After a Nominee is Chosen: Seven Days to Get it Out of Their System - Why?

[K Gardner]

I have a problem with this. If this were three months ago, fine. But it's not.

When we have a presumptive nominee, the time for fighting on DU will come to an end. The squabbling will not drag on until the "official" nomination at the convention in August. The transition to general election mode begins when we have a presumptive nominee. And we have no doubt that the vast majority of our members -- regardless of which candidate you support in the primaries -- will be glad to move forward and support the nominee.

We understand that not everyone will be prepared to immediately put the primaries behind us. There will be some jerks on the winning side who insist on gloating. And there will be some sore losers on the other side who will want to keep attacking the nominee. Once we have a presumptive nominee, those people will have one week to get it out of their systems. We believe that a one-week transitional period is more than fair for those of you who cannot switch gears easily or quickly. After this week-long adjustment period, we're done.

At that point, the moderators and admins will step in and shut down the primary infighting. The vast majority of people on this site will be glad to be done with the primaries. Sadly, a very small number of bitter partisans will not be able to let it go, and will likely be removed from this community. Few people will miss them when they are gone.

As usual, we will continue to permit constructive criticism of the Democratic nominee and of other Democratic candidates and officeholders. We will also continue to permit sincere, non-disruptive expressions of ambivalence toward the nominee. But we will not permit politically motivated attacks designed to tear down the Democratic presidential nominee.

Now, the Obama-attackers - those who still post regularly here - knew long ago Clinton would not get the nomination. Yet they still continue to post Right Wing attacks, rumors, flamebait and smears because they are given free rein to do so. Even now, they understand that in 48 hours, this thing is over. They have the next two days to "get it out of their system". Why do they need another seven days? After enduring attacks on the inevitable Democratic Nominee for months now, they get yet another week. I don't believe this is either fair to the Democratic Party, to the nominee, or to US - the overwhelming majority of people who post on DU.

We want to celebrate our nominee and get on with the General Election battle. We have a fight on our hands. I simply do not see how allowing partisan attacks on Obama to continue for SEVEN (7) more days will benefit anyone. Quite frankly, most of us know who the handful are who will continue to attack, and they will do it maliciously and deliberately, simply because they can. It is not fair, in my opinion, to hold the rest of the board hostage and confine us to a place where we have to continue to see our nominee bashed repeatedly by a very insignificant number of people. Enough of that has been done this season.

So I am asking, with respect to Senator Obama, and with respect to those thousands of us online here who will support him, and considering the vitriolic attacks he/we have already had to suffer through this primary season.. please reconsider the "Week of Anger/Adjustment" clause and close this place down when Obama reaches his magic number on Tuesday or Wednesday. Allow those of us who have followed him and supported him to celebrate with the rest of the nation, and the world. Allow us to support him in Peace and with Unity, and to make this day a time of celebration - the beginning of the journey forward to take back our country. There is simply nothing to gain by allowing seven additional days of hate. It seems to me it has all been said and said again.

Please recommend if you agree.

[enough]

1. A week is nothing in this media/political environment. Anyway, what are you going to do about it?

This isn't a matter of somebody "allowing" the anger or not. It will just have to dissipate in the face of reality. Several members of the Rules Committee showed how it's done yesterday.

[bluestateguy]

2. That could be a very long seven days here at DU

Some of the Hillary people could take advantage of every minute of that time to launch the most ferocious attacks on our nominee, knowing full well that they will be tombstoned.

[K Gardner]

5. Yes, that's my fear.

[KittyWampus]

6. i'm kind of looking forward to it. Going to take everyone off Ignore just to watch the flameouts

it's going to be awesome.

[boppers]

26. I've been watching for weeks. It's hillary-ious.

:)

[rox63]

3. I disagree - Give them their 7 days

It takes a while to get past grieving. And it may give them a chance to rethink things and come over to the light.

[emilyg]

4. I'd vote for 24 hours.

[AllentownJake]

7. 7 days is fine

Normal rules still apply. Threads will be locked if they are flame bait or offensive.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Let them have 7 days. It's reasonable. It doesn't halt the Obama campaign. NT

NT

[Whisp]

52. i can't imagine the new flood of diarhea that will be shat in those 7 days

from the few (yes, there are very few real obnoxious insane Hillary supporters, they just Seem like tribbles)
to disturb an historic celebration.

7 days is waaaaay too long.
I'd give 24 hrs at most, 12 hopefully - to pack your bags and get out of Dodge or shut up and fight McCain.

only two choices.

