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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:42 PM
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Major right wing tactics of being "obnoxious" and "controlled controversy"..maybe not so right wing
I was thinking yesterday about how this primary has turned into something amazing. It has turned into a primary in which the rules of the Democratic Party, duly formed in committee as has been done through the years...are being mocked. Mocked in public and loudly.

We think of these as Rovian type tactics, but Rove actually only borrowed and built on them from earlier leaders. These methods are still going on today, and they are not only used by the right wing.

We have seen some of these tactics in action the last two months in protests at the DNC. The one in April was aptly named by MSNBC as a a "spontaneous manufactured event." Video.

It is getting people riled up at what should really be a non-issue. This picture from yesterday reminded me of the purple heart band-aids worn by Republicans in 2004.



It was meant to cause anger, the media picked and chose from the most mean spirited protestors to feed this rage in our party. It is a culture of divisiveness that has permeated this primary race since February.

More about these tactics.

Controlled controversy and "obnoxious" tactics.

Much of the concept came from Huebeck's New Traditionalist Movement. Their goal was to be highly provocative, to cause anger and outrage.

We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime. We will take advantage of every available opportunity to spread the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the existing state of affairs.


This was from Huebeck years ago...but it is still alive today. We have been made to feel like there is something innately wrong with "party rules". Yet there is nothing wrong with having rules at all. They are necessary for survival of a group or even a species.

However, we will not consider ourselves above appearing "unseemly" or surrendering some our personal dignity. We must be willing to shake people out of their complacency--which means being obnoxious if the situation requires it--because given the fact that the dominant leftist culture is safely ensconced, complacency only serves the interests of our opponents.


Being obnoxious. About party rules. Like yesterday and April 30. Making it seem like there is something bad about rules.

One of the biggest proponent of the tactics of outrage was the Leadership Institute.

Two of the most famous/infamous graduates were Karl Rove and Jeff Gannon.

Yet Blackwell's foundation, the Leadership Institute, is not a Republican organization. It's a nonpartisan 501(c)(3) charity, drawing the overwhelming majority of its $9.1 million annual budget from tax-deductible donations. Despite its legally required "neutrality," the institute is one of the best investments the conservative movement has ever made. Its walls are plastered with framed headshots of former students -- hundreds of state and local legislators sprinkled with smiling members of the U.S. Congress, and even the perky faces of two recently crowned Miss Americas. Thirty-five years ago, Blackwell dispatched a particularly promising 17-year-old pupil named Karl Rove to run a youth campaign in Illinois; Jeff Gannon, a far less impressive student, attended the Leadership Institute's Broadcast Journalism School.

..."Unlike chapter-based political organizations, CLP clubs are unaffiliated with either the Leadership Institute or each other. According to Blackwell, this trait offers a serious advantage: "No purges." The clubs' independence also comes with the benefit of plausible deniability. "You can get away with stuff that you would take a lot of flak for doing in the College Republicans," says CLP director Dan Flynn. "Because we're independent, we can do activities that push the envelope," agrees University of Miami senior Sarah Canale, whose CLP-organized Advocates for Conservative Thought threw an affirmative action bake sale last year in which the price of a cupcake varied according to the race of its buyer. That it was controversial, she believes, was a victory in itself.

...."The Leadership Institute teaches the same principle. Controlled controversy -- making your point in a manner so bombastic that your opponents blow their cool -- is a Blackwell specialty. Before the 2004 Republican Convention, the conservative elder personally went to a drugstore and bought little pink heart stickers, bandages and purple nail polish. At home, he made the "Purple Heart Band-Aids" that he later distributed in Madison Square Garden to mock John Kerry's war wounds. From Blackwell's perspective, the Kerry camp's outrage at the gag was a tactical disaster. Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe, Blackwell says, kept the story alive for days by "running around like a chicken with its head cut off.


I never thought yesterday would bring any end to things. I got a couple of emails from local Democrats wondering what I thought about yesterday's meeting. I did not even bother to answer, because I know it would just stir up things best left to rest.

I have lost respect for some very major players in our party. I have seen them lose their credibility to stand against something they never had a problem with before...party rules and tradition.

