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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:14 AM
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Poll question: Were the tables turned, would the DNC award Barack the same delegate "compromise"?
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 10:19 AM by BuyingThyme
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:18 AM
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1. The only reason
that the delegates were split favorably at all for Clinton was because the Obama campaign agreed to, even pushed for, it.

Clinton wouldn't have been that magnanimous.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:20 AM
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2. Agreed
Clinton and her supporters have proven that their only goal here is to destroy Obama's candidacy.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:48 AM
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16. That and that it doesn't really matter
This was a good "save face" maneuver by the DNC. They give Clinton an advantage that her supporters wanted, though she doesn't deserve it, and they don't really affect anything at all. Obama will still be the nominee by Wednesday morning, and they did something to seat Florida and Michigan.

Wins all around.

David
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:21 AM
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3. Obama won big time on Saturday
That MI compromise was pretty darned wacky and I hope it doesn't set any sort of precedent for future races.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:23 AM
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4. If the tables were turned, we wouldn't be here
Barack Obama would be John Edwards: Out of the race in February.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:25 AM
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6. You're supposed to pretend that Barack acted just like Hillary,
and Hillary acted just like Barack.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:24 AM
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5. No. Obama could have seated the delegates evenly; he generously gave her 65-55.
She would not be so generous.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:26 AM
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7. Obama had the votes to give Clinton fewer delegates out of both states but chose not to in the hopes
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 10:29 AM by Pirate Smile
of unifying the party. I doubt the Clintons would do that.

Clinton could have only gotten a total of 6 pledged delegates out of both states. Obama told his supporters to approve more favorable options for Clinton in both Florida and Michigan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3333816&mesg_id=3333816

Obama Forgoes Chance at More Delegates, Looks to Heal Wounds

"Democratic party rules-committee members said Barack Obama turned down two chances to increase his share of the disputed Florida and Michigan delegates. He instead instructed his supporters on the committee to agree to seating plans for the two states that allowed Hillary Clinton to narrow his lead by perhaps 19 votes, they said.

-snip-
Committee members said there were enough votes to pass a motion splitting the delegation in half — giving each candidate 64 delegates and 32 votes. But they said the Obama campaign, which has long argued for the even split, urged his supporters to drop that plan and vote instead for one that slightly benefited Clinton.

Committee members said the Obama campaign also urged them not to pursue a plan that would have advantaged the Illinois senator in Florida. The issue there was whether to cut the delegation in half, or to allow a full delegation to attend the convention with members getting a half-vote each.
Under the half-vote plan agreed to by the committee, Clinton gets 19 more votes than does Obama — 52.5 to 33.5 votes. Under the half-delegation plan, she would have netted six votes more than Obama because of complicated proportional representation rules.

Committee members said the Obama campaign instructed them not to pursue the half-delegation option.
To put those 19 votes in perspective: Clinton also netted a combined 19 delegates from her big wins over Obama in Ohio in March and Pennsylvania in April. "
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:25 AM
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8. ..
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:28 AM
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9. no because he would have dropped out after loosing 12 primaries in a row
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:28 AM
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10. Why not?
oh, that's right- irrational Hillary hatred and Obama worship.

Fact is no one knows how that would have gone down- though I suspect that if the tables were turned, we'd have seen something similar to the current result.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:30 AM
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11. No. Hillary would have insisted. Remember, Obama had the votes to get the 50/50 split
If Clinton had the votes to get what she wanted, she would have pushed it through.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:36 AM
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12. You have no rational way of knowing that
The question was "if the tables were turned."

I take that to mean if all things were equal and the roles were reversed.

Why do I think that? Because it would have been the politically astute thing to do.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:40 AM
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13. Her pattern of behavior dictates it as the most likely outcome.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:43 AM
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14. Obama would have been forced out by Wisconsin, so it never would have been an issue
The only reason Hillary has gotten away with any of this bullshit is because her last name is "Clinton". That's not enough to let her steal the election, but it allowed her to run out the clock, unfortunately.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:45 AM
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15. I don't know about Wisconsin, but I think you're right otherwise.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:22 PM
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17. Wisconsin is the point in this primary cycle
Where a Hillary win became mathematically impossible, in any practical sense.
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