CNN projects Puerto Rico to be 70% to 30% for Hillary

[sunonmars]

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#PRDEM

[stray cat]

1. Hillary is actually winning college graduates there - thats a group she has had trouble with.

[MADem]

13. Well, I know people with doctoral degrees who support her.

That demographic bullshit is just that, bullshit.

[stray cat]

24. Agreed in that case Obama rocks with voters of all ages and all colors

including WV since I know a few people of every type that voted for him...

[XemaSab]

2. By my calculations

that would put Obama around 1,999, and Hillary around 1,820. (Not counting Florida and Michigan).

I can live with that. :)

[anonymous171]

3. I bet $30 she says "PR is a must-win for democrats in the fall!"

[Skidmore]

18. McAulliffe is saying on MSNBC that they still have a "long way to go"

this week at the same time the crawl on the screen is showing there is something like maybe 28 delegates up for grabs in the last two states.

[Doityourself]

41. ha ha..I heard that bullshit...wtf? As Russert just said...its' over

[Yael]

27. ROFL!

Now that would totally crack me up.

[Hart2008]

39. We need PR eletoral votes to win in November...

Of course, Puerto Rico's electoral votes are zero, zippo, nada, nothing!

[Bicoastal]

4. Good for them!

Hillary spent an awful lot of time there, while Obama mostly stayed up in South Dakota and Montana, sealing the deal.

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. I didn't know PR was part of Appalachia now

[rodeodance]

22. shameful

[MADem]

37. Shameful, ungracious, undemocratic, un-Democratic, too.

The sort of shit normally heard in rightwing circles. Racist, with a broad brush, to boot!

Vicious bastards hereabouts. They insult people who don't agree with them--which isn't a smooth way to convince people to join their miserable little team.

Imagine what they'd be like if they were BEHIND in the delegate count!

[roguevalley]

64. you run in packs. enjoy your moment. it counts for so very little

but I am happy for you. After that eleven state winning spree of Obama's, it must have been tough.
Also, we unlike you will vote for the nom. Even if we have to hold our nose, we would. that is how bad McCain is.

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[thewiseguy]

7. Rethugs there voted overwhelmingly for Hillary

Those who had a strong favorable opinon of George Bush voted for Hillary by a 87-13 margin.

Those who had a strong unfavorable opinion of George Bush voted for Hillary by a 57-43 margin.

[bluestateguy]

8. So?

???

[cali]

9. celebrate today. it's your last opportunity. Obama will win SD

and MT big, and be endorsed by several dozen SDs on Tuesday.

[Submariner]

10. Low vote turnout

I heard that reported, and since I work in PR often I've learned one golden rule; "Don;t f*ck with their holidays and weekends."

They treasure their time off more than others I have worked with, so I bet most are at the beach or on top of El Yunque.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. 41% of the voters were over 60. nt

[depakid]

45. Seniors are a VERY reliable demographic. The youth vote is not.

Historically, that's been the pattern.

Maybe it will change this time, but that would be betting against decades of experience.

[VotesForWomen]

52. yep, some of these Obamites act like this is their first election. maybe it is. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

58. Those who think they have won, when it is clear to everyone that they have lost....

are the ones "acting" like its their first election

[democracy1st]

12. I love Puerto Rico but what bs,they can vote in the primary but not in the GE

[kwenu]

15. They don't pay income taxes. That's why they keep voting to remain a commonwealth with no GE vote.

[MADem]

17. Well, that's because they aren't a STATE.

Take it up with Howard Dean if you don't like their voting in the primary.

Push for PR statehood if you want them to vote in the general.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

14. Good. Maybe she'll stay there.

Learn Spanish. Run for Governor. :shrug:

[BigDDem]

16. Maybe Obama can find a church there

[FrenchieCat]

20. Maybe he'll keep God Portable, since only he has to pass religious test.......

mention as not required in the constituion,
all the while small minded bigots keep bringing religion up as though they have a bible stuck up their asses.....as hypocritical as they are.

[BigDDem]

63. I could no more disown....

oh wait, never mind.

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

65. at least they aren't nazis like hillary's family, the fellowship.

[TahitiNut]

23. I hear they're opening a new church: St. Hillary of Ark Catholic Church

St. Hillary, 1993
Watercolor and gouache over graphite
on illustration board
Published in the New York Times Magazine,
May 23, 1993

[rodeodance]

25. they do not seem to like him so much

[Doityourself]

46. Bullshit...you're uninformed obviously...

Exit polls on MSNBC showed Hillary was voted for mostly on name recognition and history..her unfavorability rating is 8%, his was 10%, guess what, most (37%) said they just didn't know enough about Obama and knew more about Clinton.

[rodeodance]

53. too bad

[Doityourself]

57. Yeah too bad for you...know the facts before you go around spewing bullshit..Rodeodancer

[roguevalley]

66. that's okay. its not like she can depend upon them in the GE.

[Tatiana]

19. The pro-state hood people turned out to vote.

The independence and status-quo folk stayed home or didn't bother voting.

[FrenchieCat]

33. LIke when was she gonna give them Statehood?

What happened between 1993 and 2000 when the Clintons were in power?

Folks are soooo gullible, that it is truly sad.

[Tatiana]

48. She told those people what they wanted to hear.

And the statehood people are more energized. I can see why they were motivated to turn out. They do not have a majority on the island. The majority is for association with the U.S. and a small percentage (3-5%) in favor of independence.