[Eurobabe]

68. LOL, the mental bathroom images,

:spray: :spray:

This place will be one giant SHART for 7 days.

[NC_Nurse]

9. You can always stay out of the forum for a week.

It might be interesting to see who makes the transition and who doesn't...

If it's too awful, maybe I'll get a life...:o

[K Gardner]

11. Yeah, there's that option ! LOL..

[K Gardner]

10. Thanks to everyone for offering their opinions.. much appreciated :-) Sometimes it

helps to see a different POV ! :hi:

[IndyOp]

12. One week from this Wednesday (or Friday) is not a problem.

August -- now THAT would be a problem. :eyes:

[Lerkfish]

13. I didn't approve of the Clinton campaign wanting to change the rules, so to be fair

I also don't approve of changing skinner's rules. I think a week is fine.

the problem is, who defines when we have a presumptive nominee? Obviously it can't be Clinton, but as long as they are arguing "its not over" you'll see an even uglier time here.

personally, I think the definition of "over" should be after the last primary, when its clearly not mathematically possible for Clinton, instead of the convention (even if clinton vows to sow discord at the convention)

but, its skinner's site, he can make whatever rules he wants.

[FatDave]

46. I'd say 2118 delegates would be a good "it's over" indicator.

A far better one than a Hillary concession. Granted, the two may come in rapid succession, but I wouldn't put money on it.

[babylonsister]

14. I think a week is fair, too. There are some who have to consider

which direction they want to go in. No one has to vote for the presumptive nominee, but they have to respect him. Criticism is allowed, too, as long as it's constructive.
I think the admins are just trying to be fair; some of these people are card-carrying, donation-paying members in good standing. I say let them have their week.

[K Gardner]

15. Thanks Babylon & Lerkfish.. good points from both of you :-)

[Olney Blue]

16. It's hard to lose, please be gentle with us who love the Party more than any

candidate.

[K Gardner]

18. .....

:hug: :hi:

[Olney Blue]

Back at you.

:hug:

Mr. Obama has run a damn fine campaign.

[Yael]

33. It took me WEEKS after JRE dropped out.

I was so disappointed. The Los Angeles debate was horrific without his voice in it and Super Tuesday was nullified for me because he didn't reach viability anywhere. I really thought he had the support in California to pull 15% (plus early voting).

I can appreciate what Hillary's people are going through.

It is the attacks on another candidate in our party that I lash out against.

[SoCalDem]

17. I'd give them no more than 48 hours to get it out of their systems..

If they are unwilling to give it up, there are plenty of other places where they can happily go to drown their sorrows and bash Obama...like Free Republic, or the shadow-site they already have...


Seeing as how Hillary ...L O S T.. on March 4, they have had ample time to "get over it"..and they haven't , so why not just give 'em 48 hrs, and then give them a pizza party

[leftynyc]

80. They're Skinner's rules

You don't like them, you could stay off the board for that week. There are plenty of web sites for you as well.

[LowerManhattanite]

19. I voted for four days when Skinner had the “suggestion box” post up...

And that would have worked well here with the way the calendar is shaping up.

1.) Wednesday
2.) Thursday
3.) Friday
4.) Saturday
And one for good luck, 5.) Sunday

Monday we'd have started anew.

Trouble with the week thingy for me is that you're basically giving folks two more days carte blanche to go out in a blaze of ugly glory trashing the place. I shudder to think of what ugly words and visuals we'll see tossed up here as people “get it out of their systems” (because you know, folks just can't control themselves...) while also knowing that there may be a light hand on the tombstone wand because emotions will likely be running high. It just extends the time for this place to be painted as a laughingstock of disunity, Plus, outside interlopers will also take advantage of the time to sign up and get THEIR WORST AND MOST HEINOUS shots in too.

Just my 2¢ worth.

[K Gardner]

23. Your last paragraph hit it kind of spot on.

[Yael]

35. Good point. They should disable registration for the "adjustment week"

[Crunchy Frog]

43. Maybe they could ban new posters from GD/P during that week.

Genuine newbies would just be scared off by it anyway.

[billyoc]

20. The tortured screams of the damned will be like a sweet lullaby to me.

:rofl:

[K Gardner]

21. Billy !! At least you guys are makin me laugh about it, instead of dreading it.. thanks !

[billyoc]

27. haha. Unfortunately, I got so excited to start that I emptied out my Ignore list too soon.

It's like dumping a dirty mop bucket on the dinner table! yuck!