The two protests at the DNC were meant to be "obnoxious", and they were meant to anger us and push us to the point we would "blow our cool." They are the tactics begun by the right wing. They have been deliberate. The tactics have caused many in the party to question the rules and tradition. This is said by those doing it that it is a good thing. It is not.



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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 PM
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1. Yep--they're learning from the GOP what Digby calls the "Art of the Hissyfit"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:47 PM
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2. Exactly. The art of being outraged where there should be none.
:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:55 PM
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12. Hopped up on their bottles of Feign-Feign.
.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:57 PM
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14. Heh heh
Yep...definitely hyped up on faux things.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:47 PM
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3. From the little I saw I have no doubt that many of the protesters were plants
As in Republican plants .... their talking points and actions were a real "tell."

BTW expect to see those "wronged voters" showing up in republican ads this fall.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:50 PM
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5. This is the mistake we make. They are so horrible we can't accept they are true
supporters of a democratic candidate. As I've said before, this is a dangerous assumption.

Hillary has changed the landscape of the democratic party. Those TPs.. were points put out by Clinton herself. We have it on tape.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:56 PM
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13. No doubt many were Hillary supporters but some seemed a little "hinky"
If you think that "Creative Response Concepts/Rove/Fox/and so on would
miss the chance to get some people "planted" into that group than you
under estimate just how nasty "they" are.

In 2004 in Ohio after the election at a hearing where sworn testimony was to
be heard about election problems ... a mysterious "art women" was trying to
get people to put an X on their heads to show they were Xed off having their
vote counted .... later on the papers and the media were able to cover her
and not the theft of the election. She was very much a plant.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:01 PM
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18. We haven't come to terms with the fact that there is an oligarchy in this country.
They're not Republicans or Democrats or, not first, anyway.

They have power and money and access and they'll do anything to keep those things. A whole industry has sprung up to help them manipulate the public to shore up their power. We're pretty much just a bigger version of Guatemala right now.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:33 PM
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37. That's really an excellent point. I hadn't thought of it in terms of oligarchy.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:55 PM
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58. Got that right!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:51 PM
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8. My problem is that it was done in the name of a Democratic candidate
and it did not have to be that way. Yes, I think we will see them showing up in ads.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:58 PM
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15. This "babe" from California seems mighty fishy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:02 PM
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19. Remember that "working class" Pennsylvanian who showed up
in a Clinton ad -- and who turned out to be a campaign worker from NJ? You're right.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:48 PM
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4. Yeah, protecting voter's rights is so wrong
:tinfoilhat:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:50 PM
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6. There is no protecting the rights of SOME voters at the expense of others.
That's called discrimination.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:52 PM
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Care to explain?
If you want to protect the rights of Obama voters, tell him he needs to keep his name on the ballot.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:54 PM
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11. You can't tell an electorate that their process will not count
and then turn around and count it. That's vote suppression.

And send your own messages. I don't work for you, thank God.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:50 PM
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7. The day I don't have to see your b /s spin here any longer is a day which can't come soon enough.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:52 PM
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9. I can't....
see it now. :rofl:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:08 PM
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34. i`ll second that
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:54 PM
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10. When Obama said that Hillary learned the wrong lessons from the 90's, this is what he meant.
Hillary and her campaign are doing their best to alienate traditional Democratic voters not just from Obama as nominee, but from the Democratic party if she isn't selected.

I gotta say, this whole process has been an eye-opener to me. I never would've believed a year ago that she and Bill would go down this road, or were even capable of it. I wonder if they haven't lost us the election already.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:30 PM
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36. I never thought so either.
:shrug:

It's sad.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:00 PM
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16. All I could think off yesterday was... FLORIDA 2000
that is all I could think off

The only difference, they didn't wear brooks brothers suits.

