic itself relaxes me. thanks

[Straight Shooter]

66. Bring your horses, we'll go riding on the trail

:D

[rodeodance]

93. that would be my dream--but too far to haul. Thank you for the offer.--and another

wonderful pic.

thanks

[Elspeth]

96. Oh, come on, rodeodance. You should go!

That would be so great!

[Straight Shooter]

102. No problem! Thousands of horses here.

This is horse country. :)

[rodeodance]

111. hey, i have a sister in Salem. If i can swing it -next summer--i will contact you. i will

write it on my calender. this summer is taken up. gosh what a nice offer.

[Straight Shooter]

118. I would love to meet you!

I need a whole year to plan a visit anyway. :7

Edit to add: Gotta run, have a great day!

[rodeodance]

130. catch yah latter.---and thanks

[Elspeth]

180. You should definitely go, Rodeodance

I think you'd really enjoy it.

[liberaldem4ever]

65. That is a beautiful place! Wow.

What state is that? It sure is pretty.

[Straight Shooter]

74. Oregon.

The photo was taken in Nez Perce country, home of Chief Joseph.

I'm glad you liked the pic. :hi:

[Elspeth]

81. What a stunning state!

I can see why people love it.

[Straight Shooter]

85. It is gorgeous, but IMHO all states have their own claim to stunning scenery.

I love eastern Oregon because the people here are kind of, uh .... quirky. Yeah, that's the ticket. :)

[Elspeth]

90. Ok, dish!

Quirky? ;)

[Straight Shooter]

97. Quirky.

I could never fit in where everyone acted ..... normal. :7

[rodeodance]

98. te he

[Elspeth]

99. LOL!!

That's why we get along. :)

:party:

[Straight Shooter]

115. Ain't that the truth, Elspeth.

I've got radar for kindred spirits. B-)

I've got to go, thank you for brightening a Sunday morning for Hillary supporters. :hi:

[Elspeth]

119. You take care, Straight Shooter. :)

:hi:

[rodeodance]

38. Five things to watch in Puerto Rico.....

Five things to watch in Puerto Rico

............

SAN JUAN, P.R. – New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is counting on a big win in today’s Democratic presidential primary, one day after a party ruling left her presidential campaign on the ropes.

A landslide victory would bolster Clinton’s argument to superdelegates that she has received more votes than Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and is better equipped to win important Latino votes in a general election matchup with presumptive Republican nominee John McCain.

Puerto Rico hasn’t seemed particularly excited by all presidential campaign attention it has received in recent weeks but the island, a semi-autonomous territory of the United States, takes its politics seriously. Local elections draw upwards of 80 percent of its 2.3 million registered voters. But the debates – and even the parties – are largely based on disagreements about whether the island should continue as a commonwealth, become a state or an independent nation.

That political engagement has seldom extended to mainland-based campaigns because, while Puerto Rico will send 63 delegates to the Democratic convention, it has no electoral votes in the general election. Democrats have traditionally held presidential caucuses here and were intending to do the same this year until it began to appear the Clinton-Obama race would still be unsettled by the time Puerto Rico’s turn came.

Though many observers are predicting a modest turnout around 500,000 voters today, there’s not a lot of precedent for a contest like this—and that leaves plenty of unknowns.

Here are five things insiders will be watching Sunday:

The second wave of voters Polls are open from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. (Puerto Rico is in the Atlantic Time Zone, but since it does not observe Daylight Savings Time, it’s clocks match East Coast time right now.) ........more..

[Elspeth]

43. Thanks.

I didn't realize Puerto Rico didn't do daylight savings time.

[AllentownJake]

46. Good Morning

Good luck today and enjoy your win!

[Elspeth]

57. Hey Jake, have some coffee!

:donut:

It's a gorgeous day here. What's up with you?

[AllentownJake]

63. Wishing it would get hot enough

for me to use my pool. Last night we had a thunderstorm and it made it colder :-( Hoping it will warm up and I can get in around 3.

[Elspeth]

71. Dang thunderstorms!

Although it can be bad if it gets really hot too. I had a friend in the deep South who had a pool, and in the summer, when the temps and humidity both got above 90, the pool was warm as a bathtub.