[rodeodance]

54. just like obama panders

[Tatiana]

60. I love you too rodeo. Really, girl. Drinks on me. I like your style.

:hug:

[BlooInBloo]

21. Congratulations to her on her first non-race-baiting win in gawd-knows-how-long!

[rodeodance]

26. Shame on you.

[Joe the Revelator]

59. SHAME ON YOU!!!!----SHAME ON THE TRUTH!!!!!------

[JVS]

28. Don't be so sure. Hillbots were really big on latino vs. black racism, really hoping to benefit

[BlooInBloo]

29. Don't burst my bubble man! I'm workin HARD here to say something nice about her!

[FrenchieCat]

30. Who knows what she was telling them.....?

Stuff like....You guys are Brown people...and that's a sight better than being 1/2 Black and 1/2 White...!
You Brown people are slightly better than those Black people...and Speaking Spanish just makes all of the difference in the world. :eye:

[sunonmars]

31. you mean like Barack in SC and NC, two can play that game.

[BlooInBloo]

32. Sure two can. Clinton and Wallace.

[FrenchieCat]

40. No....like Hillary did in Nevada......before South Carolina

Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Hispanic expert, publicly articulated and Hillary agreed that this was an "historical Fact".

“The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” —Clinton pollster Sergio Bendixen
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/01/12/clinton-pollster-latinos-too-racist-to-vote-for-obama

Clinton at Root of Racist Stereotyping - Hispanics vs Blackswashingtonpost.com — Where did this come from? "Hispanics traditionally do not like Blacks." Since when? This is a racist, divisive falsehood that the Clinton Campaign has created and nurtured as a 'historical statement' in an attempt to pit the political arena against Obama. First mentioned by a Hillary pollster and then affirmed by Clinton herself. There is no proof.
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Clinton_at_Root_of_Racist_Stereotyping_Hispanics_vs_Blacks

A few weeks ago, Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Hispanic expert, publicly articulated what campaign officials appear to have been whispering for months. In an interview with Ryan Lizza of The New Yorker, Bendixen explained that "the Hispanic voter - and I want to say this very carefully - has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

The spin worked. For the last several weeks, it's been on the airwaves (Tucker Carlson, "Hardball," NPR), generally tossed off as if it were conventional wisdom. And it has shown up in sources as far afield as Agence France-Presse and the London Daily Telegraph, which wrote about a "voting bloc traditionally reluctant to support black candidates."

The spin also helped shape the analysis of the Jan. 19 Nevada caucus, in which Clinton won the support of Hispanic voters by a margin of better than 2 to 1. Forget the possibility that Nevada's Hispanic voters may have actually preferred Clinton or, at the very least, had a fondness for her husband; pundits embraced the idea that Hispanic voters simply didn't like the fact that her opponent was black.

But was Bendixen's blanket statement true?

Far from it, and the evidence is overwhelming enough to make you wonder why in the world the Clinton campaign would want to portray Hispanic voters as too unrelentingly racist to vote for Barack Obama.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713782

[rodeodance]

56. good gawd--your hate is spilling through the screen!

[roguevalley]

67. can't handle direct quotes from real people. so sad. that hate thing,

its your problem. can't stand facts, go to that other site. they can't either.

[Enrique]

70. that's disgusting

throwing around those baseless racial accusations so thoughtlessly.

Racism is a real thing, not something for you to play with.

[BigDDem]

72. Sweetie, you need some rest

[FlaGranny]

34. MSNBC stated

that the majority of Puerto Ricans voters called themselves conservatives and Hillary got most of those votes.

[thewiseguy]

35. She is leading 93-7 right now.

[thewiseguy]

36. 71-29

[thewiseguy]

38. 68-32

[BlooInBloo]

42. Oh boy... Here we go again....

Just kidding - this one will actually end up being big. :P

[JVS]

47. remember how 1.47 rounds to 2?

[BlooInBloo]

49. (sighs) Good times, good times.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Which will result in a minor footnote in the history of the campaign of '08.

[GoesTo11]

44. Some math

So, Obama needed about 62 delegates going into today (I have seen various numbers ranging from 61 to 67, but usually the lowest number is just the most up to date), following the DNC agreement on FL and MI.

This gives about 16. Brings him down to 46. He should net about 18-20 from MT and SD. Leaves 26-28 more SDs he needs to clinch the nomination. That is probably a number he could line up to announce at will. Wonder if they could do it just before Tuesday, so the primaries put him over the top and he can have a real victory speech.

[swishyfeet]

50. 79% have family members who live in NY. (exit polls)

Not sure what that means, but I find it a remarkable statistic.

[helderheid]

51. WOW!

[Zynx]

62. That's one of those things that makes America such a special place.

[RoadRage]

55. Fantastic... so she'll definitely take PR in the General Election...

Oh.. wait.. that's right, they don't get a fucking VOTE in the General Election.

Why in the hell are we even talking about PR then?? :eyes:

[BigDDem]

68. Why in the hell did the lovely Michelle and Barack go there?

[RoadRage]

69. Simply to keep the press from saying "Why didn't Obama even show up in PR"

"Does he not care for hispanics"? Well, this will surely impact his ability to convert hispanics to vote for him in November.. another demographic he absolutely won't be able to carry. :eyes:

[mystieus]

61. This victory doesn't count because Hillary outspent Obama.

[RoadRage]

71. Ohh.. and it doesn't count because NONE of them vote in the GE..

Talk about a useless primary. :eyes: