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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:40 PM
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I forsee Hillary Clinton giving the greatest speech of her life IF
the Dem party will allow her to at the convention. If she and her advisors have the wisdom to do so, it could be the greatest unifying speech of Dem party history. It will cast the shackles of blame for a possible Obama loss in Nov off her off her and help Obama redeem himself with her supporters. Just a hope.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:41 PM
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1. She could give an awesome speech at the convention without contesting it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:42 PM
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2. It depends on the topic...
Hopefully, the Clinton at the convention won't be the Clinton of the campaign.

I would hope the party leaders judge our position at the time and weigh the advantages/risks of her speaking at the convention.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 PM
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3. Of course she'll be speaking at the convention.
All the people who ran for the Democratic nomination do.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:33 PM
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18. Out of curiosity, I looked at Wikipedia
In fact, it appears that has not always been true. Gore gave Bradley a spot and Kerry gave all his opponents spots. But, in 1992, Clinton did not give spots to his opponents.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:45 PM
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24. In 1992, Paul Tsongas and Jerry Brown addressed the convention.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 PM
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4. why would we want such a selfish, sore loser speaking at our Convention?
We have earned the right never to hear a Hillary speech again.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:18 PM
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19. I think it would be a wise thing to encourage her to speak.
I think I'd find something else to do while she is delivering it, though.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:20 PM
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21. "Barack Obama is the nominee.. as far as I know."
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 PM
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5. I agree
I would also like to see Obama give a speech on women's rights, not that he has to in my opinion. But it would do wonders for his image in the media
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:00 PM
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13. Why slice and dice us?
We need to hear what our rights are as AMERICANS, and also the responsibility we have to our country, including doing our best to make sure that the least of us can provide for themselves and the people they are responsible for.

I want to hear that we all need to treat each other fairly, regardless of gender and race and religion and sexual orientation.

Inclusive, not divisive. Healing, not tearing scabs off.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:19 PM
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16. Once again I concur
But that doesn't change the reality that at least once a day, a major news organization runs a story about supposed sexism from his campaign.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 PM
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6. She could give an awesome speech tonight, if she'd concede the obvious.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:47 PM
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7. If she gives an awesome speech, she and Bill will think they are positioning for 2012.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:48 PM
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8. She needs to give the best speech of her life to endorse Obama
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:48 PM by supernova
and unify the party behind him. She will not win the nomination and to continue to argue that she will is the height of folly.

We have to get ready for McCain and Obama can beat him, if we unite as a party. The small amount of women who say that they are so upset they will vote for McCain will be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of new voters that Obama has brought into the voting process.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:51 PM
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9. She has had MANY opportunities to step up and show class, grace, and leadership.
She has failed on every occasion.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:56 PM
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12. From past experience, I trust she will Martyr herself.
Circus Maximus



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 PM
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14. Indeed. She's addicted to melodrama ... and the delusion of being the star victim.
She's truly exposed herself as a pathetic character.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:18 PM
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15. So have some of her most ardent 'supporters'.



From a post I just read: ;)


"The chutzpah of your ignorance is apparently boundless"

(snip)

6) Credentials Committee Challenge

According to Ickes, the Clinton camp reserves the right to take their grievance to the Credentials Committee.

Since Ickes’ argues that the DNC does not have the power to determine the delegate allocations, then neither the RBC, nor the Credentials Committee would have the power to rule in his favor. Hence his case is moot.

Were Ickes/Clinton able to successfully argue the case with the Credentials Committee, the ONLY conceivable outcome that would satisfy his argument would be that 100% of MI & FL delegates be disqualified.

Since the RBC (including Ickes) voted to sanction MI & FL, they invalidated any subsequent election (whether sanctioned or not) by virtue of influencing some voters not to vote as "the election would not count".

Ickes’ and Clinton’s arguments rely on asserting the principles enshrined in the constitution. However, scholars of the constitution will be aware that there is no explicit "right to vote". The constitution does however explicitly assert that no-one should be prevented or influenced not to vote.

Hence, if the argument is that the validity of the MI & FL elections are determined by constitutional principles, the MI & FL elections must be invalid in their entirety. The only constitutionally valid alternative would be to hold a full revote.

(snip)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/1/72643/08080/210/526590


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:53 PM
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10. Baloney - the greatest speech she could give is an apology for protecting BushInc
throughout the 90s along with Bill and for damning this country with Bush2, 9-11 and this Iraq war because Clintons protected BushInc and the powerful elite on all the outstanding matters of their illegal operations - operations that had taken YEARS of work by a few honest Democrats who risked their lives and careers to uncover and expose GHWBush's operations.

And then fall to her knees begging forgiveness from Gore and Kerry and all the Dem voters sabotaged by TeamClinton as they kept 2008 safe for Hillary.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:55 PM
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11. Your crystal ball is broken.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:25 PM
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17. Hillary is not that great a speaker
She is intelligent and extremely articulate, but she has never given a speech that has ever been highly praised. I would hope that Obama will follow Kerry's precedent and let all those who ran against him have speeches. (I also was impressed that Kerry honored Carter by letting him speak for the first time since 1980 and that he gave Gore a speech - pre movie when Gore had very little support.)

It will be interesting to see who Obama puts on the agenda.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:19 PM
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20. Agreed completely. n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:23 PM
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22. What did Obama do to her that was so objectionable?
Besides beat her, of course.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:30 PM
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23. No. If we want to see more of Bush/Rove tactics we can watch footage...
of the 2008 Dem primary, or the 2000 or 2004 presidential elections.

Please, no more platforms for her bigot-pandering, lies, and shout-outs to potential assassins.
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