But everything else was there

The fact that it is being used... well it did what I was trying to avoid. It hardened my feelings to the Clintons in ways that I never thought possible....
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:03 PM
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21. I know, me too and it was embarrassing for our party...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:04 PM
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22. I looked closely at the pics Stephanie posted
and was surprised at the nice hair cuts and jewelery and neatness of the "turnout". There were some real people there but, they didn't seem to be the majority.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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29. The protesters were issued talking points
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:47 PM
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30. Just like 2000... why I was reminded of 2000
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:34 PM
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38. I felt the same way.
It has hardened me so much toward both of them. What I can't figure is what they are gaining by all this? What does it benefit them to make so many angry?

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:00 PM
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17. Problem is... Hillary's tactics are showing
Never mind the bused-in outrage
Team Hillary seems to manufacture the most klutzy hamfisted fauxer-than-faux arguments.
That's not strategy, it's comedy.
Pure comic genius.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:02 PM
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20. and it wasn't just the obnoxious protestors...
Harold Ickes took this party and stomped his foot on it. It was disgusting and sad. I will never look at Hillary Clinton the same again. I've lost all respect for her.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:22 PM
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23. I heard about that. I hear he was awful.
I heard on some show that Ickes had taken two losing candidates to the convention, once in the 80s, and I don't remember the other date. I think it was Chris Matthews who said it, but I can't find it now.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:25 PM
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24. Nice post. Very well thought out and presented and educational to boot.
Thank you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:32 PM
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27. Thanks. I find it kind of hard to be very sensible right now.
I would rather scream and shout right back instead of being thoughtful. I never thought the Clintons would let this stuff go on in their name.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:04 PM
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33. Its not going on in their name...they are the ones orchestrating it.
I guess this is how they always operated. I just didn't realize it because I was gullible, stupid and naive.

I'm learning the hard way.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:36 PM
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51. I was as well.
When I see what they have done to divide my state....I can not forgive it.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:28 PM
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25.  "They are the tactics begun by the right wing."
And they are being employed by right-wingers in the Hillary camp.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:30 PM
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26. Anyone who thinks Democrats = Good/ Republicans = Bad is a naive and childish fool
Politics is about policy and interests, not about good guys and bad guys, pure paladins and evil orcs, or any such nonsense of that type.

It's a dirty business to assert one's class (taken broadly) interests at the level of the state apparatus, and that's pretty much all it is. Now, one's own class interests always strike one as "good," and so we naively and childishly transpose that on to Party and then on to individual People (my candidate, blah blah blah). But this is an illusion for children. Check that. Children are smarter than that. It's an illusion for idiots and people who can't think about struggle conceptually and systematically. You give these small-minded people a little team to root for and they go all gaga, thereby involving themselves in the political process, even if it is indirectly (though fandom, infatuation, fake morals, and the like). But it is game. Politics is bout struggle, interests, and distribution of social resources. PERIOD. Anyone who thinks "Our guy is really good while their guy is really bad" - as if these qualities inhered in a person or party - anyone who thinks that, I repeat, is a fucking moron. But a useful moron, if you can leverage their stupidity to get good results for people.

So yes, Democratic tactics are just as nasty and lowdown as Republican tactics. This should only be a surprise to children and imbeciles. The question is always about ends.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:48 PM
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31. great post...i agree
you've eloquently expressed what i've been trying to say for the past few months. unfortunately, i wasn't as eloquent and almost got into a few fistfights with some true believers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:52 PM
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32. I don't think many candidates would be like her in how she used two states
and manipulated them so badly. Openly and unashamedly, after she agreed to the rules.

I agree politics is no picnic, but she has made it very personal for me in my state which she used as a tool.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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28. A weekor so ago, Bill Clinton said 50% seating would be most fair.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2145

"But just last week, Bill Clinton called giving Florida half its delegates -- similar to how the Republican National Committee penalized the state for holding an earlier-than-allowed contest -- an "appropriate penalty."

"The Republican Party said 'OK, we'd like to win Florida in the fall so we are gonna invoke our rule, they got out of turn, we will seat their delegates as half a delegate and seat their superdelegates,' " Clinton said at a campaign event in Missoula, Mon. "That is an appropriate penalty."

Now there is all that outrage about how they are not accepting the rules committee verdict.

