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Sun Jun-01-08 07:04 PM
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I have one thing to say to those who are purge happy... |
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Stop being such an asshole for once in your miserable lives. Seriously, you guys are intractable morons.
We won't accomplish anything here at DU or across this country in this pivotal election year if we are busy purging to party trying to create some kind of ideological purity. Anytime these sorts of rectification efforts have been tried in any historical context the result has been disaster. Now is the time for a united front against the Republicans and not for trying to administer loyalty tests and ideological purity exercises.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:06 PM
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2. I agree. The Dems should welcome socialists with open arms! |
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:07 PM
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You mean we weren't welcome before?!
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:17 PM
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21. Just as long as we voted for the DLC candidate and shut up. I mean really welcome! |
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:07 PM
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Time for somebody to speak out about all these budding young (and not so young) totalitarians in our midst.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:07 PM
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5. I agree about UNITY. that is all. I'm sick of the nasty posts. |
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We all want change and unity. Quit being nasty.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:08 PM
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How much more do I need to do or sacrifice to or bend to appease those who arent interested in even making a partial effort?
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:09 PM
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9. Once the contests are over, you'd be amazed at how things will come together. |
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Some people are naturally far too competitive and can't drop their blinders when a contest is on, but they'll come around.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:13 PM
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17. I have dropped mine with the supporters |
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not so much with her or the campaign.
I am just tired of having to appease people holding their votes for ransom.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:29 PM
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27. It's not appeasement. Spinning it as appeasement is part of the problem. |
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Appeasement is when you give in to an unreasonable demand in order to maintain the peace. But it's not unreasonable for almost half of the party to expect their concerns and opinions to be addressed. This isn't like a general election, where the "winning party" gets to completely ignore the needs and wants of the "losing party"; if all Democrats (including the millions who support Clinton) don't feel welcomed and *wanted* by the larger party, then the party suffers.
Nobody owes the Democrats their vote; it must be earned. If Obama takes control of the party, it becomes his responsibility to earn the votes of the people who didn't trust him in the first place. That's not "appeasement"; that's fairness and smart politics, and it's also democracy.
All voices matter. Not just those who've backed the winning horse all along.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:31 PM
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and I have welcomed them.
I am sick of seeing more threads saying I will never vote for him, why should I vote for him, etc etc.
Sorry, if you are a dem you will support the dem nominee.
I am done dealing with these people who want to hold their votes ransom.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:51 PM
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31. There's really nothing to be done about people who are determined |
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that they won't vote for Candidate X under any circumstances. There are Clinton supporters who swear they won't vote for Obama *ever*, and Obama supporters who swear that they'll drop him like a hot potato if he chooses Clinton as his VP. They're both of the same ilk, and should rightly be ignored.
I agree that we all need to get behind the nominee, but I also recognize that the people who've supported Clinton all this time deserve to be assured that their concerns and thoughts aren't going to be ignored just because they "lost". That's the kind of attitude that tears the party apart more savagely than either candidate's actions alone ever could.
Democrats don't treat each other like we treat Repukes, and yet...that's exactly what's been happening. Until that stops, healing will come slowly and incompletely, if at all.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:01 PM
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34. Those are the "dems" that I have no problem |
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if they would like to purge themselves.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:40 PM
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...it would be cathartic. I understand a heavy dose of rhubarb helps. Raw. No custard.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:44 PM
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41. Ooooh I have a little stalker tonight! |
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And what are you demanding for your vote tonight Jo? A jetski?
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:49 PM
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47. You wish you had a stalker |
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Eat your rhubarb. Ever tried it raw?
PS - Don't eat the leaves. They are poisonous.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:51 PM
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50. Perhaps you should start by eating crow? |
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:10 PM
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...having a different opinion to yours?
