Please educate me. How in the HELL can Hillary claim winning the popular vote?

[rateyes]

:shrug:

P.S.--You can't convince me if you give zero votes to Obama from Michigan.

[NJmaverick]

1. because she is a pathological liar, like her husband?

:shrug:

[Carolina]

21. you said it

those Hillbillies will do anything, say anything and then tell you otherwise, i.e. don't believe your eyes, you misunderstood, blah, blah, blah

Pathological, narcissistic, sociopathic, craven, deceitful... are among just a few perfect descriptives for them.

[YDogg]

2. by making shit up?

[ClassWarrior]

3. To borrow a phrase...

Fuzzy math.

NGU.

[Thrill]

4. Disenfranchising the Caucus state voters

[stray cat]

5. The zero for caucases in the Clinton counts of popular votes also doesn't work

[Botany]

6. Because you can say anything ... the truth doesn't matter

:grr:

[Diamonique]

7. It's Clinton math.

You don't have to understand it. You just have to believe that she's better at math than everyone else on the planet, and take her word for it.

[Hepburn]

8. How? Same way she got the story about sniper fire in Bosnia out.

Seems like she lies very well....JMHO. :hi:

[senseandsensibility]

9. Don't count caucus states

Never mind that the Democratic primaries are not set up on a popular vote model. There is no way to get an accurate count, which is why she likes this talking point. Also, cable news heads have almost all bought into this, and are repeating it endlessly today, so the Hillary side has succeeded with this ridiculous diversion.

[EFerrari]

10. She can claim anything and her base will believe it.

Ask them about her narrow escape from snipers. :shrug:

[rateyes]

11. Glad you all are setting me straight on this one...

now, I get it. :sarcasm:

[BeatleBoot]

12. If only he would have put his name on the ballot in Michigan

People who run for office usually do that.

It's a prerequisite for getting elected.

To put your name on the ballot.

[rateyes]

17. You mean, if only he had broken his pledge/promise/word not to

participate in Michigan the same way Hillary did, right?

[Carolina]

24. yes, he and Edwards and Richardson and Biden...

the ones who abided by the rules! When MI broke the rules, thereby meaning the primary was not going to count, they all took their names off the ballot.

You Hillbots have questionable, situational explanations to match your questionable situational ethics.

[BeatleBoot]

31. But Hillary's name was on the ballot

And Michigan's primary did count. Didn't it?

I watched C-Span yesterday.

Talk about situational explanations.

[dkf]

13. Its not the popular vote...its the Shmopular vote!

[sandnsea]

14. She and her supporters are psychotic nuts

I have learned so much these last few years. What it was like to live in Nazi Germany. What it was like to have phony elections in the Soviet Union. What it's like to be a man dealing with a pscyho bitch.

[Shae]

15. She sucks at math. . .

2118 is the only number that counts.
2 + 1 more days.

[greguganus]

23. She just plain sucks. n/t

[rocktivity]

16. There is no popular vote total

because if you include the states which had caucuses, four of the them never reported their vote count. Also, what do yo do about Texas, which had a primary AND a caucus?

:headbang:
rocknation

[tandem5]

47. As far as Texas is concerned - you could not participate in the

caucus if you did not vote in the primary - so the popular vote tally there is valid as the caucus voters were a subset of that total.

[rocktivity]

48. But that's only ONE way to look at it

An equally valid way to look at it is that since Obama won the majority of the delegates in Texas (which is, after all, the objective of primaries and caucuses), its popular vote shouldn't be given more weight.

:headbang:
rocknation

[tandem5]

49. The topic was the ambiguity of tallying popular vote totals

and I was strictly pointing out that the popular vote in Texas is unambiguous. The popular vote is and will continue to be an unofficial metric in the nomination process and so to argue the invalidity of that number because of a differing delegate allocation is irrelevant. The nomination process has discretion beyond pledged delegate allocation via the super delegates. For the super delegates to cede their vote to the pledged delegate metric is to completely nullify their reason for being. So indeed there is a popular vote count - in fact there are several, all waiting to be accepted, rejected, or completely ignored by the super delegates.

[azmouse]

18. She counts by banging pots and pans together.

It's all she has left.

[last_texas_dem]

19. The same way she claimed PA as her home state?

Hey, she's the "Goddess of Peace", and the Goddess of Peace can do whatever the hell she wants.

[C_U_L8R]

20. There is no such thing as popular vote in primaries (or the GE for that matter)

it is a bogus argument put forth by deceptive people.
The primaries are run on a state by state basis to select delegates.
Period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to pick your pocket.

[billyoc]

22. The same way she can claim to have won all the states that matter.

By making shit up.

[MattBaggins]

25. It is really very simple

Count 100% of her votes.
Count 98% of his votes.

She wins the popular vote.

[MattBaggins]

26. Delete dupe

[stray cat]

27. Basic math skills have been steadily decreasing in the US

[K Gardner]

37. In the United States, such as, Iraq, such as....

[AZBlue]

28. She lies a lot.

Like, all the time.

[CakeGrrl]

29. She can't. She and some of her supporters are desperate to claim a "win" at any level.

even if it means selective exclusion of votes we know that Obama WON yet can't even be fully tallied.

:crazy:

[MonkeyFunk]

30. so the only accounting you'll accept

is one that somehow creates nonexistent votes for Obama in Michigan? Yeah, that's reasonable.

[rateyes]

34. Wrong. I won't accept accounting that

pretends that Obama has no support in MI.

[PseudoIntellect]

32. because Hillary has created an alternate reality where it is okay to say that

caucuses don't count, and that she ALWAYS supported "everyone's" votes.

[hokies4ever]

33. She lies so much people have stopped fact-checking her.

:rofl:

[cloudythescribbler]

35. creativity!

[vaberella]

36. I don't know either...

I even went to check around and fell on realclearpolitics.com and they had a number of voters and this is the total, which means Obama DOES have the popular vote.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

If you can count Michigan, which no one can since that was a completely skewed process, I believe the same is for Florida...she meets by default.

[TexasObserver]

38. How? Easy. Same as everything else. She'll lie about it.

[Vinca]

39. They omit Obama's votes in Florida, Michigan and the caucus states.

She's probably claiming Martian votes, too.

[against all enemies]

40. Depends on what the definition of "popular" is? Probably Bill's definition.

[apocalypsehow]

41. All those accountants who got fired at Enron? They found new jobs...

[rateyes]

43. LOL. nt

[Blue-Jay]

42. "new math"

Only count to your own advantage.

[Doremus]

44. The new Rovian math

Just pick a number you want and keep repeating it

and repeating it

and repeating it

and repeating it

And soon some people will believe it.


Nothin' to it!

[MzNov]

45. she opens her mouth

and puts on her biggest "I'm Winning" smile, and just spews spews spews :rofl:

[butterfly77]

46. Some is seriously wrong with Hillary ...

and some of her supporters, they are ranting and raving because they really do believe that she is suppose to get 100% and he is suppose to get 0 and they think this is right.

With that kind of thinking she has no business leading this country and no way should she be vice president. Plus,her argument is making sure every voters votes count..