IF OBAMA IS SO UNSTOPPABLE, AND HILLARY IS SO BEATABLE

[ClericJohnPreston]

then why hasn't Obama sealed the deal yet?

If I had a dollar for every he's won it all now, when is Hillary conceding post, I would never have to worry about having money for my charitable donations.

DU has spawned a cottage industry of its over posts. So, do any those here who are part of those 10,000 plus posts of that variety, own up to it not being over yet?

I'm willing to bet all the echo chamber participants will utilize their notorious thinking skills to rationalize their way out of the singular obvious truth, it isn't over yet; they have to, it is part of the denial syndrome.

Still, using Obama supportere logic, how does it compute that if Obama is so good, perfect, pure and undeniably the only candidate left standing, that Hillary is still standing?

Is it all her evil, malicious, unelectable, mind-numbing mindplay.......or IS IT MERELY THAT THE WORLD IS NOT THE POLARIZED BLACK/WHITE GOOD VS. EVIL CONTEST THAT ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS HAVE CREATED TO SIMPLIFY A MORE COMPLEX POLITICAL PROCESS????

Thinking minds want to know........

[anonymous171]

1. You're late. That talking point is at least 2 weeks old.

[K Gardner]

16. I try to help these people by posting Clinton TPMs for em.. whacha gonna do ?

[Cant trust em]

21. It's a lot older than that.

Same tired talking points have been circulating for a loooong time.

[rocktivity]

That talking point is THREE MONTHS old, actually.

Obama sealed the deal on March 4 when Hillary failed to get 60% of the vote in all six of the contests that day. She's had to win with AT LEAST 65% of the vote in ALL the remaining contests ever since. Why couldn't she OPEN the deal?

:headbang:
rocknation

[grassfed]

46. IF IT'S TYPED IN CAPS IT'S RELEVANT

[Yael]

50. IF ITS TYPED IN ALL CAPS, IT IS LIKELY FROM A LIV

[Andrea]

113. What is an LIV?

I'm not familiar with that term. Thanks.

[casus belli]

167. Low Information Voter n/t

[Andrea]

169. Thank you. n/t

[SwampG8r]

112. the check finally cleared

[roguevalley]

125. I recall that one too about a month ago. That is a two edged sword

you know and they never get it. the question isn't why Barack hasn't beaten her, its why hasn't the goddess of peace beaten him? She had the money, name power, etc. Could it be that millions upon millions of people are sick enough of her to vote for the guy with the strange name? Hm?

[Orsino]

166. Months old. n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

2. He sealed the deal a long time ago.

[VotesForWomen]

82. If O had the nomination already, this discussion wouldn't be taking place, now would it? nt

[harun]

119. Delusional HC supporters spouting off is not a discussion, it's noise (n/t)

[Milo_Bloom]

120. Yes it would, because it is.

O had the nomination sealed after Clinton failed to Ohio/Texas by enough.

[roguevalley]

128. no, if your gal could count, we wouldn't be here.

[VotesForWomen]

154. what is there to count? the convention is months away, and you apparently don't understand the rules

[WeDidIt]

3. Wow, I was wondering where you were

Oddly enough, you're using a talking point as old as the last post I saw from you.

[TheWraith]

4. He "sealed the deal" two months ago. Hillary just won't accept reality.

The fact that one candidate is unable to do simple math doesn't change the fact that an election has been won.

[Yotun]

5. Em, he has. Hello?

That Clinton is unwilling to step out and acts like a spolied brat doesn't mean that Obama hasn't clinched the nomination. Its impossible for him to lose it.

[helderheid]

6. Why hasn't she? Sad. Come here.

:hug:

[JackORoses]

7. Neo wants his outfit back...

[marklar]

49. how much do clothes cost in the matrix?

[reflection]

87. Greatest. Movie. Ever. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

106. That isn't The Matrix. The movie is Equilibrium.

The protagonist is Cleric John Preston, not Neo.

[reflection]

114. Actually, I thought the reference was "Grandma's Boy."

"How much do clothes cost in the Matrix" is what the protagonist says to an ubergeek who insists on wearing one of those long black trenchcoats.

