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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:40 PM
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Hillary's popular vote asterisk, and how she lost the nomination
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 PM by ProSense
Hillary went from enjoying near royalty status as a former First Lady, campaigning with Bill, a two-term former President, with a powerful machine behind her to fighting for an asterisk next to a bogus popular vote total in a delegate battle she lost. Her campaign isn't giving up.

McAuliffe: Obama has Latino 'problem'

Ken Vogel reports that the Clinton campaign is using the results to openly argue that Barack Obama has a problem with Hispanic voters – an idea Clinton backers have previously only behind the scenes.

“It was a 100 percent Hispanic primary and it shows that he has a problem with the Latino community,” Terry McAuliffe, campaign chairman for Hillary Clinton, told a handful of reporters after polls closed Sunday. “He cannot close in this key core constituency,” McAuliffe added.

Voters in Puerto Rico are in some ways different from Hispanics living stateside, both because there’s a long tradition of racial mixing and because elections here tend to center around the debate over whether the island should remain a commonwealth or become a state or an independent nation. They also don't vote in November.

Clinton has fared better than Obama with Hispanic voters in previous primaries. And her campaign has argued to superdelegates that she’d do better than Obama against presumptive GOP nominee in key states with large Hispanic populations.

CNN exit polls in Puerto Rico found a surprisingly high 31 percent of voters admitted the race of the candidates was important in their decision. Of those, 63 percent voted for Clinton and 37 percent for Obama.

“It helps make the case that we would not have to expend resources to win a natural Democratic constituency,” said Puerto Rico Senate president Kenneth D. McClintock, a Clinton co-chair and superdelegate. If Obama is the nominee, McClintock asserted that in order to win the Hispanic vote, Democrats “would have to divert resources that we would otherwise spend on other campaigns.”

But McAuliffe’s assertion Sunday that Obama has a Hispanic “problem” was more direct than any the campaign has made publicly to date.

In a conference call with Clinton campaign donors last month, the campaign’s liaison to superdelegates, Harold Ickes, asserted McCain has “very favorable standing with Hispanics because of his position on the immigration bill.”

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Contrast this to what Obama had to say about Hillary winning the PR primary:

"I just got off the phone with Sen. Clinton. She's gonna win Puerto Rico and I wanted to congratulate her for that," he said, before going on to praise the New York senator, saying the party would be unified for the general election and that she would be "a great asset when we go into November to make sure that we defeat the Republicans, that I can promise you."

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Delegates Obama needs to win: 47

Up for grabs after PR:

31 pledged delegates
204 super delegates

Flashback from the day after Super Tuesday. How Obama destroyed the Clinton machine and the Hillary's inevitability:

Barack Obama Crosses the 50 Yard Line

February 06, 2008 - 09:46 AM | by Brian Young

Momentum is one of the most overrated aspects of contests. That’s not to say it doesn’t exist; it does. But the importance of it is continually overstated in all aspects of competition, from sports to politics.

There’s a saying in baseball: momentum is only as good as the next day’s starting pitcher. You may have won 6 straight and feel like you are on a roll, but you’re throwing out a chump starter against Josh Beckett, you don’t have momentum going into the next day. That’s just reality.

So it is with politics. Momentum is real. When you win, people talk about you in good ways, which exposes the best of your message to more people, which creates excitement, etc, etc. But it’s only as good as the next contest. If you are fundamentally behind in that next contest, you may not be able to catch up, and your “momentum” suddenly seems to disappear. But that’s just because it wasn’t nearly as strong a force as people thought it was.

Which brings us to this primary season. The chaotic nature of this primary season isn’t really chaotic at all. The beginning of this primary season went across states where each of the two Democratic candidates had clear advantages. Obama had a great Iowa organization, and he was from neighboring Illinois. Clinton had a massive well of support in New Hampshire and the support of the Shaheen machine. Clinton had support from the institutional party in Nevada plus a deep well of support among Hispanics. Obama had the overwhelming support of the African-American community in South Carolina. Sure, hindsight is 20-20, and the NH and NV races were very close, but the fundamentals in each race favored the eventual winner.

But last night, Barack Obama broke that trend. He began to play on Hillary Clinton’s side of the field.

It showed in some individual states, mostly MO, DE, CT, and NM (no matter who wins the final vote in NM by a hundred or two). But, more globally, February 5th, by luck or design, was Clinton’s day. The makeup of the primaries and caucuses was almost perfectly designed for her. You had the machine states of the northeast in NJ, MA, and NH; a neighboring state of CT that gets much of its media from NY; a clump of states bordering Arkansas; the Hispanic-rich Southwest; and then some caucuses sprinkled elsewhere. Caucuses are supposed to put a premium on organization and networks (and they do), and the clear belief among most observers was that Clinton would have the strongest organization by far. And all of the other states are right, smack-dab in the middle of Clinton’s demographic or geographic wheelhouse.