Don't they share thoughts in that campaign?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:44 PM
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45. The Clintons like to reference the past ('68 election, civil rights struggle, suffragettes)...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 08:45 PM by beac
but seem to have a hard time remembering what they themselves said anytime this year before whatever the current day happens to be.

I'm sure Bill has forgotten ALL about what he said. How refreshing it must be for him to start every day unburdened by his past. Her too. :crazy:






(edited for clarity)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:22 PM
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35. they are not all that special and they are nothing new nothing.....

since they do this in plain sight it`s not all that difficult to be able to see through their deceptions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:31 PM
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39. It is "special" because they are the former first couple.
.
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:05 PM
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40. Speaking of obnoxious, Hillary Just Declared VICTORY
Pay no attention to the facts.

No need for a convention after all.

Hillary has just declared herself the winner.

Another big win! Today in Puerto Rico, the voters spoke with a powerful voice to say that this race is not over yet. And thanks to your support, we're celebrating another great victory.

When all the votes in Puerto Rico are counted, our popular vote lead will be even bigger. More than 17 million people have cast their ballots for our campaign, more votes than any candidate has received in the history of the Democratic Party. Now there can be no doubt: the people have spoken and you have chosen your candidate. We are winning the popular vote.


So Hillary has informed us we have chosen our candidate. We can all go home.

Somehow I don't think this comes from the right wing, unless Hillary is a mole.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:07 PM
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41. Yeah.. I think a lot of pundits let that slip on by. It was a glaring red flag to me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:20 PM
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42. Yes, I missed that. It IS obnoxious.
Thanks for letting me know.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:35 PM
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43. Yes, the people who can't vote in the GE have chosen Hillary...
as Miss Puerto Rico 2008. I'm sure she looks lovely in that sash and crown.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:41 PM
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44. Thank you Madfloridian .
for your steadfast service to this forum, the Democratic Party and our nation. You serve! :patriot:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:54 PM
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46. It will never be over never...
Everytime I think it might be she claims victory again.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:00 PM
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47. Clinton campaign handed out "bitter" stickers in North Carolina
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:00 PM by WillYourVoteBCounted
IS 'BITTER' STICKING IN NORTH CAROLINA?
Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:16 PM by Mark Murray MSNBC First Read

...In Goldsboro, close observers noticed a (light) smattering of stickers being worn by attendees. "I'm not bitter!" read the simple rectangular label on the lapels of a couple dozen in the crowd. The campaign says that the stickers are evidence of outrage at the grassroots level.

Yet it's unclear how spontaneous the sentiment was. A boxful of the stickers was spotted at Clinton's first event of the day -- being whisked backstage.

*** UPDATE *** The Clinton campaign in NC takes responsibility for the stickers, per a campaign aide, but says that the idea originally came from a volunteer.

Stickers have been distributed by volunteers -- given a "green light" by staff -- at four of Bill Clinton's events yesterday.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/12/882730.aspx
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:23 PM
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49. Yes, I had forgotten the bitter stickers.
Faux outrage.
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:06 PM
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48. Exactly; and it continues......... nt
NoFederales
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:45 PM
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50. Yes, it does.
:hi:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:19 PM
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52. Gee.. just maybe people are pissed because the party is screwing them over
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 02:19 PM by Gman
just maybe they don't like it because their vote won't count (or even worse, their vote is only worth half of someone's vote in the rest of the country).

When you tell someone "who cares what you think" they're going to be pissed off. Can't blame them for being pissed.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:29 PM
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54. State parties screwed them over, not the national one. Hillary is doing this for personal gain. (nt)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:34 PM
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55. Anyone that runs for public office does it for personal gain
and that includes everyone from Obama down to the local dogcatcher.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:38 PM
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56. Didn't you ever learn not to talk in absolutes? It shows your lack of understanding. (nt)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:40 PM
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57. There are few absolutes in life
The sky is blue is one. Roses are red is another. And every politician is in it for his/herself.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:21 PM
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53. Ed Schultz said supporters like he saw Sat. like this...would help
her take it on to the convention...and he did not mean it in a nice way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:44 PM
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59. If indeed the campaign is nearing an end...she needs to FL Dems to hush.
It is time for them to start being unifying as well.
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