[Straight Shooter]

117. Ah. Thanks. I'm not well-versed in current pop culture, so to speak.

I don't watch television, nor many movies.

FWIW, I rarely speak to people who wear long black trenchcoats. :D

[reflection]

124. That's a good motto to live by. n/t

[JoFerret]

107. Matrix was Scottie's

secret service nickname.

[Kool Kitty]

164. Are you kidding?

[OzarkDem]

8. Clinton is still ahead in the popular vote

yet Obama supporters think that fact is irrelevant to winning the GE. Go figure.

[george_maniakes]

if you count michigan and dont count the caucuses (cauci?). n/t

[anonymous171]

If we had an apple eating contest and you ate 5 oranges along with 5 apples

And I ate 7 apples, I would still win.

[jwirr]

22. It is irrelevant because it disinfranchises all of us caucus voters.

[helderheid]

23. Ahead not counting caucus votes, right?

[OzarkDem]

33. No, that includes caucus states

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[Liberal Veteran]

35. Now with "estimates" and "magical fairy sprinkles"

:rofl:

[helderheid]

48. What am I missing here?

Popular Vote Total 17,267,658 48.3% 17,101,472 47.8% Obama +166,186 +0.5%

[mckeown1128]

96. The Clinton crowd doesn't understand that it isn't

proof if you post a link proving the other side right. They think just posting any random link makes their claim true.

[Two Americas]

152. that's it?

Less than one percent difference? That is the justification for the assaults on those - half of the people in the party - who are not on board with the Obama phenomenon? The way people are talking on this thread, one would think that there were a 30-40% difference in support between the two candidates. Less than one percent is a toss up, a tie.

[RichardRay]

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[mcg]

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[Liberal Veteran]

30. Oh, OZD, I have a present for you.

Popular Vote™ Pacifier

[MattBaggins]

78. She is not ahead in jack squat

Lie lie lie lie

Just one more time to make it a truth.

Counting 100% of her vote and 99% of his does not make her ahead in the popular vote.

[baldguy]

110. Primaries count delegates, the General Election counts Electoral votes.

Try again.

[onenote]

155. here's a clue: being ahead in the popular vote in the primaries IS irrelevant to winning the GE

For one example: HRC won big time in W Va, whic really pumps up her popular vote total. But what does that tell us about the GE? Well, nothing really. Gore and Kerry each won the West Virginia primary, and with higher percentage totals of the vote than HRC. Each got more popular votes in the Dem primary than all of the repub candidates in the W.VA repub primary campaign. But I missed the part where winning the W.Va Democratic party had an impact on who won the GE. In fact, it didn't even have an impact on who won West Virginia.

Go figure.

[Douglas Carpenter]

161. it is either patently disingenuous or downright delusional to include Florida and Michigan

And no one in their right mind could possibly argue that a primary in which the Michigan and Florida electorate and indeed the whole world was told repeatedly would not count and this was repeated constantly by the media on the eve of and the day of the primary - and this was done according to the rules Sen. Clinton and all other candidates agreed to. and ONLY the Clinton campaign wanted to change the rules after the fact - that such a primary and in the case of Michigan without Sen. Obama on the ballot , that this was an accurate representation of the will of registered Michigan Democrats and Florida Democrats. To believe this, one would have to believe that Sen. Obama had not even one single supporter in the state of Michigan.

Absurd would be the polite word that comes to mind.

In principle they shouldn't have seated the Michigan and Floriday delegation...however the DNC, and Sen. Obama's campaign felt it best to make a major concession which was supported by both the Florida and Michigan delegations even though it involved a major give-away to the Clinton campaign that they were certainly not entitled to.

It was VERY big give-away on the part of Sen. Obama to agree to it. Since Sen. Clinton was trying to change the rules she had previously agreed to.

But when all is said and done it was best to make this concession to help with the general election, support the Florida and Michigan state organizations and for the sake of party unity.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. He sealed the deal a while ago.

You Hillary supporters are just too far removed from reality to know this.

[Raejeanowl]

76. Yeah, If Obama Can Ignore His Pastor's Racism For 20 Years

I guess we can be forgiven for being obtuse a little longer.

