Why does Harold Ickes call Senator Clinton 'Mrs. Clinton'?

[Debi]

Does he call President Clinton 'Mr. Clinton'? x(

[K Gardner]

1. Are you watching this CNN interview? He's ratcheting up the rhetoric worse than he did on MTP.

[spotbird]

3. Keep in mind that they

do not expect her to be the nominee, this is only to help McCain.

[K Gardner]

4. Yes.. the intent clearly is to tear down Obama and help McCain.

[Debi]

5. I just switched over from MTP

Tim was stronger with him than Wolf is. Ickes is spinning out of control :crazy:

So, why DOES he call her Mrs. Clinton rather than Senator Clinton?

[K Gardner]

11. I don't know.. he's a strange man. They're really setting Obama up to be "illegitimate" and the MSM

is obliging. The Supers need to END THIS NOW.

[Debi]

26. They will on June 4th. n/t

[virtualobserver]

27. That is the point......de-legitimize the process....then claim that they won the popular vote

it is their last gasp strategy.

[lisa58]

18. She was Mrs. Clinton when he first started working for them...

...probably just can't change gears - or is he sexist?

[Debi]

25. Bill Clinton was 'Bill Clinton' when he first started working with him

and yet he is capable of calling him 'President Clinton'. You may be right.

[union_maid]

43. Good question

Not a Clinton supporter but I got really made at both Jesse Jackson Jr. and Elizabeth Edwards for calling her "Mrs. Clinton" instead of Senator Clinton. It seemed to me that everyone else was called by their most recent professional title and hers is current.

[Debi]

48. AND he ran her 2000 senate campaign

Kinda hard to forget the title she earned :crazy:

[TexasObserver]

6. He sounds like a crazy old man, barely connecting thoughts together.

I expect spittle to start flying off his lips and tongue.

[grantcart]

32. well yes but only because they keep asking him about it and he has to say something

[spotbird]

2. Victimology

It makes her seem vulnerable and traditional.

[Debi]

7. I think it's an attempt to make him look like she needs him to speak on her behalf

as if he is her protector. (She certainly doesn't need him to do so - she shouldn't need anyone to speak on her behalf.)

[Vinca]

8. Hate to say it, but old Harold is being sexist calling her Mrs. rather than Sen. nt

[Debi]

12. Seems that her holding the office allows her that title - Maybe Mr. Ickes forgot she was a Senator

and not just his former employers wife.

[Hamlette]

15. Imagine for one second what they would say if an Obama supporter called her Mrs. Clinton.

They would burn the country down screaming sexism.

Odd.

My fav part of the interview with the Wolf is when he said "we're ahead in the popular vote by 500,000 votes in all the primaries held since March."

So, the primaries (and caucuses) held BEFORE March should not count.

[AZBlue]

40. That was exactly what I thought too.

[City Lights]

9. And where is the outrage from her DU supporters?

I remember them taking others to task for referring to her as Mrs. Clinton - it was pointed out that her correct title is Senator Clinton.

Guess it's okay of one of their own does it. :shrug:

[Debi]

13. They're not here today - still returning from their road trip to the RBC meeting n/t

[SwampG8r]

46. stowing the kitchenware probably

[Debi]

49. HA!

Maybe preparing it for the Denver trip???

[LiberalAndProud]

10. Force of habit, I would guess. Harold, she's a SENATOR!

He is an idiot. I don't know why, but when her refers to her as "Mrs. Clinton" it gets my feminist hackles up. She is a member of the Senate for Pete's sake. Could he at least call her "Ms."?

[Debi]

17. You know, I think Mr. Debi is the only one who calls me 'Mrs.' -

most others call me 'Ms.' (Unless they're Debi, Jr.'s friends from college - they call me 'Mrs.' - but folks my age and older call me 'Ms.')

[AllentownJake]

14. Force of Habbit?

He's known her before she was a Senator.

[Debi]

20. I've known my Congressman, Governor, State Rep and State Senator

and Board of Supervisor members all since before they were elected to their posts, and yet when I run into Governor Culver or Congressman Braley I am able to call them by their titles not their first names or previous titles. She's been Senator Clinton for some time now - almost as long as she was 'First Lady' or 'Mrs. Clinton' for ickes' purpose. If it's habit - it's BAD habit.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. I have noticed the MR and MRS being used a lot this primary, never noticed it before

Like here in Arizona, most news channels refer to Bush as Mr Bush and not president Bush, and just yesterday the newscaster refereed to Senator Obama as Barack *forgive my non use of periods, that key is no longer available on my lappy*

[Debi]

22. A sure sign you have been posting on DU

TOO MUCH!!! :hi:

[Orangepeel]

19. I don't think this is anything other than habit. He's known her along time.

When Bill was President (and maybe when he was Governor -- I don't know how long Ickes has known her), he probably called her "Mrs. Clinton."

[Debi]

23. He's only had under seven years to learn the term 'Senator' n/t

[Overseas]

21. I guess it polled well in focus groups. Up the warmth factor.

He is a grotesque liar that doesn't care about the Democratic party.

[Debi]

24. I agree on both counts!

:thumbsup:

[Paladin]

28. Who The Hell Dresses Ickes? Himself?

I saw him on one of the Sunday morning shows a while ago---he was wearing a gold and brown checked sport coat with a blue and white tattersal shirt! Jeez, even Einstein managed to dress better than that.

I know this doesn't have much of anything to do with the campaign, but he's a senior Clinton staffer. Is it too much effort to get him outfitted in something non-ridiculous?

[Debi]

30. Obviously he takes fashion advice from Howard Wolfson...

[Paladin]

45. That's A Pretty Lame Sweater, Alright.....

...but at least he doesn't look like Gianni Versace threw up on him, like Ickes did.....

[Writer]

29. I've heard Obama referred to as "Mr. Obama."

It's nothing unusual to refer to a sitting Senator with "Mr." or "Mrs."

If he called her Hillary, but called every other Senator Mr. or Sen.... that's a different story.

[Debi]

31. He went back and forth from Hillary and Mrs. Clinton

and called Senator Obama 'Senator Obama'. :shrug:

[Writer]

33. Blah. What do you think of that?

I personally don't like it.

[Debi]

34. I think Harold, I mean Mr. Ickes, needs a nap.

And I think a Senator should be called 'Senator' when a person is talking about them in public (with obvious allowances for her husband, daughter, mother, etc.). Especially when the person who ran their Senatorial campaign is doing the talking x(

That's what I think. :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Family friend, I guess.

[Debi]

37. Yeah, that explains it

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

39. Why wouldn't it?

[Debi]

41. Becuase she is a United States Senator

family friend or not.

[PBS Poll-435]

42. I guess the question is, do you feel he was being disrespectful to her?

[Debi]

47. Obviously

To her and to the title she earned.

[krawhitham]

36. He's sexist

[Debi]

38. ....

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

44. Ickes was taught to show respect for his elders

He probably thinks she's older than him.

[Debi]

50. She's not - even though she behaves better than he does! n/t