[AllentownJake]

89. We only get that hot

for one to two weeks in August thankfully. I just put the pool in October so I'm chomping at the bit to get in lol.

[Elspeth]

92. So this is your first summer using it.

Is it hard to take care of?

[AllentownJake]

104. Not really

Got a good filtration system and the robot does a good job of cleaning it.

Every two days go by with a pool skimmer.

Its salt water so it takes less chlorine and chemicals.

Its much less of a pain in the ass than I thought it would be.

Also cut all the trees in my yard down before putting it in so there aren't that many leaves to fall into it.

[Elspeth]

108. I didn't know you could get a salt water pool.

I'm assuming there are tablets?

[AllentownJake]

116. Actually

Just Salt. I dumped about 4 50 pound bags of Rock Salt into it. Its a little bit more expensive up front but it requires less maintenace and you don't need as many chemicals.

[Elspeth]

121. Ah, my friend just informed me that they use rock salt for snow back East

I didn't realize you could use it in pools. I would imagine it is more environmentally sound than the chemicals.

[AllentownJake]

123. I just did what

the company that put my pool in told me. :shrug:

Yes the water requires less treatment when it goes through the sewage treatment without the chemicals in it.

[Elspeth]

125. That's great.

And it really keeps it sanitary.

[AllentownJake]

126. Gotta watch the little kids when the go in

for sanitation :rofl:

My little cousins could make a mess of it.

[Elspeth]

132. LOL!

Yeah, I can see that. :)

Do you have to drain the pool if that happens?

[AllentownJake]

138. Yeah the filtration system

is the size of a central air conditioning system.

[Elspeth]

141. Jeez!

That must take up a little space. Did you build a patio around the pool?

[AllentownJake]

148. Kind of

Had to put up an 8 foot fence for insurance too. A pool is actually more dangerous than a gun in the house statistically.

[Elspeth]

151. Wow, who knew!

But I guess kids can always fall into a pool. (They can't always open a locked box with a gun in it.) DO you need the fence with any kind of water, like a cement pond or a hot tub?

[AllentownJake]

155. Just a pool

At least in my township. I'm glad for the fence there are some kids in my neighborhood and I don't want any of them sneaking in with no adults around.

[Elspeth]

156. Ah, the party crasher element.

And then you could get sued if one of those little buggers broke his head?

[AllentownJake]

158. Exactly

If there is a locked gate they were trespassing.

[Elspeth]

160. You'd think a property line would be enough for that

But better safe than sued.

I need more coffee. :)

:donut:

[Elspeth]

165. Back.

Mmmm.

[goldcanyonaz]

50. Good morning!

[Elspeth]

88. Good morning!

A little coffee?

:donut:

[Shakespeare]

53. No, it isn't time. Not until we solve the no representation problem with DC.

I lived in DC for several years--let's take care of getting actual U.S. Citizens representation before we talk about adding any more states.

[Lost-in-FL]

67. "Actual" citizens?

So what kind of US citizenship Puerto Ricans have? Is there a different kind?

[Shakespeare]

86. Let me rephrase that.

Sloppy wording on my part, so apologies for that. Yes, people born in Puerto Rico have statutory citizenship under 8 U.S.C. 1402, but must still undergo the naturalization process for constitutionally guaranteed citizenship.

Notwithstanding, Puerto Rico is not a state, nor is it part of the contiguous U.S. U.S. citizens in Washington D.C. have no such barrier to their citizenship, yet are still taxed (which I believe PR citizens are not) and have no representation in Congress. It's a hideous situation, and it needs to be addressed.

Until you've been in a situation where you had serious need to contact a member of congress to advocate on your behalf and literally been hung up on and/or told that no one will listen to you, I don't think you'll fully understand how appalling that lack of representation really is.

[AllentownJake]

94. It sucks

The population of DC is larger than some states. You deserve at least 2 Senators and 1 House Rep.

However the GOP will block it because those are guarenteed democrats and they'll always be able to block it becuase it would require a constitutional amendment.