[roguevalley]

129. since you are obtuse, let me spell out what else you are ignoring:

Tuzla, THE FELLOWSHIP-there's a winner there, caucuses like my state and RFK.

[EFerrari]

10. Another keeper.

"IS IT MERELY THAT THE WORLD IS NOT THE POLARIZED BLACK/WHITE GOOD VS. EVIL CONTEST THAT ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS HAVE CREATED TO SIMPLIFY A MORE COMPLEX POLITICAL PROCESS????"

We need a weekly Head Exploding Ironies thread -- because The Hate Mailbag is already taken. :)

[roguevalley]

130. god, this is funny, sfexpat2000

[BlooInBloo]

11. Dude - get rid of those bell-bottoms.

[dkf]

26. lol.

Hillary's people do tend to come from that era.

[Inspired]

53. Excuse me...I come from that era. I support Obama.

Comments like this make it difficult though and people who make them are just plain ordinary.

[dkf]

59. I was a kid in that era...I guess I wore some too.

I'm just laughing at the idea of someone wearing bell bottoms all this time.

Come on, wouldn't that be hilarious?

[BlooInBloo]

61. I wore em too - lol!

[billyoc]

83. Me too!

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

132. which one are you? Sailor boys are just so darned cute. my dad

was a sailor boy. had HUGE WWII bellbottoms on his skinny little body. what a cutie he was. RIP, my angel.

[billyoc]

135. Oh, nono, that's just a random picture I grabbed.

There are no existing pics of me in uniform, sad to say. ;)

[TLM]

71. I think there is some confusion.... Hillary supporters are not FROM the 60's and 70's...

they're IN their 60's and 70's.

[Raejeanowl]

79. I'm Not...I'm A Mere Baby

And I used to wear bell-bottoms. Now I wear low riders falling off my butt and button-busting midriff-baring, low-necked sweaters. With wedge sandals and a french pedicure. To church.

It's a big style improvement.

[roguevalley]

133. I used to think low riding pants were assinine until my pajamas

rolled over my belly button and it felt good. Even old dogs learn new tricks sometimes. :+

[dkf]

94. Yeah, but they were adults in the era of bell-bottoms.

Did anyone escape those?

[TLM]

66. Bell bottoms.... more like flappers.

[cali]

12. yawn. sorry, it is virtually impossible for Hill to win. It has been for

months now. That she refuses to acknowledge that doesn't change it. It's been a hard fought contest, but she's been toast for quite some time.

[VotesForWomen]

158. virtually impossible? let's see how O is holding up in a couple months. nt

[BlueJac]

13. Why yell about it.....deal sealed.

[book_worm]

14. how is it that this upstart from IL beat a nationally known candidate named CLINTON

who was so far ahead in the polls, endorsements and money in 2007? Yet he is beating the former First Lady and US Senator from NY and wife of the last popular Democratic president. Why is that?

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Wow, you can make a fortune over at the political futures markets. Why bother with us?

[dkf]

17. Obama has her beat in pledged delegates. He has sealed the deal.

Now all we need is for the supers, who have been undeclared out of respect for Hillary, to get off their fat asses and tell us who they voted for.

After all, except for a few in Montana and South Dakota, every one of them has already cast their ballot for President.

[nerovitch]

18. What did Obama accomplish in his public life to deserve the Presidency?

The American people would never trust the keys to the WH to an unknown rookie of uncertain background. What did Obama accomplish in his public life to deserve the Presidency?

[swishyfeet]

45. Yours will be a short stay...

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[WonderGrunion]

115. Won the nomination of the democratic party.

N/M

[smoogatz]

19. The deal has been sealed since super Tuesday.

Hillary's just not dignified enough to quit when she has no chance of winning. Good thing she has no chance at the VP. I think she's a little bit nuts, frankly.

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Wow. Are you dusting that old talking point off again. Here's a present for you

Popular Vote™ Pacifier

[Yael]

24. It isn't over.

It is over on Tuesday.

See you then!