[K Gardner]

29. See what you've been missing? LOL..

[KittyWampus]

76. Come On, it's going to be great. I will empty my Ignore list just to enjoy the flame-outs

[Beacool]

22. What else is new?

Reading this thread and its responses, as arrogant as their leader. Seven days, seven weeks, seven months will not change how some of us feel about Obama.

We'll just either leave or hide or feelings, but not our beliefs.

[K Gardner]

25. "As arrogant as their leader"... "7 days won't change how we feel about Obama".. thanks for

kind of making my point.

[Zhade]

65. You don't have to change how you feel. You just have to stop lying about Obama.

NT!

[BootinUp]

24. just for spite, lol. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. I have to laugh at this thread

"Now, the Obama-attackers - those who still post regularly here - knew long ago Clinton would not get the nomination. Yet they still continue to post Right Wing attacks, rumors, flamebait and smears because they are given free rein to do so..."

I think you are a bit confused about what this board is: a democratic board where democratic ideas and candidates are discussed. This is not an Obama board and anyone who has a different opinion should be banned.

You who were one of the more vitriolic Clinton haters has the nerve to suggest that long ago Clinton supporters should not have been able to defend themselves or their candidate from the constant baseless attacks.

[Zhade]

66. Pointing out the truth about her proven lies isn't a baseless attack.

You will not be allowed to continue lying about our nominee.

[Yael]

30. Are you kidding? That week is going to be spectacular!

The flameouts will be legendary.

I don't want to miss a thing.

:popcorn:

[K Gardner]

37. Yael... LOL.. ok, just don't hog all the popcorn :-)

[City Lights]

31. Skinner's post also stated that we get a presumptive nominee when one of

them drops out. If Obama reaches the magic number and she doesn't drop out, then what?

[Hoof Hearted]

32. If you have a problem with it you should probably go start your own goddamned forum then.

[K Gardner]

39. You sound so angry. A nice hot bath with Epsom Salts and Lavendar Oil might help.

[Hoof Hearted]

67. You're the one who marched on here with your "problems" I suggested a solution.

This ain't your house.

[Upton]

Geez, it sounds like you might need more than 7 days

[apocalypsehow]

48. Ease up & chill out. All that stress can't be good for a soul. n/t.

:mad: + :smoke: = :hippie:

[yewberry]

34. Meh. What's a week?

I don't think it's a big deal.

[mudesi]

36. Troll detection. Let it be. (nm)

[Major Hogwash]

38. Flame retardant suits are required for the next 3 days.

After that, we're giving out invitations to pizza parties.

[Arkansas Granny]

40. If you have a problem with this, you should probably PM Skinner instead of starting a thread.

[Snarkoleptic]

41. Somebody mow the back 40, we're going to need room for tombstones.

Most of the stealth repukes and hillyis44 folks will want to go out in a blaze of glory.

[Crunchy Frog]

42. I'm okay with the 7 days, just so long as I know that there's a time limit

on the current madness, and that it will be over. It's the indefinite waiting that's driving me nuts.

[JohnnyLib2]

44. Perhaps it isn't just Clinton supporters who need the 7 days?

It doesn't seem to me that there's been much decrease in the anger level toward Sen. Clinton and her campaign, as reflected on GD:P. And that's regardless of delegate count and (ahem) "several" declarations that "it's over."

JL2, potential Obama supporter, definite Democratic voter in November.

[tnlefty]

45. Slight problem. It was really refreshing for me to watch the members

of the Rules Committee yesterday and to see the civility, until Harold Ickes started. I saw him this morning with his divisive yapping and more yapping about taking this to the convention. I saw McAuliffe earlier today from Puerto Rico further fanning the flames. So, there are many supporters who can't let go because this carrot is being dangled in front of them.

I know women who didn't vote for Obama in our primary, and I know women who are going to be crushed by the results of this primary. Until her campaign gives the signal that it's time to move on, her supporters are going to be stuck and unable to accept the result and move on.

When Kucinich dropped out, I wasn't happy and regrouped to Edwards and when he dropped out it took me a while to move on, but at least he suspended his campaign and sent the signal. Until the signal is sent disappointment and anger will be (mis)directed at anyone, or anything that seems to be getting in the way.

Just my $.02.

[Eurobabe]

71. Exactly, Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Kooch, Richardson, and even Gravel left with dignity

It seems like Clinton wants to keep up the dysfunctional baiting until election day so that Obama loses. 2012 anyone?

:eyes:

[tnlefty]

81. I honestly hope not.

Her supporters need some time to adjust, get over the disappointment and then help go after McSame. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the signals are quietly being sent and that it will end soon.

