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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:54 AM
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Ratfucking- Make up a story, never confirm. Smear by rumors
I haven't been on top of all the drama with the Hillary Clinton soap opera, but just wanted to note that another democrat who stole an election (LBJ's first office, in fact) would use the same tactic that is going on now to discredit a candidate.

That tactic is to start a rumor... in one LBJ incident his campaign started the rumor that his opponent had murdered someone... and let the rumor damage the other candidate.

It didn't matter if it was a total lie. All he and his camp had to do was keep spreading the rumor.

Rove did the same with McCain in South Carolina with his bi-racial child whisper campaign.

So to the Hillary ratfuckers - put up or shut up. If there is some scary tape out there - let's see it. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Otherwise, the logical assumption is that the Hillary ratfuckers are lying out their asses in one of the oldest bullshit political tricks around. They keep threatening -- because THAT'S the whole point. An empty threat.

Anyone who thinks that Clinton could unite a democratic party after the shit she has pulled is seriously deluded. She's the worst thing that has happened to the democrats in years because of her selfish sense of entitlement and her willingness to wallow in the gutter to get her way.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:55 AM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:55 AM
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2. "Worst thing that has happened to Democrats in years".. yes, and I add.. Maybe the Worst Ever.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:56 AM
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3. Larry Johnson has been taught well by the CIA
in the dark arts of propaganda and election influence
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:57 AM
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4. Larry Johnson couldn't pay his bar tab
So he traded me a jacket for the cost. He swore to me that he was wearing it when he killed a Russian soldier in Afghanistan. I still have the jacket.

I swear it was Larry. Although it could have been Roger Stone. The 80's are such a blur.

;)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:58 AM
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5. You dogs leave us rats out of it!
I'm wearing a garlic/Limburger cheese garland to keep them away. :hide:


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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:00 AM
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8. LOL.
watch your back. or some place like that. :)

doing it doggie style could be another sneak attack mode.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:58 AM
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6. Hate the concept, but love the word.
:rofl:

I remember reading about it in All the President's Men.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:58 AM
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They need to milk the rat first so they can finish doctoring the tape. The fucking begins when they
release it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:00 AM
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9. What they hell is wrong with you people!
I'm calling PETA right now! :grr:



:D :hi:


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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:02 AM
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10. LOL!
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:09 AM
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14. LOL
Seriously though... this RW bs tactic should never have been used by Dems. Revolting.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:58 AM
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7. I never heard of ratfucking. Tell me what you know.
And how you know it.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:03 AM
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13. I love Robert Walden
He needs to work more:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0907107/

Donald Segretti? Total ratfucker but at least he did time.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:14 AM
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15. ratfucking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All the President's Men.

...Woodward and Bernstein's exposé All the President's Men reports that many staffers who had attended the University of Southern California such as Donald Segretti, Tim Elbourne, Ronald Louis Ziegler, H. R. Haldeman and Dwight Chapin had participated in the highly-competitive student elections there. UPI reporter Karlyn Barker sent Woodward and Bernstein a memo "Notes On the USC Crowd" that outlined the connection.

It was here that the term "ratfucking" had its origin. It is unclear whether it was derived from the military term for stealing the better part of military rations and tossing the less appetizing portions away or if the military adopted the phrase from the political lexicon.

...the purpose of the campaign was to create as much bitterness and disunity within the Democrat primary as possible.... He also said he was interested in planting spies in the Democrat candidate's offices."



here's a snippet from the Karl Rove link at the bottom of the linked page above-

Rove traveled extensively, participating as an instructor at weekend seminars for campus conservatives across the country. He was an active participant in Richard Nixon's 1972 Presidential campaign. As a protégé of Donald Segretti (later convicted as a Watergate conspirator), Rove painted the Nixon opponent George McGovern as a "left-wing peacenik", in spite of McGovern's World War II stint piloting a B-24.<10>

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:24 AM
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19. and just to note
the tactic to divide democrats then is apparently the same as now.

Clinton is either playing into the game or she is integral to creating it.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:02 AM
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11. YOU ASKED FOR IT
You said put up or shut up... I'm not shutting up

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:16 AM
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16. DOH! DAMN YOU! Has been a while for me...
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:18 AM
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18. Rick Rolling as a form of rat fucking?
more like a torture tactic.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:03 AM
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12. JBJ said...
... that all he needed was to make "the son-of-a-bitch" deny it.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:17 AM
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17. exactly
LBJ was a ruthless son of a bitch.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:05 PM
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20. kicking back up just to upset swamp rat
;)
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