Bonoir on MSNBC: "We had the votes to get a 50/50 Michigan split"

[hokies4ever]

Just said this on MSNBC. Says that they opted for the 69-59 split in order to get a few more Clinton supporters to vote for the Michigan resolution.

[Carolina]

1. yet that still wasn't enough of a compromise

for the Hillbilly cheaters!

[Raine]

14. Yeah "no good deed goes on punished" ...

bunch of spoiled brat crybabies! :puke:

[anonymous171]

2. BUT HE STOLE 4 DELEGATES FROM HILLARY!

[Carolina]

15. you forgot the

:sarcasm:

[Heather MC]

22. How do you steal 4 out of zero?

When they went into that room at the start of the meeting, both Candidates had Zero Delegates.
And lets be honest, if Hillbilly was in the lead, that meeting yesterday, may never have happened.

but of course she doesn't understand the difference between being thrown a bone, and being thrown a bone with some meat on it
:rofl:

I know you are being Sarcastic. but when i read you post that was the question I asked out loud
:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

3. Just heard that.

Wow.

I still wish he'd just give her the four delegates just to see what they'd do then.

[southern_belle]

7. after all the headaches she's given him?

I wouldn't give her anything! ;(

[Patsy Stone]

9. Not even

a bus ticket out of town?

[quantass]

4. Obama camp certainly was OVERLY generous when they clearly were able to get a 50/50

[hokies4ever]

11. Had to appease the Hillary supporters

as well as Hillary herself. Now if she wants to go to the Convention over a couple of delegates when she will be down by 200+ delegates will make her seem like she's in it only for herself and not for the party.

[SoCalDem]

20. Maybe Pelosi will schedule her speech at 3AM

:)

[KittyWampus]

5. IMO, both FL & MI were invalid and both should have been 50/50 simply as a concession

to the states, their delegates and the voters.

[Endangered Specie]

6. Give them an inch, and they want a mile

[Pirate Smile]

8. They also had the votes so that Hillary would have netted 6 delegates instead of 19 out of Florida

but they didn't do that either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3333816

Obama Forgoes Chance at More Delegates, Looks to Heal Wounds

Source: The Wall Street Journal

Democratic party rules-committee members said Barack Obama turned down two chances to increase his share of the disputed Florida and Michigan delegates. He instead instructed his supporters on the committee to agree to seating plans for the two states that allowed Hillary Clinton to narrow his lead by perhaps 19 votes, they said.

-snip-
Committee members said there were enough votes to pass a motion splitting the delegation in half — giving each candidate 64 delegates and 32 votes. But they said the Obama campaign, which has long argued for the even split, urged his supporters to drop that plan and vote instead for one that slightly benefited Clinton.

Committee members said the Obama campaign also urged them not to pursue a plan that would have advantaged the Illinois senator in Florida. The issue there was whether to cut the delegation in half, or to allow a full delegation to attend the convention with members getting a half-vote each.
Under the half-vote plan agreed to by the committee, Clinton gets 19 more votes than does Obama — 52.5 to 33.5 votes. Under the half-delegation plan, she would have netted six votes more than Obama because of complicated proportional representation rules.

Committee members said the Obama campaign instructed them not to pursue the half-delegation option.
To put those 19 votes in perspective: Clinton also netted a combined 19 delegates from her big wins over Obama in Ohio in March and Pennsylvania in April.

[thoughtcrime1984]

10. And all he is getting for that is more grief, bitching, and chants of "Denver"

from *some*, not all of her campaign and supporters. That leads to me believe that *some* will not support him no matter what he does. Just the fact that he is going to be the nominee has made *some* turn against him, and that is sad. He probably should've went for all he could get, because the venom is the same, regardless. Unfortunately.

