"Senator Clinton, Your Popular Vote Story is Fiction!"

[polichick]

That's the headline I want to see! HRC knows most Americans don't follow closely enough to realize she's leaving out voters in the caucus states and Michigan, but I'm amazed that the media is letting her get away with that. Don't they think it's their job to set the story straight? I wish the Obama campaign would put out a well-crafted statement about it so the talking heads would get it.

[NJmaverick]

1. She may fool the public with these lies

I doubt the SDs are so easily taken in. That's why Obama is the winner and she is the loser (in every sense of the word).

[polichick]

6. She seems to have fooled the talking heads too - they report it without explanation...

That's what really irks me.

[NJmaverick]

7. The talking heads want to be fooled. They feel the Dem primary is a good ratings story

so they are trying to milk it for all it's worth. They know that Hillary lost weeks ago, but it's in their own self interest to try and keep things going.

[polichick]

8. I'm sure you're right - apparently playing a big part in making the war possible...

...hasn't taught them anything ~ they're as complicit now as they were then.

[mopinko]

19. you and me both

just disgusting. todd the numbers man sits there, and reports it with a straight face. :puke:
they point out about once a week that it is not real, but the other 10,000 they mention it- nothing.

[liberalmike27]

21. The Corporate Media

Is incredibly conservative. This becomes more so in the half year or so in the run up to the elections on even years.

They've gotten away with it for a while, as they brought on hundreds of conservatives who kept repeating "liberal media," "liberal media" ad infinitum, to sell theirselves that way.

But we've begun to figure it out in the last few years, some of us way before that. The truth is, the media has never been liberal, though it may have once approached fairness. It has always been owned by wealthy powers, and when liberal papers opened up, rich people just opened a competing rag that would publish rhetoric and propaganda over truth. See FOX News, and any Ruppert Murdoch paper.

But now we know. They've supported Hillary because she is the most conservative of the democratic candidates, a known commodity that they don't believe will rock the boat. But through all their efforts to keep her in a race, when the majority of voters don't want her, they've not succeeded, a testiment to our increasing awareness.

[Heather MC]

12. She is hoping that song is true

"been around the world and found the only stupid people are breeding"

[Apollo11]

2. But only if you include estimates from all caucus states and change Obama's name to "uncommitted"

According to Real Clear Politics, 17,916,763 people have voted for Hillary Clinton to be the nominee.

This number includes Florida and Michigan, and estimates from the four caucus states (Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine) that did not release popular vote totals.

The only way Barack Obama overtakes this number is if you give him all (or at least 82%) of Michigan's "uncommitted" votes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

3. I think you're referring to Shmopular Vote, not Popular Vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6156919

[papau]

17. DNC gifts to Obama did not include changing popular vote - so he lost that metric

[TexasObserver]

4. She can't add and subtract simple numbers. She can't manage her own money.

If there is anyone in American unqualified to add up the popular vote, it's Hillary Clinton. Even if she could, she'd lie about the result.

LYING is what she is doing. Just like she lies about her fundraising. Remember "10 million raised the day after" the last big primaries? LIES.

Hillary has concluded that people who vote for her are either too stupid to add the numbers or too lazy to read media to find out she didn't win the popular vote. She has capitalized on the ignorance and stupidity of those who find her racist message attractive.

[polichick]

5. It's clear she's looking to Rove for inspiration in more ways than one!

[ToddinWI]

18. I second the motion

You wrote, "LYING is what she is doing. Just like she lies about her fundraising. Remember "10 million raised the day after" the last big primaries? LIES."

There is a great post on the Daily Kos regarding this claim the day after the Pennsylvania primary and is a must read for those interested in the truth over a lie.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/21/04953/3738/252/519453

There are probably some who think the use of the world lie as opposed to terms like distortion or 'bending the truth' is too strong and out of bounds. I believe that a lie is a lie when the assertion flies in the face of empirical evidence (ie: FEC reports).

Maybe I was living under a rock at the time, but I do not feel this issue was given enough discussion by the MSM and by now shows a distinct and clear pattern.

[TexasObserver]

22. Good article at Kos in your link.

Yes, she LIES. It isn't a mistake. Hillary takes the approach that if she can get away with telling a big LIE, it's the same as the truth. She believes she can make something a fact by saying it, much like the way Bush does. She is really most like George W. Bush. Astute, but not really very bright. Good at scheming, but not at planning. An accomplished LIAR, incapable of telling the truth when pressed.

[sfam]

9. Hillary wins the popular vote in EVERY state where Barack is not on the ballot...

She should have used that strategy in the other 49 states. If so, she'd be the nominee right now.

[polichick]

16. LOL - her 2012 plan!

[Tinksrival]

10. She is running commercials claiming popular vote

http://www.miamiherald.com/692/story/554295.html


Adwatch: Clinton popular vote claim debatable

snip>>>>>>>>>>

It's a debatable point.

Clinton counts the results of Michigan, a state that until Saturday had been denied delegates because it jumped ahead of other states in violation of Democratic Party rules. Though Clinton was on the ballot, Obama withdrew his name from contention in that primary. Clinton received 328,309 votes in Michigan to none for Obama.

Clinton's claim also includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. Obama won Iowa, Maine and Washington state. She also includes the results from Florida, where none of the Democratic presidential candidates campaigned in advance of its primary earlier this year because the Democratic Pary had declared its delegates ineligible. Clinton won more votes than Obama in Florida.

Without Florida and Michigan in the count, Obama leads Clinton by nearly 450,000 votes in the combined popular vote in primaries and caucuses where delegates were at stake.

Moreover, under Democratic Party rules, the popular vote does not determine who the nominee is; delegates do. On that count, Obama has 2,068 delegates, leaving him 50 shy of the number needed to secure the nomination, with two primaries remaining. Clinton has 1905.5, according to the latest tally by the AP.

snip>>>>

[polichick]

13. Guess she figures deceit worked for Bush!

[Heather MC]

11. Everytime the media, exposes her lies she screams sexist!

I was watching the ridculously shiney, Stephanie Dubbs Jones
Whining at "Tweety" and KO about how they better let her "enjoy" this win this time and not shut her out with bigger news, like they did after her WVA win

sooooooo stupid!

[polichick]

15. That surrogate is a spin master - she probably scares some of those guys!

[Tinksrival]

14. Link to the ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzAUJB7NDQ&eurl=http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[SeaLyons]

20. Obama got the benefit of inflated delegates

with the caucus states. There is no way to count the popular vote for caucuses. Get over it. She has the popular vote. If it was wrong, I'm sure you man would be shouting it from the rooftops.

[polichick]

23. She is deliberately and shamelessly trying to deceive voters...

Just like Bush, Rove, & Cheney.

[Imagevision]

24. Hillary simply figures there's huge numbers out there who are plain stupid...

[Kablooie]

25. Don Quixote is fiction too. What's wrong with fiction?