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I doubt we have different opinions. Just different candidates.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:34 PM
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Figure out what is next. Can you do that? Can I? I do have a few suggestions (beyond the rather extreme suggestion of rhubarb) but I have no idea if you are capable of them.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:53 PM
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54. They don't have to support our nominee. They just have to stop lying about him. |
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Or they WILL meet the banhammer.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:39 PM
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38. Why don't you just still your little voice |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:45 PM
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43. Perhaps once you stop making outlandish demands |
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some of us fed up with your demands will calm our voices.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:51 PM
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48. Link please for those demands. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:56 PM
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you stated you were writing Clinton in.
I'd suggest withholding you vote from the dem nominee is quite enough.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:02 PM
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65. I don't see that as a demand. |
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There's nothing I want from you or other O supporters.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:04 PM
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68. Nope, you just want McCain to win |
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and I'd suggest that's plenty.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:07 PM
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70. You are so funny. Carry on. |
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You need to have more confidence in your candidate.
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it sounds to me like you might need to put the party ahead of one selfish person.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:11 PM
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74. I always put the party first. |
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Plan on voting D downticket. Yes I'll write Clinton in.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:14 PM
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78. So how does it put the party first |
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by withholding a vote for the Dem nominee?
Oh that's right, it doesnt.
That's ok, I'll be sure to volunteer for Tasini or whatever dem is running against HRC for senate in 2012 here in NY.
We're even.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:18 PM
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80. The party is much more than the Prez. |
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but the Prez is the most important position within government.
Withhold your vote, be my guest...but like I said I am happy to work against your candidate in NY if you have zero problem in not showing your support for the dem nominee.
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Sun Jun-01-08 11:24 PM
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97. I feel strongly you should do what you want. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:13 PM
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you choose a different Obama pic.
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So much for that.
But of course you can pick the pic you want.
I just think that one does not work. (Just a personal view)
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:22 PM
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I happen to like it. It's not here for your approval.
Perhaps you'd like a new set of pots and pans?
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:25 PM
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Yes please. And that new jetski. Wow. Thanks.
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Some pics are better than others. We can differ on that of course.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:51 PM
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49. My outlandish demands? |
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What exactly are my demands beyond a desire for your civility? Pray tell.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:52 PM
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51. Perhaps you should check your posts... |
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on the attack again I see Jo.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:00 PM
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Please enlighten the eager public.
And meanwhile - eat your rhubarb. And leafy green veggies. Good for you.
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The enlightenment needed is at a level I cannot provide for you. Use the search function for any other enlightening needs you might have.
And again, enjoy that crow...you can chew on it now through November...however I would imagine it's pretty rough.
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You seem to be living in a bubble of your own invention. You are inventing enemies.
May I suggest that your energies would be be better spent working toward democratic victories in November. I am not an enemy of the democratic party nor of democratic candidates. Nor of you. Please stop with the divisive nonsense.
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please check your own posts and get back to me on that.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:28 PM
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...and check your own too sweetness.
(Eat your rhubarb and support the democratic in November.)
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:42 PM
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95. Please cite any of those posts. |
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I do have my views. I have always had my views. I have believed that HC would be the stronger candidate in November There are many other things I have believed about the chances and relative merits of the many excellent candidates for this years nomination. That is just the beginning of a long list. The main wish is for victory in November. You have a problem with that?
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:58 PM
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61. Send it to John Edwards |
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sweetie. OR - send me the money.
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62. OOOOOH a sexist Clinton supporter |
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why is that not surprising?
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64. How is sending a JetSki to Edwards sexist? |
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It was a joke on Colbert. You DO watch Colbert don't you?
(Eat your rhubarb.)
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67. How is calling me sweetie not? |
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Especially when you were all freaking out when Obama called a reporter sweetie.
Enjoy your crow.
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69. But you ARE a sweetie |
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sweetie. With the charm offensive and lack of sense of humor and all. Women have no sense of humor. Surely you know that.
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71. Charming as always... |
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more sexist remarks.
You dont need a jetski, sounds to me like you need a little vacation...