This was supposed to be coronation day. But something happened on the way to the coronation.

Barack Obama grew an organization that dominated the caucus states. He put pressure on Clinton in the northeast, even picking off CT and DE. He poached the largest of the border states in MO. And he fought her to standstill in the southwestern state of New Mexico. He didn’t completely collapse her bulwark with wins in NJ, MA, and CA, but that would’ve been the end of things if he had. Clinton still has a strong campaign, so that was very unlikely.

But Barack Obama’s is now stronger. He has crossed the 50-yard line and started to take the fight to Clinton. Now, with a string of states more friendly to him (caucuses this weekend, VA-MD-DC next week), he can begin to wear down the Clinton campaign. He has a larger activist organization by far, and he is beginning to put some distance between them in the money race as well. And he’s gaining mind-share all the time among the American people.

Now the terrain is much more friendly for Obama. The states are better for him, and he’s starting to assert some control. This is a tough, hard-fought campaign between two heavyweights, so the normal narrative of momentum and collapse just doesn’t fit. It’s all about the slow establishment of control, and right now, Obama is moving forward much more than Clinton.


Meanwhile, Obama did the unthinkable, trouncing Clinton's money edge by energizing an unusually large base of core supporters. To put his records in perspective, consider Tuesday's primary electorate. The candidates split about 14.6 million voters in 22 states. Obama's donors equal a striking 9 percent of his Super Tuesday turnout. Add the non-donor supporters that Obama has engaged, from office volunteers and decentralized phone bankers to the unprecedented 1.13 million people publicly declaring their endorsements on social networking sites, and over one out of ten Obama voters are essentially activists. That is a historic development for a presidential campaign. It means that a large share of Obama's base will not merely vote for him once, but repeatedly devote time, money, social capital and personal credibility to back his candidacy.

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edited title and for clarity.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:43 PM
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1. She is going to be torched after Tuesday. The Supers are chomping at the bit to be done with her.
And they will.

They are just patiently waiting to give her every benefit of the doubt.

But they will enjoy being rid of her. Her career is over.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:48 PM
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2. She is a huge disappointment as a Democrat.
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:49 PM by ProSense
It was interesting reading all the threads about unity and how Hillary will realize and make a graceful exit. All the talk about moving on, and the Hillary comes a victory speech after the PR primary and blows all the arguments to shreds.

That's been the way of the primary for months. Hillary does something, everyone gives her the benefit of the doubt, and she never fails to make fools of her apologists.

On to Denver, says Hillary.




edited for clarity.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:53 PM
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11. Arrrgh, edited for sense
It was interesting reading all the threads about unity and how Hillary will realize and make a graceful exit. All the talk about moving on, and then Hillary give a victory speech after the PR primary...
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:55 PM
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3. Not only as a Democrat but, imo, as a person for whom I had some measure of respect.
That, however, is ancient history at this point.
She has no conscience and no limits.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:45 PM
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4. A lot of people expect Hillary to concede after Tuesday.
We'll see.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:33 PM
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17. This would come under the category of "Too Little, Too Late."
:hi:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:53 PM
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5. good read
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:16 PM
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6. Thanks.
The "50 yard line" article is really good.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:26 PM
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7. So???
Obama is kissing up to her and her supporters. He needs their help to win in November.

:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:32 PM
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9. You misunderstood,
no one gives a shit about threats. Just vote.

Obama will win.



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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:44 PM
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10. I will vote............for everyone on my ballot,
except the top of the ticket.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:04 PM
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13. Would that be your nose you are cutting off to spite your face?
Or every Pro Choice woman in America's
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:30 PM
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21. I was in DC yesterday, believe me, plenty of women will not vote for Obama.
The anger was beyond palpable, it was sheer fury. The line was drawn on the sand and these women will not forget by November.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:04 PM
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14. McCain thanks you in advance.
:crazy:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:12 PM
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16. So??? Vote, don't vote , who cares?
Like I said, no one is interested in BS threats.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:45 PM
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19. one week and you are history here.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:44 PM
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18. manners and etiquette, that is what he did. she could use some herself
but that would be difficult to do when you are naturally entitled.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:29 PM
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8. The only one who has a problem with Latino people is Terry McAwful.
As if Hillary's campaign doesn't use RACISM enough!!!!!

What a racist thing for such a lilly-white piece of shit like McAwful to say about Latino people.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:59 PM
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12. "popular vote asterisk" I like that
An interesting trivia question in the future - who got the most popular votes.

Sort of like the Chicago Cubs getting the most stolen bases in a season. Interesting, maybe, but certainly not as significant in terms of winning.

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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:07 PM
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15. Obama has won the popular vote and it's proven here.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:26 PM
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20. That's just sad
Her team wins PR, and all they can think of to do is say that Puerto Ricans have an issue with Obama's race?

The more the Clinton Machine creaks along, the more I lose respect for the people still riding on it - the new 29%.
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