So if it's true that Hillary isn't giving up, then what happens next?

[mamalone]

I'm reading this morning that her behavior in Puerto Rico is signaling that she is still "in it to win it," and that her surrogates are on the teevee calling for this whole thing to extend to the convention in Aug. Pelosi has already said that she wouldn't allow that to happen. I believe Carter has said this needs to end this week. Many other party leaders have indicated similar feelings. SO what happens next? Do we just watch Hillary continue her tantrum, or does someone step in and put a stop to this? If she ignores all the signals and determines to go to convention, what happens then? What would the actual fight in Denver look like?

sigh.... I'm sorry but this is so discouraging. Just when we think, it's finally over we wake up the next day to find that it's not over after all:(

[BeatleBoot]

1. Pelosi said Impeachment Was Off the Table, too

On to the convention.

[AllentownJake]

3. Clinton no longer controls this party

Obama does. Yesterday was proof.

BTW we control the credentials comittee and we control the convention floor.

Good luck with that.

[leftofcool]

6. Obama doesn't control anything until the vote in August

[AllentownJake]

22. Really

What happened yesterday. :-)

Seems like Obama dictated the terms of the settlement.

[mamalone]

8. OK.. so if that's true...

Then what will her "taking it to the convention" look like in real terms? Sorry to be ignorant, but I'm wondering what exactly she intends to do, specifically? Whip all of her supporters up to do some more of what was done yesterday? Go to the credentials committee, even thought she is certain to lose there?

Do you think she has s specific plan at this point?

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Oh, she has specific plans.

For 2012.

[cali]

25. uh, Pelosi said that impeachment was off the table before the election in '06

and she stuck with it- and don't forget hilllykins is opposed to impeachment as well. In any case, Pelosi stuck by her statement, whether one agrees or not. That isn't a good sign for your gal. And if she takes it to the convention, she might as well become an indie like Lieberman. She'll be a pariah in the party her husband led for years.

[LakeSamish706]

2. I think that you will see a flock of SD's will come over to the Obama camp...

early this week. Bottom line is it probably will not be over until the convention because the Pledged and SD's can change their minds up until the convention. That needs to be changed as well IMO... Once you commit, you should have to stay with your choice.

[mamalone]

7. So she will still be fighting then?

She'll still be claiming that everyone could potentially change their minds until the actual vote, so then she still has a chance? So she'll still be free to slam her "opponent" as much as she wants... and do the repubs job for them. Why don't we have the control to control this:(

[LakeSamish706]

11. If my guess is correct she is out to destroy the Democratic party and...

Obama for sure.

[ORDem]

17. Yes. Up to this point I'd been willing to give her some sliver of the benefit of the doubt, but

now it's very clear that her goal is to get McCain elected so that she can run again in '12. Seriously, I'd thought she wasn't 100% the self-serving cynical political whore that she's shown herself to be. Sigh...

[w13rd0]

4. Hillary and her supporters...

...will tell you that it isn't over until a) she says it is over or b) she is the nominee. No other reality, no other outcome, will be accepted by them because they aren't bound to the same rules and expectations as everyone else. Linear time and space does not apply to Hillary. She's got so much gravitas that the very fabric of the cosmos curves around her and bends to her ambitions.

No, it's over. The fight in Denver will look like Hillary and her supporters throwing a tantrum because she is a selfish, short-sighted, deeply irrational woman. She's become Mike Gravel in a pantsuit, throwing a tantrum, making wildly inconsistent statements and accusations, threatening to "take her ball and go home" if she doesn't get her way. She's rapidly becoming the worst of self-parodies.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

13. She will become a laughing stock, much like Ickes yesterday.

At the end, everyone laughed at him.

[Stagecoach]

5. I'm guessing

after Tuesday, Obama becomes the presumptive nominee until it's made official at the convention. He'll probably give Hillary a chance to concede or suspend her campaign this week, and if she doesn't do so, then declare presumptive victory.

[earthside]

9. Numbers Don't Lie

The nomination is a contest for delegates -- this week Obama will have over the number needed to be nominated.

He will be the presumptive nominee. Period.

Any "I'm still in it to win" actions taken by Hillary Clinton(s) after that are ... well ... she will only be making a bigger fool out of herself than she already is.

What is also worth noting is that her hardcore fanatic supporters have already made it clear they are McCain backers -- so old Hill has a choice to make in the next few days: be a Democrat or be a surrogate for John McCain.

Frankly, I think the nut-case Hillary supporters are actually very few in number and are marginalizing themselves with their near religious fervor. June and July and most of August will probably turn out to be a very unifying time for Democrats. Old Hill can either be a part of that or she will be made irrelevant.

[TexasObserver]

10. When you wring a chicken's neck, the body runs around flapping its wings for a while.

She's done, but like that chicken with its head wrung off, her campaign is still running around as if it had somewhere to go.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. We are going to DIsney Land!

[dems_rightnow]

14. The Clinton drones on TV

....haven't been saying they'd take it to convention, not that I've seen. They've also refused to answer the question of whether she'd drop out if faced with mathematical elimination.

Their talking point for today are:

"We reject your very premise that Obama will acquire the required delegates", and

"We're working hard to make sure that doesn't happen"

[mamalone]

15. Ok.. so maybe there is cause for hope then..

They are saying that they won't discuss what will happen if he gets the numbers, not saying they will deny reality when he does. Once he actually gets them, they may act rationally after all... hoping here!

[dems_rightnow]

16. I don't think you can read much into it

They know taking it to the convention would be unpopular, so they wouldn't be that forthright, even if that's their plan.

[scarletwoman]

18. It will be over by the end of the week. There will be a flood of super delegates declaring for Obama

after Tuesday's primaries, according to Donna Brazille on "This Week" this morning. Once Obama has acquired a clear majority of delegates -- which he will do -- the DNC will declare Obama the "presumptive nominee".

If Clinton doesn't want to accept that, then I guess she'll be taking on the role of Democrat Party's Ron Paul. Bear in mind, the Clinton campaign is also hurting financially. Realistically, what can they do?

No one can stop this but Hillary herself. If she won't, she is going to end up a pariah in the Democratic party. I would hope that the party grown-ups would take her aside and show her the error of her ways before that happens.

Peace,
sw

[Stagecoach]

21. Also

I think it would be wise to do so this week, if they have any hope of getting to speak at the convention in August and preserving both Bill & Hillary's legacy.

[stillcool]

19. I think we will find out on Wednesday...

what the Clinton's plan to do.

[papapi]

20. NEWS FLASH: Hillary Clinton claims pigs can fly! Still doesn't earn nomination.

[IsItJustMe]

23. She sadly goes down into the trash bend of history as one of the most bitter divisive politicians,

with the exception of Richard Nixon, that ever lived.

[donheld]

24. The trash bend?