the whole popular voteargument misses that Obama currently leads in Dem polls as much as 52-42

[Levgreee]

Popular votes are not meant to be taken over the course of 7 months. Right now Obama has a significant edge when it comes to what the popular will of Democrats want elected. Electing Hillary would go against the popular will, even if she managed to scrounge up some minuscule lead in the "popular vote".

This whole debate is fucking nonsense. Why can't people and pundits analyze it in a clear manner?

[Crazy Dave]

1. Up is really down and black is really white, the emperor's clothes look great

:crazy:

[bunnies]

2. Excellent point. Not to mention...

That if California voted today she'd get her clock cleaned there. And Im sure its not the only state that would change.

[muryan]

3. New Jersey would go big to him too

I'm kind of curious to see how New York would go

[bunnies]

4. I saw an article the other day that said...

the majority of NY'ers want her to drop out. So, if thats any indication.... :shrug:

[dubyaD40web]

5. The "popular vote" argument also disenfranchises every caucus state voter

I live in Kansas, where Obama handily won the caucus. Just like he did in Iowa and nearly every other caucus state. Come on Hillary, count my vote. My state didn't even break any rules, so why do you want to ignore my vote. That's not very democratic of you.

Please note, I'm not bashing Hillary. I'm just pointing out the gaping hole in the "popular vote" argument. Had Hillary won the nod, I'd be all about supporting her and knocking doors and making phone calls and doing everything in my power to make damn sure she was our next President. Just like I intend to do for Obama.

[depakid]

7. Every time I hear a caucus person talk about disenfranchishment, I just have to LAUGH

Those petty processes by their very nature disenfranchise close to 90% of eligible voters!

Yet people have the gall to whinge. Amazing.

Reality check: Caucus states don't vote- and as we saw in Texas- caucuses are an inaccurate gauge of voter sentiment at large.

[depakid]

6. The Guardian made an interesting observation in that regard today:

"Obama is now to some extent limping to the finishing line. Clinton's refusal to bow out even though her odds of victory have become almost impossible has seen her win several of the most recent contests. In fact, since 4 March, Clinton has won around half a million more votes than Obama. That run of victories should easily continue today when Puerto Rico goes to the polls, and could even extend to the final primaries - South Dakota and Montana - which vote on Tuesday. Obama had been expected to win there, but Clinton has been campaigning furiously and it could be close."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/01/barackobama.uselections2008