[Qutzupalotl]

25. IF YOU HAVE TO SHOUT TO MAKE YOUR POINT IT'S PROBABLY FLAMEBAIT.

Sucka.

[ecdab]

36. It's most certainly flame-bait, CJP loves to fight, which is fine

too bad he doesn't come up with arguments that actually merit attention or debate.

[Inspired]

63. And we might find that CJP was right all along.

:shrug:

[rockymountaindem]

27. If you're so smart, how come you don't realize

that Obama *has* sealed the deal and that the primary is done?

[gristy]

29. Come later this week when Obama clinches the nomination

will you still post tripe like this? Or, in an effort to not be TS'd, will your head explode?

[Patsy Stone]

31. When it really is over,

will you still keep posting here?

[Swamp Rat]

32. Very entertaining Straw Man.

Circus Maximus

[Gore1FL]

34. Clinton said it is normal for the nominating process to last until June

Are you calling her a liar?

[Bright Eyes]

37. Some people don't know when to quit.

[datopbanana]

38. HE DID. IN FEB. YOU AND HRC ARE IN DENIAL EVER SINCE.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

39. Shallow, beleaguered, confused minds want to know...

:crazy:

[dcindian]

40. He did several months ago it is that stupid person stalking him that hasn't realized it yet.

Just like any other sick stalker. 'He hasn't gotten married yet so he still loves me'

[MoonRiver]

41. "thinking minds?"

You will find few of those here.

[ClericJohnPreston]

64. tsk,tsk

you think I didn't know that? I just wanted the "echo chamber" to prove my original hypotheisis.

Q.E.D.

[Seabiscuit]

143. Case closed, counselor. The mountain of evidence here proves your hypothesis is rock solid.

[iamthebandfanman]

42. um, he has?

just because you make the process last longer doesnt change the result.

[anonymous171]

43. lol John Edwards.

[Inspired]

55. Is that funny to you?

I support Obama but I have John's back every time. By the way....he also supports Obama. LOL.

[anonymous171]

57. That was my point. For some reason CJP hates Obama but likes DLCer Hillary.

[Inspired]

65. OK....I was defensive, Sorry.

I also get a little defensive when it comes to former Edwards supporters like myself. I chose a different path but I understand completely where CJP comes from.

[glowing]

44. Hey there CJP,

I don't think this over by a long shot either. Its been a rough 8 yrs. The election process is riddled with very undemocratic principals. Each state has had their "problems". We have report after report in each state primary and caucus of disturbing election fraud. My concern is that these election stealing machines and gimicks will still be in place for the General Election.

Personally, I think this contest for GE is more about selecting what type of Democrat we have to lead the charge and not about the GE election. Are we going old style, dependable Clinton/ DLC style? OR are we going Chicago style with a new set of faces? Who do we trust? AND this is also a year of "HySTORICAL" considerations. Are we going to elect the first woman or the first black person? Its been interesting indeed to watch.

After Edwards, I didn't care.. I was siding with Clinton for a while.. even got my mom to vote for her in March.. At this time if I had a ReVote in FL that actually counted, I'd have to go with Obama. At times my family has called me too daring and much to "risk taking" for their comfort.... I guess I'm going with the risk, the new style. AND really I'm tired of kitchen sinks and heated kitchens.

Do I think she'll give up? I don't know. Its up to her or up to the PTB to decide what continues after the last primary this week. We'll see.

[Faygo Kid]

47. Very entertaining. Will you be with us on DU in another week?

I don't think Skinner and the mods are going to let this continue once Barack seals the deal.

Here's hoping you'll be posting here then, but that decision is of course yours.

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[ClericJohnPreston]

69. How very funy youv are

to invoke censorship of a contest not even over yet.

Is that your understanding of "Democratic"?

I just want to see one clear-headed honest response that admits a MISTAKE. None here.

What does that suggest to you?

How can we as Democrats, use that information?

Hmmm? Thinking yet?

[Faygo Kid]

93. Spell check is your friend.

Oh, and by the way:

It's over.

[Two Americas]

144. is that right?

Only say the approved things or be banished? Are you not actually proving the point the OP is making?

