Hillary surrogate, Mandy Grunwald, giving women a reason not to vote for Obama

[jenmito]

"If a female candidate, the first successful one in history, goes into the convention leading the popular vote, then it's taken away from her, how do you think WOMEN are gonna feel, heading into the November election?"

She said this on FTN this morning in response to Bob Schieffer asking her how Hillary could win without the African American vote, a main constituent of the Dem. party who may stay home if they feel the nomination was taken away from Obama. Why didn't she just say she thinks the Black voters would come around to Hillary rather than voting for McCain?

[Bicoastal]

1. Another woman assuming all other women are emotional idiots.

[jenmito]

10. Sadly, she's playing to certain people who are buying it.

[Blue_Roses]

2. why do they keep doing this?

they know the nominee is picked by delegates. If they wanted to change the rules they might have thought about this when Bill was president.

[TwilightGardener]

8. They want to rile up hordes of angry women to protest Obama at the convention--

that's also what Republicans want. And then they want women to stay home or vote McCain. If this doesn't tell you what odious characters Hillary and her team are, I don't know what will.

[Andy823]

43. I agree with you

This is about one thing, if Hillary can't win, then neither will Obama! There is no other reason to keep this up, no reason at all!

[dkf]

3. Low information voters don't understand how primaries work.

The disinformation campaign by Hillary is a disservice to all of us.

[jenmito]

11. It's sad to see her campaign taking advantage of that fact. n/t

[billyoc]

4. Mandy

[jenmito]

12. Thanks. Fixed it.

:hi:

[Spider Jerusalem]

5. You mean Mandy Grunwald, no?

And, um...what if the first successful black candidate goes into the convention leading in delegates (which determine the nominee, not 'popular vote'), and has it taken away from him? These people are amazingly stupid.

[jenmito]

13. Yes, thanks. And yeah, that's pretty much what Bob Schieffer asked her...

Her non-response was what I posted. Sad, isn't it?

[TwilightGardener]

6. Taken away from her? Is that the seed she's planting for Denver--

that women will go nuts, thinking Hillary was robbed? Good job, Hillary campaign--very responsible behavior, to encourage this bullshit. Just trying to cause Dem defeat for November, I see.

[jenmito]

14. Yes. They want to make Obama's win look illegitimate. So when McCain wins, it will be

the fault of Hillary and her surrogates.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

15. Well, there it is again. It's hers, hers, all hers.

No one is taking away anything. To win the nomination you need DELEGATES. If Hillary has more DELEGATES she will WIN the nomination. Hillary, however, thinks that she "deserves" the nomination and if the supers don't vote for her, they are taking away a prize she already booked in her own head.

But I think you're right.Hillary will spin her loss as a robbery, not a defeat. Obama legitimately won more pledged delegates than she did. Her whole case relies on the super delegates coming out for her. If they don't she will blame sexism for her loss.

I can't wait to see the end of her pathetic campaign. Fortunately, the majority of women are a lot smarter than she is giving them credit for.

[EFerrari]

16. Yes -- and it will appeal especially to the unhinged fringe.

Bad idea.

[Tatiana]

24. Good idea, if that's your point and goal.

The Clinton campaign is so disappointing on nearly every level.

[EFerrari]

30. I guess I mean, it's dangerous. Look at those people yesterday.

Most of our DU friends who are Clinton supporters wouldn't be caught dead doing something like that. But there are always people 'way out on the fringe that take these situations as opportunities to act out. That concerns me. :(

[Tatiana]

42. In our county meetings, I am hearing this rhetoric more and more.

People just assumed because I'm colored that I voted for Obama (I did not).

And now that I clearly support Obama, fellow Dems (not internet warriors, but real live people) called me a traitor to my gender. I have known some of these women since Bill Clinton's first campaign in '92. That is almost sixteen years. There are those that really believe that nonsense. There are even those who have been here, on DU, since 2001 who also believe that nonsense.

I am on the Clinton listserv so I read the angst and dissention that is coming out of that campaign. It is so disheartening. No leadership is being shown by that campaign at all.

I not concerned about the Operation Chaos morans. But I am alarmed by how much the projection about "cultism" seems to have become reality with some Democratic women.

[Zambero]

18. Perceptions of "Entitlement" perhaps?

Maybe that whacko priest in Chicago had it right, poor choice of words notwithstanding!

[TwilightGardener]

22. Absolutely--they will undermine Obama by constantly reminding

Hillary's disgruntled base that he wasn't "supposed" to win, maybe even DIDN'T win.