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The sexism is yours in this instance. Although sexism affects all of us.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:26 PM
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90. Please show me how the sexism is mine. |
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Please, I am a woman who supports Obama and not Hillary, but alas, that makes me sexist.
Welcome to my ignore list Jo. I just cleaned everyone out hoping you Hillary supporters had chilled down. Not the case.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:29 PM
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to be on your ignore list. Please put me on it immediately.
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In the end it won't matter anyway.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:08 PM
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7. I think you're wrong (sorry) |
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The Obama camp openly welcomes anyone, including any moderate Republicans who desire change, but the Clinton supporters who are openly declaring war on our party arent even acting like moderate Republicans, they are acting no better than the diehard neocon side of the GOP, and we shouldnt have to endure that kind of person regardless of party affiliation.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:10 PM
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12. Obama's campaign does, yes. However, there is a small group of morons |
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here that want to purge anyone who even thought of voting for Hillary.
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16. No, they want to purge those who seek to undermine our party |
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:14 PM
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19. Noooo...I have seen many go quite a few steps farther than that. |
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Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 07:14 PM by Zynx
Also, the phrase you just used is so subjective I could apply it to anyone.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:17 PM
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20. Undermining our party is now, somehow, "subjective"? |
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I think its pretty obvious what that means, but whatever.....
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60. I wish that's all it was. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:09 PM
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8. People are just venting. Don't take it seriously. |
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This has been a trying experience for all of us and the fact it has lasted for 3945 years hasn't helped.
People just need to vent a little.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:10 PM
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10. And I was so looking forward to being purged... |
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by catburgler. :)
But seriously, your point is well-taken Zynx. I hope the others listen.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:10 PM
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13. unfortunately there are people coming here to cause a disturbance |
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there is another thread with a link where they are boasting of their disruption here and getting TS - they think it is a joke
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are you speaking of those who have vowed to vote McShame in November if their Democratic candidate doesn't win? Those people should be banned today, as far as I am concerned. They are no longer Democrats if they have ever stated or clicked on any poll that would vote for the Repug in November.
Why should we be tolerant of those who have denounced the Democratic Party through their words or actions?
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:13 PM
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18. You know what I am referring to here. |
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There are those who just like to disrupt, but we have people here who want to impose a damn near totalitarian agenda. There is a thread in GDP about banning the word "Hillary" and it got three recs. That means that at least 4 people here feel that way since the author cannot recommend their own post. I find that disturbing.
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:36 PM
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37. Are you sure that wasn't a joke? |
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I didn't see it, so obviously I can only judge based on your description, but I'd be thinking it was satirical myself. Unless the wording was pretty obviously sincere, in which case, that's pretty fucking silly.
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92. May I assume that you will include |
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in that mass banning any professed obama supporter who has stated that he or she will not vote for Obama if he chooses Clinton as his VP?
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:11 PM
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15. There certainly does seem to be a proclivity to alerting and ignoring among some groups |
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The limits within the rules should be reasonable enough for reasonable people, but some REALLY brook no dissent.
Not only is this tiresome, it doesn't promote the kind of awareness of one's surroundings that is neccessary to win an ELECTION.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:20 PM
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22. They don't need awareness of their surroundings. |
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They just put their surroundings on ignore.
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So many seem to think it's a virtue. So many seem to think it's a sensible thing to regularly employ in a constituent republic.
The threads that extol the virtues of "ignore" are just plain disturbing. The crushing need to tombstone anyone who points out the Emperor's underwear is not a virtue.
I'm sick of that word. Maybe I just don't want bliss.
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28. It's really weird. I have never in my life seen self-styled progressives with such an intense |
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desire to silence those who disagree with them.
Not only do we have purge threads every day, but there was even a thread not long ago, by a longtime DUer (not a troll), calling for talk radio "personalities" to be prosecuted on some sort of unspecified charges. So much for that pesky First Amendment, I guess.