Do people really believe that by suppressing dissenting opinions that somehow helps defeat the right wing? Are all dissenting opinions to be seen as "helping the Republicans," or in the ridiculous extension of that thinking that we see here, "helping Hillary" which I see people claim to be the same as "helping McCain?"

[WA98070]

51. It's all over but the shouting and apparently crying loudly counts. And swearing in a...

formal meeting on national tv.

[Thrill]

52. Because Hillary has convinced her fans she can still win. And women are going to stick

with her to the very end. Again, both of these candidates have extremely loyal supporters

[pnorman]

80. Here's one of those "Clinton-women":

Straight from that DU breakaway, the Dixiecrat Underground!

pnorman

[smiley_glad_hands]

58. Bye, see ya. eom

[billyoc]

60. You're a month behind on your talking points.

This month it's "Count all the votes".

HTH HAND

[TLM]

62. Just because the last clueless rude guest hasn't had the class to leave....

... doesn't mean the party isn't over.

[grantcart]

67. "Thinking minds want to know........" -- Very funny indeed

Why is it that people that refer to themselves as "thinkers" and "thinking people" sound so stupid and uninformed?


Very very similar to perhaps the stupidest man on Television


Glen 'I am a thinker' Beck:






On May 25, 2006, Mr. Beck did a segment about the transgender teen in Indiana, who was barred from a high school prom for wanting to wearing an appropriate prom gown after wearing girl's clothes in school for an entire school year. Mr. Beck carefully analyzed the legal situation the school faced. By carefully analyzing, of course, I mean he called the teenager "Dame Edna" and remarkably "freak boy." Then he announced, "I`m not a lawyer. I am a thinker." So that's nice. So I call him "the Thinker."


ClericJohnPreston is a lawyer which he reminds us in almost every post and a thinker - a 'Glen Beck Type Thinker' lol

[Garbo 2004]

68. The corollary to that is, why if Hillary is the unbeatable candidate, why hasn't she "sealed

the deal?"

Her game plan, as the "inevitable" candidate, was contingent on virtually wrapping up the nom on Feb 5. When that didn't happen the campaign had not done the ground work to prepare for what would later be critical contests for the delegate count...all those primaries/caucuses that her campaign thought wouldn't matter but did.

After blowing huge amounts of campaign cash to an inconclusive result on Feb 5, Clinton had to infuse the campaign with over $11 million of her own money to keep going. Something many other candidates, not as wealthy or not as willing to use their own money, could not/would not have done to keep their campaigns afloat. (Since Clinton often cites the 1992 primary race, it might be interesting to review Tsongas' statement when he dropped out of the race in March 1992 and left the path to the nom virtually clear for Bill Clinton.)

So the question shouldn't be, why hasn't Obama "sealed the deal," but why and how a candidate with instant name recognition, spouse of a fairly popular Dem President and with a huge initial lead in campaign funds, superdelegate endorsements and a lead in the polls managed to let the nom slip away, winding up behind in the delegate count and unable to put away a much lesser known, "upstart" contender.

[Andrea]

116. Your corollary is correct and leads to this question:

Why has neither of them sealed the deal? As of a couple hours ago on CNN, the popular vote difference between the two, in every scenario, is less than 200,000 votes. Can we win with either of these candidates, neither of whom has really captured the Democratic party? Are we worried yet? I am.

What are we going to do about it?

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[Beaverhausen]

73. Ah, more of that Obama-inspired unity and hope

the more things change...

[mopinko]

72. cuz howard won't let him use the tranquilizer gun.

he's such a drag that way. but he just wont.

[Turn CO Blue]

74. How can Hillary beat the entire Repub machine if she can't even

beat grass-roots supporters of Obama ???


Senator Clinton's presidential bid has to be in contention for notation as the WORST-RUN campaign ever!!!!

[papapi]

75. Are you in a TIME WARP or something?

[MattBaggins]

77. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY CANT HILLARITY SEAL THE DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUH HUH HUH????????????????????????

WHY CANT SHE KNOCK HIM OUT??????????????

HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH?????????

Did I use enough punctuation?

[VotesForWomen]

81. yep; i guess the people in PR didn't get the "it's over" meme; and i suspect SD and MT are going to

show significant reversals for O over his showing in other primaries/caucuses in this area.

[alteredstate]

84. Obama is unstoppable and Hillary is beatable.

Your pretentious, all-in-caps posturing doesn't obscure the facts.

[neverforget]

85. If she is so much better, then how come she is losing in delegates?

[Crunchy Frog]

86. Your time here is nearly up. Good riddance.

:hi:

[ClericJohnPreston]

89. Thank Heavens you are not Admin

the day some milquetoast moderate Democrat threatens a LEFT-WING core Democrat for not being a robotic, unthinking echo chamber.

Some Democrat....sneering.....

I know having independent views is threatening to a mind that embraces a monochramic view of the world, but try not to EMULATE RIGHT-WING thinking, mmkay?

[Crunchy Frog]

103. Posting Freeper like shit about the Democratid nominee

will not be permitted on this site for much longer. Better get it out of your system while you still can. :hi:

[Two Americas]

147. suppression

Whatever guise it comes in, whatever the excuse or supposed good cause it advances, calling for suppression of free speech is abhorrent. Calling opinions that make you feel uncomfortable, or with which you disagree "Freeper like shit" is a weak excuse. Is this not what you are saying - "I will be happy when the voices of those expressing opinions that I don't like are silenced?"

[Crunchy Frog]

162. Yes, this board does regularly engage in the "suppression" of free speech.

Freeper like attacks on the Democratic nominee will not be tolerated here, and if you don't like it there's lots of other places you can go to. And yes, I do approve of this policy. I wouldn't be here if freepers were allowed to post here.

[Two Americas]

170. begging your pardon?

I have not made any "freeper like attacks" nor has the OP. As I said, merely arbitrarily declaring opinions that make you feel uncomfortable "freeper like" is an obvious attempt at suppression of free speech.

What is the fear of freepers, anyway? How weak are we?

[Yael]

So you will support him effective Wednesday?

This I gotta see.

:rofl:

[Two Americas]

148. define "support"

If one works for and votes for the candidate, why is that not enough? Must one also watch what they say, lest they be banished? What is meant by this word "support" that is used to bludgeon people and enforce conformity in thought and word?

Could not a dissenter actually be doing a greater service to the party than a mob of cheer leading sycophants?

Why do we object to that logic being used by the Republicans - that dissent over national policy is tantamount to treason - and then use that same logic on each other?

[PurityOfEssence]

88. He's god and you suck

Didn't you know?

The blinkered certainty of many of his supporters denies and derides the opinions of others. He's inevitable, and people will finally get it when they open up their eyes. It's like talking with glassy-eyed, chanting proselytes.

The very fact that an EXTREMELY iffy candidate like Clinton is still in there giving a good showing nearly six months after taking third in the first contest says volumes. Those who love him (much like the Deaniacs and Clark-barkers of yore) are surfing a high that precludes seeing the breakwater they're about to hit. It's astonishing, and what's most stunning about the whole thing is that he's set up to be a punching bag for precisely the hits the reactionaries traditionally use: patriotism, inexperience, naivete and wishy-washiness. I didn't even mention the traditional characterization of leftists as raging barbarians...

Then there's the disloyalty issue. Shall we talk about character judgment? I hope that bus has four-wheel drive...

Note how you're hearing more and more posts of the "even if he fails, it'll be good" ilk; it's a personal crusade for many of the supporters, and the rest of us can be damned.

[Andrea]

118. You have hit all the nails

right on the head!

[Two Americas]

157. excellent points, thanks

I agree that winning the general is not the prime motivation for many Obama supporters. They seek personal expression in the campaign, a drawing of lines and a showdown, and the results be damned. Not only are all Republican voters seen as the enemy, but now half of the Democrats as well. They are right, everyone else is wrong, and each person opposed to the Obama campaign in any way, or expressing any caution or even mild criticism, is to be seen as guilty of everything that any opponent is guilty of.

We are trading away the future of the country for the sake of a few to have an unfettered opportunity for self-righteous expression of their own arrogance and sense of superiority. Too many of them have nothing personally at stake, and don't care much about the fate of those who do. They will leave the country, or retreat back into enclaves of "like-minded" people, and will be insulated from the ravages of the police state and free market nightmare, or profit and benefit from it.

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[Laurab]

91. A truly "Thinking mind" would know and not post nonsense.

Why don't you go look at the math, and if you can - "Think" about it.

[Vinca]

92. Post 7,577 on this particular question.

My response, again, is why is Hillary not sealing the deal if she's the best candidate?

[Two Americas]

159. false logic

That is illogical. Pointing out the weakness of the Obama campaign does not require one to claim that the Clinton campaign is any stronger in order to be seen as valid. The one does not follow the other. You are using a trick of framing for the purpose of deception. Clinton being bad does not make Obama good. Criticism of one does not imply support of the other. In fact, it is the all-or-nothing either/or thinking that permeates the Obama following that the OP is objecting to - not to promote Clinton, but to save the party and the country. You may disagree with that, but mis-characterizing it suggests that you have no strong counter-argument, or that you know it to be true but wish it to not be true.

[AZBlue]

95. Republicans voting in open primaries.

Plus, if you re-ran the primaries today for all states that have voted previously, the results would be extremely different - Obama would have more than enough delegates if that happened, people have moved in droves from Clinton.

[Buzz Clik]

97. If Hillary is soooo electable, why cannot she even dent Obama's lead?

You can't even run as a Dem in the GE if you don't win the nomination.

[dana_b]

98. ask again on Tuesday night. n/t

[Dr Fate]

99. If Hillary cant beat "the elite nut roots" then she cant beat the GOP/media.

In reality world, Hillary is the one who lost and has been behind for months.

[Exilednight]

101. This is what happens when you have a fight with no referee. Obama keeps putting Hillary on ........

the mat, but there's no one there to count to ten. No doctor to see if she is fit to carry on. No one there to enforce the three knockdown rule.

Instead, she gets dragged back to the corner and patched up a little. She then comes out swinging, lands a few blows, and then she gets knocked down again.

No one steps in until the final round is fought, and even then no one will be there to tell her she lost.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

102. He wasn't the perceived frontrunner for a year.

The fact that he beat her is remarkable.

[Tellurian]

104. How can Obama close when he's lost the last 7 elections..

Obama is on a steep Mt Everest slide downhill.

[salguine]

105. IF HILLARY IS SO MUCH BETTER, AND OBAMA IS SO BEATABLE

then why hasn't Hillary sealed the deal yet?

[Blue-Jay]

108. Well, that's just a stupid thing to say.

YOU SHOULD HAVE TYPED IT IN CAPS TO MAKE IT SOUND IMPORTANT.

[kevinbgoode]

109. He sealed the deal when Rush and Ann Coulter endorsed Clinton

as the Republican-surrogate nominee in the Democratic party.

He wasn't supposed to do well, remember? It was Hillary all the way....settled by Super Tuesday - no need to count any more votes after her absolute coronation on Super Tuesday. So who didn't seal the deal? It was the presumed candidate from the very beginning who couldn't seal the deal, despite lining up every possible endorsement, massing the biggest initial war chest, and having the advantage of a former president/hubby to do half the campaigning.

[GoesTo11]

111. Winning is winning. Losing is losing.

Obama is winning, but not gloating.
Hillary is gloating, but losing.

[RBInMaine]

121. If Hillary was so INEVITABLE why has she lost??

[iconicgnom]

122. I was a totally brainwashed Obama supporter, but your argument convinced me!

It's, like, logic or something, and now that I've wakened from my cultlike trance I can't see how so many are so deluded they think Obama might've already clinched the primary. But after reading your argument it's clear as day to me, esp. after Hillary cleaned up in Puerto Rico, that Obama is a loser who can't face reality and who should've conceded long ago. I bet he takes it all the way to Denver out of some delusional sense of elitist entitlement.

[XtraProudDem]

123. I thought you were ignored already

What was I thinking?

Bye bye.

[TooRaLoo]

126. "Thinking Minds"?

LOL.

[KoKo]

127. I think he's defintely "Sealed the Deal" in the MS Media..it's only the Sport of It...

that keeps the MSWHORE MEDIA on this that keeps it going.

[LordJFT]

131. a win is a win no matter how long it takes or how close it is

[quaker bill]

134. Because

Hillary is a reasonably good candidate with consistent support of 44 to 46 percent of the democratic party. Not enough to win but enough to drag things out.

[Lerrad]

136. Here is my take...

First, let it be known that I support Obama.

Obama will be the nominee, that much is obvious, however....

Hillary did fight hard to win this campaign, and it was a close race. It could have turned out a lot different. All Hillary had to do is to be nice, and run a clean campaign, without making up stories, and without trying to change the rules half way through the election. That is all she had to do to win the nomination.

It will now be impossible for her to change the minds of the super delegates. It could have happened, and she could have made it happen, but now it is to late.

[GoldieAZ49]

137. Hope Change Unity

doesn't mean much when you find out the preacher of it is a hypocryte.

Hillary has over half a million more votes than Obama, that came since March 4th. Why is Obama losing more than half of the primaries since his big win in Feb?

Why with all the resentment and anger against Bush and the Republicans, this being a given election for Dems. is McCain tied nationally with Obama?


Looks like Obama and the DNC has screwed the party again, thanks Obama, at least you will be remembered.

[ClericJohnPreston]

138. Empty words

for an empty platform, devoid of specifics, flesh and bone. Hope and change, mere rhetoric, held as a votive for other people's own projections, a cynical campaign strategy timed for the neophytes, who have NEVER SACRIFICED anything of personal cost, for any real change.

Liberalism has never been bought so cheaply, which is why it is so roundly disrespected by true LEFT-WINGERS.

[anonymous171]

140. You take yourself way to seriously.

[Danger Mouse]

141. Reading your posts hurts the 'logical' part of my brain.

[hokies4ever]

142. Yawn! Wake me up when you have some better hitjobs on Obama!

Seriously, this was just boring to read. :rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

145. Boy, it sure must have boiled your blood when John Edwards endorsed Barack Obama.

And I bet you'll just hate to see him win the nomination Tuesday.

Darn.

[VolcanoJen]

150. The Cleric's silence was deafening when that happened.

:hi:

[Occam Bandage]

151. I'm sure his caps lock key was broken that week.

Or maybe he was running low on self-righteousness and forgot to pick some up at the market. Really, it could be anything.

:hi:

[4_Legs_Good]

146. It's only because we have two great candidates who people are passionate about

They each have about 50% support of the Democratic voters.

Not that hard to figure it out. He hasn't sealed the deal because it's a LONG process where these two great candidates are going to split the vote.

He's already "won" because she cannot mathematically beat him in pledged delegates, and hasn't been able to since TX/OH at the least.

So, there it is: The reason. PERIOD

David

[VolcanoJen]

149. Oh gawd, not you again

:eyes:

[ClericJohnPreston]

160. Is that how they speak in the midwest?

Substitute "Gawd" for God, or are you a Fundie, afraid to type the word? Or is it Grandma speak?

And by the way, I'm happy to be around to make your day :)

[LaurenG]

153. Stop insulting us and get on board. The "war" is over. nt

[FlaGranny]

156. Ummmm. He has. n/t

[texas_indy]

163. And yet HRC can't put this "newbie" away, she is LOSING, why? Thinking minds want to know.....

She is supposed to be such a WELL KNOWN CANDIDATE, eh? Why haven't all the SDs who have worked with her since 1992 come out in force and made her the nominee, eh?

Why haven't all the folk who worked with her and Bill rushed out to endorse her and MAKE her the nominee? They could have done that already, so why haven't they?
Maybe they see something in HRC they don't like and don't want her to be the nominee, eh?

Says a lot when your co-workers who have been working with you for 8 years, and many who have known you for 18 years, don't rush to support you, eh?

[Life Long Dem]

165. A primary system working at it's finest.

is just no match for Obama, no matter how good, perfect, or pure he is.

[lojasmo]

168. It's all over but the crying. EOM