[Thrill]

7. They just aren't going to lose gracefully

[AllentownJake]

9. Screw the Clintons and all their surrogates

at this point. They know they lost they are just poisoning the well.

In 2012 you better worry about your Senate seat not another Presidential run.

[jenmito]

19. I know she lost MY vote for Senate if she runs again...

I want her out of my state.

[Triana]

17. I think most women are smarter than that. I'm sorry for Hillary and her supporters...

...but I do think most Dem women will ultimately support the nominee.

[jenmito]

25. I'm not so sure "most" women are smarter than that. They seem to really believe Hillary is

winning and getting the nomination STOLEN from her by the big, bad Black man.

[EFerrari]

34. I think Triana is right. It's just that the folks that have gone into victim mode

are loud and obsessive. Look at DU. We're mostly women here and most of DU is behind Obama.

[jenmito]

36. I hope you're BOTH right!

:hi:

[billyoc]

20. I just don't see this becoming an issue in November. Even Republican women are 60% pro-choice.

They're not going to go anywhere near McCain. The women's rights groups that endorsed Clinton in the primary will be screaming against McCain throughout the entire GE. This is a last-ditch effort by the Clinton campaign to scare SD's into nominating Clinton. And it's going nowhere.

[jenmito]

26. I wish I was so optimistic. I see women on tv all the time saying Hillary was robbed

of the nomination, treated as a second class citizen, descriminated against, blah blah blah.

[billyoc]

28. I know what you mean, but June 1 isn't November 1.

Every single women's group in the country will get behind Obama, even the New York chapter of NOW.

[jenmito]

33. True...

Thanks for making me feel a little better. :hi:

[blogslut]

38. The loudest person gets the camera pointed at them

That's what you're seeing.

[jenmito]

40. True..

good point. :hi:

[Yotun]

21. The popular vote argument is the one that truly made me disgusted

It is an attempt to overturn a democratic result, by making an argument that attempts to invoke, of all thing democrasy itself, when in fact the argument is based on the inability of some voters to grasp the flaw in the popular vote metric. It is using people's stupidity to make them overturn democracy, and convincing them they are doing the democratic thing at the same time. It is Orwellian in how horrific it is- the complete contol and brain wash of the mindless masses to do as their masters bid them.

[jenmito]

29. She even claimed that the count included the caucus states!!

That's ANOTHER lie.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Liar. Obama's Leading In Popular Vote.

These people are trying to destroy Obama and the Democratic Party so Clinton can have a shot at 2012.

Evil.

[jenmito]

32. Well, I hope Obama runs against her in 2012, too.

:D

[bow-tie]

27. What if Rove was behind

all this Hillary support? "Operation Chaos" a success.

[jenmito]

35. I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

I bet her "supporters" who say they're going to vote for McCain are really Repubs.

[Median Democrat]

31. There She Goes Again. First Whites. Now Women.

If the Democrats lose in November, it will be due to stunts like this. First, it was "working class whites." Second, its women.

Talking about a massive stereotype. Most women support Hillary. HIllary lost. Therefore, women will support McCain.

We are talking about John McCain who left his first wife after she was disfigured, and married an heiress to boost his political ambitions. Women flocking to McCain? Please. If you support Hillary, there is no rational reason to switch a Hillary vote to McCain, because on the issues, Obama is far closer to Hillary, then Obama.

This is what gets me. Hillary's surrogates seem to think that Hillary's supporters are racist and sexist (won't vote for black male) and stupid (can't figure out that McCain is far different than Obama/Clinton, then Obama and Clinton are from each other on the issues.)

[jenmito]

39. Yup-and thanks to people like Geraldine Ferraro, it's about BOTH.

Disgusting what they're doing to Obama and our chances in November.

[safeinOhio]

44. My Ladyfriend, white, 60+,

Has said she will never vote for McCain and will not vote for BO if HRC is on his ticket. She may be speaking for a larger group of ladies.

[Inuca]

37. Fortunately, it seems that even some hardcore supporters

are NOT that stupid http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/31/214338/377/329/525470

[jenmito]

41. Thanks for the article...

and that WAS a brilliant idea Obama had!

[Tippy]

45. We may lose a few votes but everyone in this country is hurting

But most people will vote for Obama if he is the canidate...It's a long time till the election and folks want the Change Obama promised.

[OzarkDem]

46. Facts are bothersome things

Popular vote and winning the GE are blind spots for Obama supporters and the news media.