May 31st 2008 is a day which will live forever in infamy.nt

[anamnua]

[GarbagemanLB]

1. The day the rules were upheld. The horror!!!!!

[Ravy]

8. You saw a different meeting than I did.

They weren't "upheld", the rules committee realized they were wrong in taking all the votes away and backed down from their extreme position.

But then, over 4 votes, they interjected themselves above a certified election of a state, using the excuse that the vote was tainted because THEY TAINTED IT.

Most were so blinded by their political choice that they did not see the ramifications of their actions, nor did they see the gross injustice that will contribute to more disunity in the party, and potentially votes in Novemeber because of it.

For four delegates (2 actually, when halved).

They should have taken away Clinton's argument.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. You are aware that the extreme rules were voted for by Harold Ickes

you DO KNOW THAT?

Just checking

[Ravy]

43. I am aware that they all voted for them...

and all should be permanently removed from that committee for being dipshits to not know what was going to happen or for being spineless and going along with the dipshits.

I am glad they backed down yesterday, but it wouldn't have been a big issue in the first place if they had just followed their own rules.

[RichardRay]

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[DJ13]

3. You are so right

Neither state should have counted.

[kdmorris]

10. LOL

She (he?) is obviously upset because all the delegates weren't parceled out the way Hilary Clinton wanted. And I find it offensive, being married to a veteran, being the daughter of a veteran and the sister of a man currently serving in the armed forces to equate a rules debate and decision (whether you believe it to be right or wrong) with the death of so many sailors and the destruction of the base at Pearl Harbor.

[YDogg]

4. payday?

[kdmorris]

5. Seriously?

The day that a fucking decision was made on a fair way to parcel out delegates equates in your mind to the destruction of Pearl Harbor and the day that 2388 people lost their lives? That isn't even including the thousands wounded who later died and the destruction of the Navy ships that day.

Wow, you people are REALLY stretching things now.

[MadHound]

6. Yes, it is the day that it became clear to everyone that Hillary, her campaign and her supporters

Aren't in it for the good of the party or the country, they're in it for Hillary and her naked ambition. They are willing to sacrifice the good of the party and the country on the alter of her ambition and greed. May 31st is when that became apparent to all, I hope you're proud.

So are you going to vote for Obama in the fall, or will you be another petulant Hillary supporter, voting for McCain out of spite?

[K Gardner]

7. *snicker* So now we're on to Pearl Harbor? What happened to Zimbabwe?

[MethuenProgressive]

9. It's the day the Obamacrat Party split from the Democratic Party.

The day they told 20 million Democratic primary voters to 'kiss their ass'...

[newmajority]

11. No, it's the day the Democratic party told the DLC to sit down and shut the fuck up!!

And it was long overdue.

[QC]

29. Does that include DLC chief economist Austan Goolsbee? n/t

[EFerrari]

31. How do you operate in DC without doing business with those people?

Maybe it will be possible after January.

[QC]

45. "Doing business with" is not exactly the same as "putting in charge of economic policy." n/t

[EFerrari]

46. I can't deny that. The least attractive aspect of Obama is

his too near relationship with DLC policies, ideologically if not materially. I have no illusions about that part.

[QC]

51. I agree.

I began the campaign wanting to like him, but between McClurkin and Obama's "pro-business" policies regarding tort reform and the like, I couldn't pull it off.

[EFerrari]

53. I like him well enough but he's just much too conservative for me.

The wild card is how teachable he is and which way he will drift.

The upside is, he has less luggage going in.

These decisions are always a negotiation.

[QC]

56. My great hope is that his supporters will hold his feet to the fire

once he's in office. Then he might, as you say, prove very teachable. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

[TheWraith]

16. What 20 million voters are those?

Because unless Clinton supporters count differently than other people--an argument I wouldn't put past you--those 16 odd million will simply have to exercise the maturity of knowing that in elections, sometimes you lose.

[nebula]

20. Hillary told MI and FL to kiss her ass

when she signed a pledge that their votes wouldn't count.

Harold Ickes told FL and MI voters to kiss his ass when he voted in FAVOR of the current DNC primary rules back in 2000.

what a pair of self-serving two-faced hypocrites!

[MadHound]

21. No, it's the day that they upheld the rules of the party

I realize that in Hillary-world, rules are simply inconveniences to be ignored, but out here in reality we try to adhere to them.

What's really sad about you Hillary supporters is that if the rules were truly to be upheld, neither FL or MI would get any delegates. But Hillary and her supporters have managed to whine and cry enough that the party decided to come halfway and compromise. Yet you whiners are saying that despite this gesture of compromise and generosity, you still think that you're being screwed. Get the fuck over it, you're like a small child, one who is going to whine and cry until you get what you want. Just a bunch of whining, crybaby losers. If you can't suck it up, realize that you're not going to get your way, then just fucking piss off. I'm tired of dealing with your ilk, nothing is going to satisfy you until Hillary has stolen the nomination, and I'm sorry, that's just not going to happen. So go fucking cry somewhere else, I'm tired of it.

