To the Clinton Supporters...

[The Doctor.]

That are making asses out of themselves. (not you rational ones)

Apparently antagonizing Obama supporters is all that is left to you. Jumping into a positive thread about Obama and calling him names isn't any way to ingratiate yourselves or your candidate... especially when you can't back up your baseless charges.

So please, don't whine about Obama supporters 'antagonizing' you and threaten to withold your 'support' just because someone chastised you for being a lunatic on an internet message board.

K?


Rec this if you're as glad as I am there won't be more than a week of this left.

[DevonRex]

1. K&R. nt

[izquierdista]

2. I notice the post immediately after this one

Is yet another Hillbot making an ass of herself.

[The Doctor.]

4. I may have missed it... (everything gets shuffled about)

Was it the 'rallying call' one?

[LWolf]

3. From someone who supports neither,

I would find this constant attack on the supporters of the other side amusing, if it weren't so pathetic.

Why would Obama supporters pretend that the attacks from Clinton supporters are any less frequent, or less juvenile, or less hate-filled, foaming at the mouth depraved, than the attacks from Obama supporters?

Neither camp has the high ground.

[The Doctor.]

5. You're not fooling anyone. You said you will not vote for Obama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5892322#5897506
Oh, I know it's more "complicated", but the bottom line is the same. I put the exchange in full view for that reason.

You've only ever defended Clinton and her supporters here while claiming you 'aren't a Clinton supporter'. Well, I can believe you may not be a Clinton supporter, but you are plainly antagonistic towards Obama and his supporters.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6149180#6153174
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6174065#6180224


Again; You've only ever defended Clinton and her supporters, not the other way around.

Or maybe you could show us where you defended Obama or his supporters?


Edited to add more substantiation.

[Shae]

8. So if he's not a Clinton supporter . . .

and not an Obama supporter, is he a McCain supporter, do you think?
:P

[The Doctor.]

11. Read the link where he promises not to vote for the Democrat on "principle".

That should answer your question.

[LWolf]

9. I don't have to fool anyone.

I'm the DUer, that, 3 months before the opening of the primary season, ran a sig line that announced that if Democratic voters chose to nominate HRC or Obama, then Democratic voters chose to lose my vote in the GE.

It stayed up for 8 months, until I figured I'd made my position clear to any on DU who cared. Sorry that sig lines don't go into the archives.

Since you are wanting to go into the archives today, why not look back to the early primaries? While I told Katzenkavalier (sp?) frequently that I didn't like Obama and wouldn't support him, most of my posts were either supporting a decent candidate, or in opposition to the Clinton crew. At that time, Obama didn't have many supporters at DU. Clinton didn't either, but they were more vocal and more aggressive...then.

It's not really worth my time to spend my Sunday morning delving for you. If you really care about whether or not you post false allegations, look for yourself. I doubt you care. Honesty and campaigning don't mix.

I can remember one or two posts in which I defended Obama from what I considered to be an unwarranted, nasty attack. Find them if you care; I don't. There are plenty of substantial issues to oppose Obama on. A POINT I MADE IN ONE OF THE POSTS YOU LINKED TO, ironically enough.

I did not mention HRC in 2 of the posts you've linked at all, and in the other, I simply said I didn't support her.

Please open your eyes, and your mind. It is possible to oppose Obama, HRC, and, yes, McCain all at the same time.

If I spend more time opposing Obama on DU than I do HRC, that's only logical. There are more people promoting Obama on DU, and he's currently ahead in the primaries. If the situation were reversed, it would be Hillary that took the majority of my criticism.

[The Doctor.]

10. Fail.

Re-read it;

"Or maybe you could show us where you defended Obama or his supporters?"

I posted links to your defense of Clinton and her supporters. You may pretend you're not 'more' on her side, you may even have yourself convinced that you don't prefer one candidate over another, but the record of Obama bashing and Clinton supporting you've displayed on this site is stone-hard proof of your true feelings.

Unless, like I said, "you could show us where you defended Obama or his supporters?".


Unless you can do that, the only one you're fooling is yourself. (and a few morons)

[LWolf]

12. That's right. You failed.

I don't need to "reread" your post.

You asked a question. I pointed out that you are capable of finding the answer, if you choose to do so.

There is nothing defending Clinton or her supporters in the links you posted. NOTHING. There is nothing about Clinton, or her supporters, at all in 2 of them. There is nothing about her supporters, and a simple statement of non-support, in the other.

HAPPILY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR HYSTERICAL RANTINGS, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO JUDGE, NOR ARE YOU IN CHARGE OF JUDGING, MY "FEELINGS."

It's a good thing, too, since your judgment is so faulty you can't even find the right map, let alone the right spot on the map to pin where I stand.

The fact that you cannot accept that a reasoned person could object to Clinton AND Obama, as well as McCain, simply points to limitations in your own thinking, and your own understanding.

[The Doctor.]

16. That's not how it works. Telling someone to prove YOUR claim is failure.

I proved my claims that you defend Clinton and supporters and attack Obama and supporters.

You can't prove otherwise, and then claim that I'm the one who's supposed to prove otherwise?

I'm afraid I'm not the one who's 'hysterical'.

I never said you were necessarily a 'Clinton Supporter', if you chose to comprehend what I wrote, you may have garnered a clue from; "Well, I can believe you may not be a Clinton supporter, but you are plainly antagonistic towards Obama and his supporters."

I'll keep this exchange for the next time I see you pretending to be 'non-biased'.


Oh, and keep up with the all-caps accusations of 'hysteria'... it's hysterical. ;)

[LWolf]

21. I don't think I've ever encountered such deliberate bullshit in my life.

You are the one who claimed that I am something I am not. You provided absolutely zero substantiation for that claim. This is the third time I've pointed that out. The links you provided were not about Clinton at all, except for the link where I stated I didn't support her. Which doesn't exactly bolster your argument, lol.

You also didn't provide a link showing me attacking Obama supporters in any way. You DID link to a post in which I offered substantive reasons to oppose Obama, in answer to the OP's "Is that all you've got?" question. I took that question to be an invitation to offer REAL reasons to oppose Obama, so I did.

Opposing Obama does not equal support for Clinton. You can't twist it to make it so. You can keep claiming it, but, as I already noted, campaigning and honesty don't go together. You just keep offering more evidence for that.

I oppose Obama. I've never pretended otherwise.

I oppose Clinton. I've never pretended otherwise.

It's your own limitations, social, emotional, or intellectual, that don't allow you to see beyond the red herring you keep throwing out; that opposition to one must mean support for the other.

Logical fallacy, and false.

[The Doctor.]

22. Wow.

You telling me about logic really is something.

Your ignorance is also astounding. I have not called you a "Clinton supporter" here, yet you continue to tell yourself that I have. Apparently you cannot reconcile my pointing to your antagonism of Obama supporters and defense of Clinton supporters with that. The construction is in your head. I would ask you to re-read this part; "Well, I can believe you may not be a Clinton supporter, but you are plainly antagonistic towards Obama and his supporters." and explain how you can come up with; "Opposing Obama does not equal support for Clinton. You can't twist it to make it so. You can keep claiming it", but I'm afraid your head would explode in the attempt.

My claim was so very simple; You defend Clinton and her supporters while chastising Obama and his. I didn't say that makes you a Clinton supporter. I gave evidence. You have nothing to prove otherwise.

So instead you resort to bluster.

This has been very entertaining, but as you've demonstrated before (in a post I linked to), getting through to you with reason or logic is an exercise in futility.

Go ahead and bluster some more. I'm done with you here.

[LWolf]

24. Right here:

You may pretend you're not 'more' on her side, you may even have yourself convinced that you don't prefer one candidate over another, but the record of Obama bashing and Clinton supporting you've displayed on this site is stone-hard proof of your true feelings.

I'm glad you are done blustering, and done tossing ignorant assumptions and logical fallacies out willy-nilly.

Antagonistic to Obama? I've certainly never claimed otherwise. To his supporters? Not to most.

Only to those that excuse his every flaw and misrepresent him as something he is not.

Not those that are upfront, honest, and pragmatic about his candidacy. Not even those that I think are basing their vote on the wrong criteria: race and "inspiration," rather than platform and record. I understand that, even if I don't agree.

Antagonistic to those who misrepresent him? Absolutely.

Antagonistic to those who go on the attack against the opposition using the same sleazy tactics they are bashing the opposition for? Absolutely.

Antagonistic to those who are so simple-minded that they can't get past the official talking points, chanting them repeatedly when they don't apply? Yes.

Antagonistic towards those who deliberately use logical fallacies and misleading propaganda to promote him? Absolutely.

[rock]

6. It's a fair cop

I have a big mouth.

[The Doctor.]

7. LOL...

I can't say that my personal level of satisfaction isn't directly proportional to the number of keystrokes per hour either.

[berni_mccoy]

13. Nice response to that other post.

[Darth_Kitten]

14. Poor extreme Obama supporters, such VICTIMS.

Have you read any of the posts from your fellow Obama supporters? Have you? Well?

:eyes:

It's not Hillary supporters who are calling Obama a piece of shit, honey.

[The Doctor.]

17. Thanks for showing up and proving my point!

:hi:

Meanwhile, can you back up your accusations?

Tell you what, when you and your candidate stop lying, people will stop "antagonizing" you for doing so.

Good luck with that, and enjoy the next ten days or so!

[JimGinPA]

15. I'm Glad As Well, But It Will Be 9 Or 10 Days Before It Ends...

7 days after Skinner finally calls it.



:smoke:



K&R

[The Doctor.]

18. I'll be marking that to the MINUTE.

After that, I'll probably just post the number of days, hours, and minutes left until all the dead-enders either have to shape up or ship out in response to the "I'll never vote for HIM!", and "He can never win!!" posts.

It'll be so nice to see the rational Clinton supporters come back into the fold and work with us to bring about the end of Republican bullshit.

After Obama wins the GE, as I've promised, I'll finally go and change my registration.

I'm still not sure if I should go with Dem, Indy, or Libertarian. I'm sure there are some folks around here who can make a good case for one of them. ;)

[Eurobabe]

19. We should get a free name change "get out of jail free"

card when the primaries are over, this is so much more bitter than 2004. :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

20. OMG, that's BRILLIANT!

I've been thinking of requesting another one because I skipped the last one when I could have dropped the bottom slash and capped the 'E'. Somehow I just thought it was supposed to be a 'complete' name change and didn't think of making the adjustment.

If you don't, or aren't planning on, making an OP out of that suggestion, I will.

It's a perfect solution.

Perhaps the week after the 'week of grief' expires would be the right time?

Again, brilliant.

[Eurobabe]

23. goferit, do a poll and get Skinner's attention.

I am off of here for the night. :hi:

This has been way uglier than 2004 EVER was...I know I've made enemies, in spite of my ignore list.