We even have yet another thread today by someone who was not around for the last election and so really does believe that everyone who will not take a loyalty oath to her candidate will get bounced. She and her fellow hope 'n unity junkies are reveling in the thought of their opponents being silenced forever.
It's amazing how much this place has changed in six months.
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32. the religious element is no coincidence |
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There's a reason why the word "cult" has been used so much. The repetitive threes in speeches are lunkheaded echoing of demagoguery. So many are aching for a fulfillment that they're literally throwing themselves at the movement with a glee that feels like frenzy.
Perhaps the sheer number of imperfections that are coming to light about this man compel them to shout ever louder to drown out their own creeping doubts, or perhaps the flavour-aid is so tasty that no hint of sourness can be discerned. Whatever the reason, opposition must be CRUSHED.
Reading Skinner's sensible bit of perspective about Clinton's RFK reference was doubly alarming for the sheer number of people who would have none of it. It was a gangster's threat of assassination, and PROOF was in the very air we breathe. What scary delusion. What anti-social, selfish putting of oneself above all others. What complete nincompoopery. (Damn...it's contagious...)
Much of their campaign has been a mixture of ecstatic glee and blistering damnation, and much as thrill-junkies may love being fulfilled for once in their drab and feckless lives, the rest of us are disgusted by the display, and those on the other side will be nauseated by the spectacle. Ignoring pitfalls is not a virtue.
This is everybody's future, and the recklessness of joyriding avengers isn't going to keep the Supreme Court populated by the sane. There's no virtue in losing in this situation.
Egad.
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59. That's funny - I've never seen so many so-called progressives support a proven liar like clinton. |
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Well, not funny exactly. Disturbing is more accurate.
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23. I want to be kidnapped for de-programming and put into a camp for "resocialization" |
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26. I want that for you too |
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33. No one is going to "purge" Democrats over one candidate... |
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35. "Stop being such an asshole for once in your miserable lives. Seriously, you guys are intractable.." |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:05 PM
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36. I just want the ass biters out of here. |
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The pastorbators, the racists, the "whitey tape" trolls, the Obama is racist/sexist/muslim/barry fuckwads GONE.
That's all.
Is that too much to ask?
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:44 PM
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but a girl can dream, right?
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:46 PM
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:56 PM
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58. According to Skinner's post...they will have one week |
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Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 08:57 PM by Born_A_Truman
And then they are gone if they continue. I cannot wait to hit refresh and see GD: P become GD:GE.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:12 PM
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Mon Jun-02-08 05:57 AM
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100. yeah. flush those turds! |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:41 PM
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40. Here at DU, I am seriously looking forward to seeing the purge of rightwing posers. |
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During normal times, they have to be very, very careful to avoid attracting attention. These days, it's impossible to tell wingnuts from fire-breathing Dem partisans.
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Mon Jun-02-08 05:57 AM
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101. Just try not to throw the Clinton supporters out with the bathwater... |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:46 PM
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44. Eat lots of raw rhubarb |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:52 PM
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52. I'm perfectly happy with showing liars and race-baiters the door, thanks. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:54 PM
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:11 PM
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75. Who's talking about purging the party? |
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:20 PM
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82. tell that to the hrc crazies, racists, repukes and "feminist" chicken littles. |
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Mon Jun-02-08 05:46 AM
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Mon Jun-02-08 05:58 AM
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102. The sweet sounds of "unity".... |
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Mon Jun-02-08 05:55 AM
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99. I welcome the day we come together |
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When Clinton supporters stop calling Obama's supporters cultist, women haters, etc.
I'm not sure if you are referring to the fact that people have said that they want to see people banned who don't support the nominee or not, but that's what your post infers. The fact is once the nominee is decided, people will have a week to get it out of their system. My guess is 95% will come together and fight on to the primary unified. There are going to be the few who decided they will continue to attack our nominee. Those people should be TS'd if they can't pull their heads out of their ass. Only time will tell how many choose that road.
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