McSame is just not an option.

[Auntie Bush]

47. "When we have a presumptive nominee, the time for fighting on DU will come to an end."

Then why don't you take your own advice and stop the fighting at every made up opportunity? You don't want to stop the fighting...you encourage it! You really just want to shut everyone up who doesn't think like you and your precious candidate. Get off you soap box and let Skinner make the decisions. What make you think he needs decision making help from you?

[Whisp]

49. i think Skinner thot it would be over on Feb 5 too.

and you are absolutely right, this week long declimatizing, at this point long in the game, is waaaaay too long. Pretty well everything to be said, aside from another big talking point from the mass media (ha!) people gravitate to like sharks has been said about 1578 times.

it's been weeks and weeks and it's wearing everyone down.

other blogs have have made stands long ago and from I see, there is far more peace on those than on here. People on other forums almost sound human.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. "I simply do not see how allowing partisan attacks on Obama ..............."

Partisan?

What are you talking about?

Everyone here supports a Democrat. What do you mean by 'partisan'?

[K Gardner]

55. I'm certainly not going down that road. Interpret it how you will.

[Stinky The Clown]

57. Okay, sure ... throw it out there, whine, then walk away from what you say.

Its crap like this that keeps party factions fighting.

[K Gardner]

58. I've discussed this and responded to rational people on this thread. You're not one of them.

[Name removed]

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[Stinky The Clown]

79. So lemme try to understand you fully .......

........ if people agree with you, they're rational. If someone disagrees with even one word you used (as did I), they're irrational?

Is that about it?

How liberal of you.

Close mindedness is neither a virtue and nor liberal.

(I stand by the post you had deleted, too.)

[kenny blankenship]

63. Partisan:

1. an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, esp. a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance.

If you don't know the meaning of a word it's a simple matter to LOOK IT UP.

[Stinky The Clown]

73. Thanks Kenny

You're real good with that Google there, aintcha?

You and I both know what it means in context, so can the smart ass act.

This party better figure out how to heal and better do it damned fucking fast. You're not helping.

[Straight Shooter]

51. "Allow us to support him in Peace and with Unity ..."

You sound like a high priest delivering a prayer over a sacrifice.

Believe me, you and your fellow Obama supporters will find plenty of ways to keep your guts churned and your tempers flaring, with or without the Hillary supporters in this forum. I wished you all good luck yesterday and the first response by an Obama supporter was to jump on me because I didn't phrase it as if I thought Obama was a good thing for everyone.

[Lucinda]

53. LOL....I'm gonna bookmark this one.

[slinkerwink]

54. In full agreement with you!

[Mezzo]

56. Oh, so you wanna change the rules midway through teh game, eh?

Kinda like taking your name off the ballot, and then crying when you don't get any votes.

[K Gardner]

59. My candidate isn't the one who lost by every possible metric. And yours is the one whining about MI

so no cigar there.

[Cheap_Trick]

60. or it's kinda like agreeing that the votes won't count

until your losing ass is far behind and now you NEED them. Kinda like that, eh?

[kenny blankenship]

61. Because the 39 DAYS since Pennsylvania JUST WEREN'T ENOUGH

[EFerrari]

62. I think a week is a reasonable amount of time to give people

to make whatever adjustments they need to make. People need deadlines and seem to do better when they know what to expect.

[Zhade]

64. But I was really looking forward to telling them "I fucking told you so, assholes".

Because, you know, I have zero respect for idiots who willingly choose to support a proven liar like her.

[FrenchieCat]

69. I'm may have to leave DU until the coast is clear.

7 days is too fucking long for me.

I already feel like I have been tortured for eva!

[Major Hogwash]

70. Don't worry, we have coast watchers out, as we speak.

No signs of any sinking ships yet, but there is one listing to the right quite a bit in New York harbor.

LoL

[greguganus]

74. lol. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

75. :) We'll hold the fort down while you're out.

[jgraz]

77. Oh cmon, Frenchie. It's gonna be fun.

I'm clearing my ignore list in preparation for the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments. :evilgrin:

[Psyop Samurai]

78. "If this were three months ago, fine. But it's not."

Yup.

And it seemed quite reasonable when Skinner made that post.

But it has since become crystal clear that a certain faction has been weaponized against us, and has no compunction about taking us all down with them.

This assessment is coming from the opposite of a "party loyalist". Nor do I "switch gears easily or quickly".

--edit to add---

Unlike many, I don't consider this a game. I am not a "political junkie", nor do I like politics. It mostly sickens me. I take no pleasure in any of this.