[BeatleBoot]

12. His name is Bonior - not Bonoir

[hokies4ever]

13. And your screen name is nitpicker, not BeatleBoot

:rofl:

[BeatleBoot]

25. Yeah, that's it

[Peace Patriot]

16. That's interesting! Obama must feel pretty confident of the support of most

Democratic politicians and voters (and independent voters), and confident about himself and his campaign, to be operating at such fine margins as to strategy. It is also consistent with his style thus far--calm, unflappable, not given to low-road politics (and not disturbed by them)--and masterful use of his assets (his campaign team talent, his million-donor fundraising strategy, his accumulation of early strength in caucus states (non-Diebold counted votes), his attention to every state, however "unimportant" it was deemed by Clinton strategists, and so on). It's been like watching a good chess game--especially the mind-game part. (Someone mentioned "The Art of War" in connection with Obama's campaign.) It's certainly one for the history books. Who would have thought, six months ago, that Hillary Clinton was beatable? Obama and his team obviously thought so. I sure didn't. I cast an anti-Clinton vote (for Obama), in California, just after Edwards dropped out, figuring Obama would be the next to fall by the wayside, and we would then have a fall campaign in which the Iraq War would never be mentioned. It would be as if the war never happened, even though we're still there, killing Iraqis. Like Humphrey's campaign in 1968. A million dead. A million more about to be dead. And both candidates essentially in favor of it, no matter what they said (Nixon and his "secret plan" to end the war; Humphrey hogtied to LBJ's awful war)--so, essentially no discussion.

Then....what happened? Democracy happened. Brilliant campaign strategy happened. And here we are, with a candidate who actually opposed the war that SEVENTY PERCENT of Americans now oppose (and that 55%-60% opposed back at the beginning, just before the invasion). Incredible! Really. I am amazed. And impressed--as much with Obama's undauntable supporters, as with him and his campaign. Cuz I felt daunted, and sad, and full of deja vu--and was thinking that this is going to be a long, long struggle to get our country back from the war profiteers and the global corporate predators. Even with South America as an example (I'd been studying what's happened there--an astonishing, peaceful, democratic revolution), I didn't think we would make much headway in the near future. Obama is a surprise--even with my reservations about him on policy--the success of his primary campaign means that the American people are on the move. They are activated. They are not going to allow silence on this war, for one thing. They are the essential ingredient for change, and they are demanding it.

This intriguing little bit of Obama strategy--his giving up the vote he could have gotten, for a 50/50 split of MI--bodes well for November. Obama is smart, very smart. I never thought Clinton was dumb, and I don't now. But Obama and his team were smarter. And the reason they have been so successful, way against the odds, is that they trust the people more, and the people--hungry for positive leadership against warmongering (which Clinton could not provide)--rallied to them.

[ErinBerin84]

17. Lanny Davis is such a piece of shit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/memo-to-obama-campaign-wh_b_104566.html


"Senator Obama says at this stage he wants to promote party unity. The DNC Chair Howard Dean says the same thing. The party "leaders" we hear about more and more in the media say the same thing.

Yet when it came down to the crucial moments during Saturday afternoon's deliberations of the Rules Committee concerning the seating of the Michigan delegation, Senator Obama and his supporters on the committee drew a bright line over four delegates. Why?"


Do you think when Obama is the nominee, the Huffington Post will stop enabling this bullshit peddling, or will we be subjected to endless Lanny Davis articles about how he is "concerned"?

[Skip Intro]

18. Well why did they take delegates from Hillary and give them to Barack?

Certainly doesn't seem, oh...Democratic.

[hokies4ever]

19. 4 half-vote delegates = 2 delegates

Obama is essentially challenging Hillary to take it to the convenetion over 2 delegates. If that's what she does, good luck bracing from the superdelegate flood. :rofl:

[RichardRay]

21. Because that's what they thought was fair

and it's their job to make those choices.

It's really not all that hard.

[ecdab]

24. The delegate split was the recommendation of the Michigan Democratic Party.

So I assume that is who you are referring to when you say "they".

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

23. Did you see that post about lame Lanny in the Video section?

babylonsister put up? Too funny!

Link~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x140598

[Whisp]

26. ugh. creeps me out too. like a talking rat would.

which reminds me, a bit off topic..

i read somewhere (probably dailykos) that one of the prerequisites for the obama campaign when they were rounding up people was
'no assholes allowed', think that was Axelrods request.

so then that led me to believe the assholes couldn't get into the Obama camp and had to settle for Hillary's. makes perfect sense.

so maybe not so off topic. Lanny Davis is most certainly the anus type.