And frankly, if you want to go and cut your own throat by voting for McCain or third party, or stay home in the fall, go ahead and fucking do it. I'm tired of mollycoddling a bunch of whiny crybabies who are never going to be satisfied and who would sooner backstab you than support you. So go ahead, take your ball home and sulk, at least you'll be out of the way and we adults can go about the business of beating McCain unimpeded.

[sendero]

26. People who..

... can kiss mine as well if they cannot follow the fucking clearly defined and necessary rules.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. You do realize that most of those 20 million voters didn't watch?

Hell, most of them do not know harold ickes from Karl Rove....

They really don't

They will vote for the democrat in November.

This inside baseball crap truly does not matter to most voters on EITHER side.

Hope you get it by November

[Doityourself]

42. 20 million...now that's funny. You're gonna be okay...

[tekisui]

49. 20 million is a number from your ass.

[Blue-Jay]

58. Drama Queen.

[PretzelWarrior]

12. for Clinton supporters maybe

the rest of this wide world? May 31st 2008 is just a blip on the radar.

[EFerrari]

13. Self importance amok.

Good grief.

[anigbrowl]

14. Yes, Harold Ickes is an embarrassment.

[JVS]

15. What, you guys are the ones who wanted the meeting.

[Thrill]

17. The Day Republicans acted like Hillary supporters with a fake protest

[WeDidIt]

18. A picture is worth at least two words

[grantcart]

19. You are 100% correct

1961 - Republic of South Africa was created


And no matter how great a day it was for the Democratic Party in DC it will not undo the shame of that day 47 years ago.


Saturday was a great day for all of us but thank you for reminding us that it still remains a day that will live forever in infamy.

[neverforget]

22. No that would be December 7, 1941.......

[MercutioATC]

27. Hey! I knew FDR. You're no FDR.

...well...ummm...no, I didn't.


That said, it's a popular misquote. FDR actually said "A date which will live in infamy".

[neverforget]

23. No that would be December 7, 1941.......

[anonymous171]

24. Another one who believed that seating the delegations without penalty would somehow

put Hillary ahead.

[still_one]

25. How can you trust someone who agrees on the rules, and then says they should be ignored

This primary has been quite illuminating for me. It demonstrated how dishonest Senator Clinton IS

She voted for the IWR, probably not out of principle, but because she thought it would gvie her a political advantage
She voted for the Kyle/Lieberman ammendment for the same reason
God knows why she voted for the use of Cluster Bombs in civillian areas

After her campaigns demonstration after the rules committee, I could never trust her to keep her word

[Ravy]

48. Yes, the nerve of Obama representitives going there and wanting

the delegates seated after the rules said they wouldn't count.

[sellitman]

28. Your OP lives in infamy.

The rules were upheld.

Bite me.

[EFerrari]

30. This pancake will live in infamy.

[papapi]

33. Tora! Tora! Tora! or whatever the fuck.

[Carolina]

34. yes it was a D

as in Damn fine day. The rules held sway and the bitchy spoilers and cheaters didn't get their way.

Those who upheld and played by the rules prevailed while those with situational ethics got slapped down.

Now go away.

[last_texas_dem]

35. No, it's a day, the significance of which will be forgotten by the end of this week.

[tammywammy]

36. Yes, as the day my A/C broke

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

38. OH MY GOD THEY LET BLACK MUSLIMS VOTE!

EXPEL THEM FROM THE COUNTRY! DEPORT! DEPORT! MAKE ENGLISH THE OFICCIAL LANGWIJ! GOD DAMN ARUGULA! HE'S A MOOSLIM! A LYING BLACK MOOSLIM!

[Peacetrain]

39. You are so right.. the day that

an illegal election .. with three fourths of the candidates left off, .. was dealt with as best as could be done.. it will live in infamy

[Lucky 13]

40. Justice served. Unity Acheived... for most...

Irrationality of the few exposed. You guys sure did represent yourselves honorably at that meeting. :eyes:

[phrigndumass]

41. ...

Amy Whine-house

[WillyT]

44. Drama... Meet Queen !!!

:wtf:

[Catherina]

47. As opposed to *click* Jan 04th 2008? ROFL! n/t

[Gore1FL]

50. Yeah.. The changed the rules for Hillary mid campaign and that sort of sucked.

But as an Obama supporter, I'll get over it.

[salguine]

52. Actually, if the rules were truly upheld, she'd have gotten nothing.

The rules were bent for her—which never should have happened.

[Garbo 2004]

54. Reduction to 50% delegate votes is mandatory minimum penalty per rules.

(100% penalty not required by party rules.) The rules committee voted to accept the MI and FL state party proposals which were in keeping with party rules and the mandatory minimum penalty. The rules weren't bent for Clinton.

[vaberella]

57. she came out on top

yet, Obama is to blame for everything...

[BigAnth]

55. EXACTLY!!! She got way more than she deserved....

in the spirit of COMPROMISE, a concept that some Clinton supporters seem unable to grasp.