[Shakespeare]

106. Yep. And in the meantime, congress will continue to use DC as its political plaything.

Most people aren't aware of the way congress (primarily republicans) play around with DC's funding and laws as a purely political tool. The most galling instance of this was when DC overwhelmingly passed a medical marijuana initiative about ten years ago (when I lived there), and Bob Barr moved to effectively block all federal funding for the city unless and until the vote was nullified. It's maddening.

And now this libertarian convert wants to run for president and talk about state's rights? Spare me.

[AllentownJake]

112. We need to talk up Bob Barr

Even though he's an asshat our talking points when talking to repukes have to be.

He's a great GOP congressman and true conservative :rofl:

He shares your values not McCain and a protest vote sends a message to your party :rofl:

Yeah its disgusting that Congress has control over that city and not the citizens.

[Elspeth]

122. Dense, but how could Bob Barr help DC?

?

[AllentownJake]

128. By taking votes away from McCain

and handing the Presidency to the democratic nominee.

[Elspeth]

134. Ah, I get it.

:)

Had to have that second cup of coffee, though.

[AllentownJake]

136. There are democrats giving him money right now

I won't go that far but we have our own "operation chaos" going on.

[Elspeth]

139. I'll bet.

He's actually, in some ways, a stronger nominee than McCain. And he's talking about habeas corpus and the Bill of Rights. Isn't he a conservative libertarian? (I think that's the term, but they keep changing on me.)

[AllentownJake]

142. Alot of the rank and file hate McCain

because of the Reilgious issues and him throwing so many pastors under the bus. In addition the fiscal GOP rank and file aren't happy with Bush's spending habbits and they want to send the party a message.

[Elspeth]

146. And Barr is probably the best choice for the fiscal conservatives

Is he a strict Constitutionalist, like Bork?

[Elspeth]

214. .

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[Elspeth]

221. .

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[Lost-in-FL]

101. It is hard getting representation

that is why I would vote for Puerto Rico to become an Independent nation with full sovereignty. The way it will always be for us is to be a minority within our own state by becoming part of the union.

[Elspeth]

105. I didn't realize you guys were so bereft of representation

That sucks.

[Shakespeare]

107. Totally without representation, but still pay federal taxes.

It is, quite literally, unconstitutional.

[Elspeth]

117. Can you sue the Federal government for that?

I know that sounds horribly naive, but is your recourse?

[Shakespeare]

120. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it's not possible.

I moved away from DC (still get homesick for it though--it's a wonderful place) about 8 years ago. Now Henry Waxman is my congressman, and you can't ask for better representation than that.

I still keep up with DC issues, though. It's really, really unfair.

[Elspeth]

124. So you're in LA now.

That's a big jump. Do you like it?

[Shakespeare]

127. Love it.

One of the most diverse, vibrant cities you'll ever find. :hi:

[Elspeth]

131. There are some dangerous areas though

Are you in the city itself?

[Shakespeare]

135. I live in Hollywood.

So, yep, in the city. It's not as dangerous as the news would lead you to believe (the same was true with DC--I lived in the grand old Capitol Hill neighborhood there). It's mostly a matter of knowing which neighborhoods to avoid because of gang activity, but most of the city is just fine.

[Elspeth]

137. Wow, so your Hollywood icon in your post is for real. :)

There's a lot to walk to around Hollywood, isn't there?

[Shakespeare]

140. Yep. I live ON Hollywood Blvd, a few blocks from the Chinese theatre.

Contrary to legend, lots of downtown and Hollywood are great for walking. We even have a pretty decent subway! I'm leaving in a few to walk down to the Sunday farmers market, in fact.

[Elspeth]

144. I love farmers' markets.

I didn't realize you had one in Hollywood. And I remember going to that theater to watch some movie which I have forgotten. Sometimes, I think the only bad thing about LA is the movie industry. ;)

Well you have a great day. It looks like it's going to be really nice here in SoCal.

[Balderdash]

195. .

.

[Elspeth]

198. ?

?

[Lost-in-FL]

145. Puerto Ricans have what is called...

a "Commisionado Residente" or Resident Commissioner who votes at the Committee level but has no vote in the House.


I don't know why people say that Puerto Ricans do not pay Federal Taxes when in fact my father used to pay both Federal and local taxes. Federal employees or those who do business with the federal government, Soldiers, Puerto Rico-based corporations that intend to send funds to the U.S., etc. also pay federal income taxes. When the cutoff point for income taxation is lower than that of the IRS than Puertoricans pay local taxes only. But of course the income per capita is around the $19,000 so not very many people is in need to pay federal taxes. It is not that they don't want to pay taxes. In the end is convenent for Congress that they don't pay taxes so they don't have to listen to them.

[Elspeth]

149. Thanks

I understand the Federal tax thing now. And, yes, I can see how Congress would feel free to ignore the territory under those circumstances. On the other hand, the island doesn't have as much meddling from the Congress? Is that why they'd rather keep things as they are?

[Lost-in-FL]

157. In part but mostly because...

politics in Puerto Rico are very passionate and passion gets on the way of making decisions for the good of their citizens. Funds are mismanaged by using those funds to bring about more power and influence to a candidate/political party and not for the good of the people. There are two parties that rules government. When one get in power it mismanages funds and then when the other comes around it have to "try" fixing the mess they are in. They are in this cycle right now where they are trying to pay for the corrupt acts of the party that was in power 8 years ago. So there, there's never the finances or the time to change the status cause they are busy fixing the local economy. It is VERY complicated, it is like American politics in steroids.

[Elspeth]

159. That does make things complicated

But in the end, politics is about itself and the people get nothing? Well, not too different from here these days. Politics becomes entertainment and not about getting things done.

[Lost-in-FL]

162. Like they say in PR

"Politics is the national sport". But I would say it is like watching a "Telenovela" were the actors are over-the-top. There are voices of reason but those who aren't, the fundamentalists always manage to take over. Darwinian politics where the strongest (which is normally a bully) will always survive.

[Elspeth]

164. I wonder why that is

Although I really believe that is true in US politics as well. I was reading an old book by P.G. Wodehouse (the guy who wrote the Jeeves the valet series) and one of his humorous books, from about 1905-1910(?) talks about the Irish gangs in New York being hired by a candidate to beat up the supporters of opposition candidate. I think things may have gotten more slick since then, but it's the same Darwinian principle.

[Lost-in-FL]

166. Oh yeah

they still exist to a lesser degree. Not as bad anymore.

There was in the 60's and 70's what was called the "Turbas Republicanas" aka Puerto Rican freepers known to beat up people around the poll areas and help steal elections. They used to work as operatives at the polls and take the boxes with fresh ballots and trash them. Plenty of ballots were found at rivers and dumpters. They also helped suppress the pro-independence movement to the point that today people are still scared of becoming an Independent nation.

[Elspeth]

170. Damn,

It's all the same, isn't it. We're taught to have such faith in our political institutions but they really are just frail things when compared with our genetic inheritance.

[Elspeth]

211. .

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[stillrockin]

73. They don't want to be a state. Educate yourself.

[Elspeth]

95. I will, thanks. Coffee?

:donut:

[rock]

103. Good Morning!

Right back at you!

[Elspeth]

110. Coffee?

:donut:

[rock]

143. Yes, please

:)

[Elspeth]

147. Comin' right up!

:donut:

So how is it where you are?

[rock]

153. Hmmmm

Good to the last drop!

[Elspeth]

154. LoL!!!

I love coffee in the morning! :D

[LiberalAndProud]

129. Good morning, Elspeth.

Stopping in for a donut and to wish you and other Clinton supporters well today. Your hospitality is refreshing and
:yourock:

[Elspeth]

133. Good Moring LiberalAndProud!

And yes, definitely a donut. :)

:donut:

[Doityourself]

150. The inhabitants of PR don't want to be a state...

[Elspeth]

152. Thanks!

Coffee?

:donut:

[OzarkDem]

161. Good morning!

Clinton will do well in PR, she's the only Dem candidate who has strong support from the Hispanic community.

Interesting things in the blogosphere today. I'd post some links, but don't want to encourage the Obama trolls. You know where to look!

[Elspeth]

163. Good morning Ozark Dem!

Coffee?

:donut:

[midnight]

167. Thanks for the Cherry Hello.

[Elspeth]

169. You're welcome!

Coffee?

:donut:

[lachattefolle]

168. Good Morning, Elspeth and to ALL my fellow Hillary supporters!n/t

[Elspeth]

171. Mornin'!

Coffee?

:donut:

[lachattefolle]

172. Sure, as long as you give me a doughnut too!

:)

[Elspeth]

174. You got it!

:donut:

So how is your morning? The sun just came out from behind the marine layer. It's so bright!

[lachattefolle]

176. Well, I spent a relaxing hour or two sitting outside under the

awning watching my koi and reading the paper. Nice relaxing Sunday morning. You too, I hope.:toast:

[Elspeth]

177. Yeah, I'm drinking a nice Peets Coffee blend

And having some whole wheat toast.

After that, I'm heading out into town to run some errands.

[Elspeth]

216. :)

:donut:

[papapi]

173. Maybe you should ask Puerto Ricans why they haven't become a state.

I'm sure they can give you a heads up on that.

[Elspeth]

175. Absolutely. Coffee?

:donut:

[Hatchling]

178. Here comes the sun!

:)
Oh, it's going to be beautiful here today. The forecast is 67 for the beach and 75 for us, inland. Not too hot and a mild breeze.

Could I have another cup of coffee?

[Elspeth]

179. You bet!

:donut:

Whereabouts are you?

[Hatchling]

182. Within a 5 minute bus ride to the La Mesa Farmer's market.

I wish they were open on the weekend. :(

Time for me to turn off the news and the computer and go enjoy this beautiful Sunday.

Thanks for the coffee!

[Elspeth]

183. Sounds like a plan!

Have a great day. :)

[Balderdash]

184. Kickin' it

:hangover:

[Elspeth]

185. You need a new cup.

:donut:

[rodeodance]

189. so do I ---a little honey please in it.

[Elspeth]

191. Always honey here.:)

:donut:

[rodeodance]

201. delicious. THANKY

[Elspeth]

204. You're very welcome!

I wish I had cake. There's not an icon for that. :(

[ileus]

187. good evening....50 states in 2008

[Elspeth]

190. We need a good evening thread, don't we...

:)

:beer:

Beer?

[Elspeth]

199. The Puerto Rico Percentages:

68% - 32%

[rodeodance]

200. its been a pleasant day and a good day for our gal

[Elspeth]

203. Seems so. :)

I took a two-mile walk today. It was just gorgeous. :)

[NYC_SKP]

206. Hey, any donuts left?

"Long time listener, first time caller", thought I'd make my first comment on a this really peaceful thread.

[Elspeth]

208. Donuts on the way...

:donut:

So caller, what say you? :)

[NYC_SKP]

212. coffee, too?

DU GDP has been the most readable, informative, and often entertaining board I've found.
Many of you offer the most thoughtful and well-reasoned posts anywhere, bar none.
Not surprisingly, there has been a bit of tension lately but I'm noticing more and more reconciliation and respect, and that makes me very happy.

Thank you all!

[Elspeth]

213. Well glad to hear it.

I'm running a bit of a coffee bar today, sort of as a relief from some of the rumbling, but you're right. I think it will calm down soon.

Very glad to meet you. :)

[Elspeth]

222. .

.

[Elspeth]

205. I'm hearing that she got the popular vote but MSNBC is reporting not.

I guess time will tell.

[Elspeth]

207. Popular vote accomplished.

hillary 175,715

Obama 82,374

[rodeodance]

209. silly folks they excluded MI==as if the votes didn't count

[Elspeth]

210. Silly, rodeodance...There are no people in Michigan

No people, no votes!

:7 :evilgrin:

[rodeodance]

217. oh that is right --i recall now--the Big Whites in Lake Michigan ate em all

[Elspeth]

219. You have sharks in Lake Michigan??

Hey, we had one here in Solano Beach. Maybe it got lost?
:rofl: