What does Hillary have to say/do to win you over and accept her as a potential VP?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

It is widely speculated that Hillary will probably concede tomorrow night, barring a catastrophe. The SD's will line up behind Obama either tomorrow, Wednesday or Thursday. It's over.

I've been doing a lot of thinking and soul searching for the past couple of days, and I wonder what it will take for me to forgive Hillary and/or accept her as a potential VP.

To the latter issue, I cannot and will not accept her as a VP choice but I could accept her in cabinet-level position.

To the former issue, I can forgive Hillary if she does the following:

1. Accept that Obama has won this nomination fair and square and that means not pushing the lie that she has won the popular vote. This would entail correcting the record and admitting to the media and supporters that she has lost. She would also tell her surrogates to back off!

2. Stop praising McCain at Obama's expense.

3. Admit that Obama has run a fabulous campaign and that he is prepared and qualified to be the President of the United States.

4. Admit the mistakes she made during her campaign. Ideally I would like for her to acknowledge how she played the race and gender cards, but I know that'll never happen. Instead, however, it would be nice if she accepted that she could have run a better campaign and apologize for the mistakes she made. She can do without citing specifics but by being humble and conciliatory.

5. Campaign vigorously and *enthusiastically* for the Democratic nominee. Convince her supporters that Obama is better than McCain. I truly believe that part of the reason for Al Gore and John Kerry's loss is that neither Clinton campaigned vigorously for them.


If Hillary can do these five things--I won't hold my breath--then maybe, just maybe I can forgive her enough to accept her in a position of authority in Obama's administration.

What does Hillary have to say in her speech tomorrow night or do in order to win your trust?

[anonymous171]

1. Embrace populism, bottom-up governance, and transparency. Especially transparency.

[Hola]

56. amen

Cut ties with all the old-school Dem operatives and schmoosers. Like Ickes. I mean professional ties.

[texastoast]

2. No VP

It's her electibility that is the issue.

[gateley]

7. Agree -- we Dems might support that ticket wholeheartedly,

but with the high negatives she has with the Reps, HRC on the ticket would many of the Reps to McCain.

[Spider Jerusalem]

52. No just Republicans. Independents.

And many Democrats.

[Hieronymus]

32. Top republicans have worked for her nomination ... for that reason.

[blm]

3. Clintons DON'T campaign vigorously for other Dems - and shouldn't be rewarded for SABOTAGING

those candidacies, either.

Clintons will NOT get close enough to ruin the Obama campaign - too many are aware of what they are about now, and being advocates for the Dem party and its issues is NOT their motivation. Getting into power to protect BushInc is, and always has been.



http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


Read the links - How much more proof do Dems need?

[MessiahRp]

71. Hear Hear!

Once again I am in total agreement.

No rewarding those who have knifed our party in the back so many times. Let them drown in their own debt and tears of sorrow. I could care less.

Rp

[olkaz]

Divorce her husband and wrangle her supporters back in somehow.

And I'm totally down with it.

[boobooday]

19. I agree with this

Lose the sell-out.

[Az_lefty]

39. Agreed, Bill would have to go.

[butterfly77]

4. Nothing..

I could never trust her..

[Hepburn]

27. Ditto. n/t

[Radical Activist]

5. She would have to be a completely different person.

One with conviction and principles who won't drag down the ticket.

[LaurenG]

6. Nothing - I'll take her as VP. nt

[harun]

29. Same here. I would accept her as Obama's VP with open arms

I don't care about all the crap she has pulled and if she wants to start pulling it on Repub's in Obama's favor, so be it.

[LaurenG]

31. Lol yep nt

[Beacool]

8. Nothing, she doesn't owe Obama a blessed thing.

Neither does she owe you an apology.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

20. Then we can agree that he owes her nothing!

Hillary and Bill Clinton ARE NOT entitled to a damn thing!!

[MattBaggins]

62. Wow you really want her to go down in flames

dontcha?

[Bread and Circus]

9. Apologize for the rape, theft, and murder of the sons and daugters of Scotland....

wait, wrong movie.
:P

[Diane R]

10. I truly will never again believe a word she says. There is nothing she could do to change my mind.

[smoogatz]

11. Turn herself into a Latino western-state governor

with lots of foreign policy experience. Or a purple-state former secretary of the Navy who looks like he eats doorknobs and broken glass for breakfast. Barring that, there's nothing she can do. She brings no particular expertise or experience to the ticket, and no important constituency other than her hard-core supporters, who are actually a pretty small (if obnoxious) group—and I'm guessing we'll win most of them over before November, regardless, assuming they're not really Republicans in Democratic pantsuits.

[Raster]

12. Say these words: "I realize now that my vote for the IWR was a serious mistake...

I regret that decision. I also regret intimating that John McCain would be a good choice for anything other than dogcatcher."

[bunnies]

13. Its too late. I will never trust her no matter what she says.

Its too damn late.

[crankychatter]

14. I just hope Obama uses his own judgement

collective wisdom and conventional Democratic VP selections have been some disastrous failures... as have our Presidential nominees

exceptions possibly LBJ and Gore, Carter and Clinton

[Pirate Smile]

15. Bill is a big part of the problem re VP. If it was just Hillary that would be much easier.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

16. admit Obama deserves his reputation for helping women and children;

apologize for the IWR vote; apologize for the bin Laden ad; apologize for her cluster bomb vote; apologize for her off-shore drilling vote; apologize for voting against Obama's anti-torture rider; change her pro-death penalty stance. You know, act like a Democrat.

[charlie]

17. "If nominated, I will not accept"

"If elected, I will not serve."

I'm not interested in experiencing any more Clinton psychodrama. Those two are just too high maintenance to be worth the trouble.

[beac]

46. Thanks charlie! You said just what I wanted to but better.

:)

[crickets]

55. That sums it up for me. -nt

[PleaseSayItAintSo]

18. She would have to undergo a personality transplant - and I'd insist on verification. n/t

[XemaSab]

21. At this point

I just plain don't want her for VP.

I can think of 20 people off the top of my head who are better qualified, bring more to the table, and who don't have her baggage.

[sfam]

22. Hillary needs to attempt time travel...

And go back to right after the Wisconsin primary and resign and endorse. Had she done that, pretty much 95% of all Dems would have been demanding she be on the ticket.

As it stands now, we will have Hillary taking a starring role in McCain's President and 527 ads.

"Even Barack Obama's choice for VP things McCain is qualified for CIC while Barack is not..."

[sfam]

38. ...Or have Barack select her...

One of the two. If Barack selects here without the "Pick me as VP or I'm taking my ball home" threats, I will enthusiastically support her.

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. The day I'd accept Bush Jr as Obama's VP is the day I'd accept Hillary Clinton...

They are both totally untrustworthy, have worked against the best interests of the American people, and have been very instrumental in pushing the Iraq War. Both would work to undermine Obama. Both would share information gleaned with Republicans and others eagerto bring down Obama. Both are completely devoid of integrity, ethics and honor.

[Pisces]

24. THere is nothing she could do to convince me. She should not be the VP.

[Sherman A1]

25. I would prefer that Hillary not be on the ticket

She is my last choice of the Dems that were originally running for the nomination, however if she is at any spot on the ticket I will vote for the Democratic Ticket.

[sniffa]

26. Stop acting like a power-mad lunatic willing to say and do anything

Then, for fairness sake, she needs to answer for, and denounce and reject Geraldine Ferarro's continuing comments. Then answer for, and denounce and reject Geraldine Ferarro's continuing comments again. Then again. Then do that for a few other surrogates.

Oh, and apologize for her fucking IWR vote, and with sincerity.

That's a start.

[apocalypsehow]

28. She doesn't belong on any Democratic presidential ticket, period. She owes us all an apology.

[iiibbb]

30. All Hillary has to do is say "Yes" to Obama's offer...

It's not up to us. It is up to Obama. If he decides he trusts her... why shouldn't I?

[TwilightGardener]

33. How about stop alluding to assassination? That would be a good first step.

[Jane Austin]

34. "Emily, I just had the damndest dream. We owned an inn

in Vermont, and . . . ."

[KAZ]

35. Bill is the issue.

[butterfly77]

66. That too is another reason..

[Andy823]

36. To win my trust

She would have to say:

"I want to thank Senator Obama for offering my the VP in the GE election, but because of all the negative things I said about him, the false accusations, the lies I told about myself in order to win, the comment about Senator McCain bringing more experience than Obama, and my just down right hatred for following the rules, I can not accept because it would go against everything Senator Obama's race was run on. Nothing I have done would help promote the "changes" that he wants to put forth as president. I also want to apologize to him, and to this country for the way I have acted and the things I have said. Please forgive me! "

That would make me consider that she might be trusted again, but not as Obama's VP. Maybe some other place on his cabinet, but never the VP!

[CoffeeCat]

37. Hillary is part of the neocon establishment.

She's backed their war votes...every step of the way. That's indisputable. She can "parse" her
Iraq-war vote or her Kyl/Lieberman vote any way she wants. In the end, she votes with them.

Furthermore, the neocons wrote a letter to then-President Bill Clinton in 1998. The letter was
signed by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, and other assorted neocons. They asked Clinton for war
with Iraq. Clinton refused.

Fast forward to the Iraq war vote. The same neocon cast of characters who asked President
Clinton for war, were now asking for Congressional approval. Does anyone actually believe
that Hillary (with her "yes" vote) didn't fully comprehend that the neocons who asked her
husband for war, were back again--asking for it again? She knew they wanted this war--because
they asked her husband for it.

They rode Sept 11 fear, and tales of WMD into Iraq--and SHE, better than anyone else, knew it
was a lie.

Also, as a New York Senator, sitting on the Armed Services Committee--she barely peeped as Bush
tore down our democracy, dismantled our civil rights, erased Habeas Corpus, enacted torture as
a national policy and wiretapped illegally.

All of us were screaming from the rafters about this stuff. Where was Hillary Clinton?

She's not about change. She never was. She ran on "experience" until she lost Iowa and saw that Obama
and Edwards would obliterate her as "change" candidates.

She's not what we need to restore our democracy, unite the country and roll back the BushCo damage.

I would not support her in the vp slot. That makes no sense at all. She and Obama aren't even
speaking the same language.

As far as a cabinet-level position, I'd be against that too--but I wouldn't consider it to be as
disastrous as vp. People say she'd be great at implementing healthcare. She failed miserably
when she had that responsibility during Bill's administration. She's not a team player. She's a dirty
trickster and she uses ham-handed tactics. Plus, her plan was secretive and non-inclusive--which
was myopic, and part of the reason her plan failed.

I don't like her at all, from a political standpoint--because her philosophies and her tactics
are not healthy for the country.

I think she would make a fabulous CEO of a Fortunate 100 company. I think her personality, temperment
and her talents would fit perfectly in the corporate world.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Don't forget the Levin-Reed amendment...

Before supporting the IWR, she should've done two things:

1. Read the NIE, as Bob Graham and Bob Byrd did. They all served on the same Senate Foreign Relations committee. The lie that she didn't know what she was voting for is yet another lie. She had all the information that they had and yet they voted differently and demonstrated good judgment. Read the damn NIE!!

2. Vote FOR the Levin-Reed amendment, which would have given the UN inspector more time to complete their work and which would have rejected unilateral action.

Therefore, she should really apologize for not supporting the Levin-Reed amendment and for not reading the NIE.

Had she done those two things, then she would have NOT voted for the IWR!

[Bad Thoughts]

41. "I was wrong to exploit racism" eom.

[autorank]

42. "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve." n/t NEVER

[saltpoint]

43. I'll honor Sen. Obama's choice for the veep nom but place Senator Clinton

well down on a list of people who -- whether we specifically, individually prefer them as his choice or not -- would bring at least one important thing -- sometimes more than one attribute -- to either the campaign and/or to governing.

If we defeat McCain and the Puke nom he comes up with, there remains I hope 8 years of governance and the vice president under Barack Obama could be to the Good what Dick Cheney under Bush was to the Evil.

That's right, you lurking freepers, I said 'evil' and if you don't like, go to hell.

I'm already supporting the Democratic ticket.

Obama is the man who has to face McCain and then, given a good shot at victory in Novmber, the man who must govern for the next 4-to-8 years.

So I'll honor his choice.

[newmajority]

44. I will never accept her as VP

I won't accept ANY senator as VP on this ticket.

As far as any other role in the Obamadministration, she would have to repent for her entire campaign, her corporatism, her votes for the war and other enabling of the Chimp agenda, and pretty much her entire corporatist loving DLC affiliation.

If she wants to be in charge of health care, for example, her Romneycare II corporatist approach is NOT acceptable. If she wants to take on HR 676 and get it passed as is, that would be different.

[barack the house]

45. If she can transform into Katheleen Sebelius I accept her as VP.

[RiverStone]

47. Ask me again after she finally exits the race...

[dcindian]

48. She would have to go to each and every dead American soldiers family and say sorry in person.

Then she would have to stand in the middle of Baghdad and explain herself to the Iraqi people. Once they all forgive her for her sin against the world so will I.

[stray cat]

49. If Obama decides to do it because he thinks its a good idea I'll be on board

[rock]

50. She'd have to say she wants it

Which I don't believe she does.

[JVS]

51. "I'm ready to resign my position on day one!"

[saltpoint]

53. I think Senator Clinton and her husband should be

appointed Ambassadors to the United States in President Obama's administration.

That is, they assume the influence, leverage, prestige, and respect accorded to any foreign ambassador we send to China or England or anywhere else.

He might send them first to New Orleans, as a gesture to those U.S. citizens and their children who were abandoned by the current president, Mr. Bush, and as an assertion that in this form of government we the people ARE the government, and those citizens are owed an expansive apology and sustained support by virtue of their inherent citizenship, not to mention the dictates of decency and compassion and common sense.

The world was watching as New Orleans was struck by that storm, and the world saw Mr. Bush pretend that it didn't happen.

Let Bill and Hillary Clinton lead an all-star delegation to LIVE in New Orleans and coordinate funding and resources for its massive renewal, with a very strong view toward building and rebuilding communities there slammed into despair by Hurricane Katrina.

The Democratic delegations in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama -- hell, let's throw in Texas while we're at it -- would be seen as local coordinators in their districts, raising the profile of county and city Democratic candidates and building a scaffolding for the next round of elections. Fifty-State strategy, said Howard Dean, and it could begin in earnest along the Gulf Coast.

"Bush ignored us. The Clintons are bringing lots of Democrats to help."

Done with heart and mind, it refreshes the screen of our international standing, renews the reputation of The Clintons while simultaneously uplifting a neglected population who deserves better than it got under Bush and his thugs and idiots.

[waiting for hope]

67. Ah sucks OC -

I kinda want John Edwards for that job. He, at least, has earned that one.

[saltpoint]

68. No question but that he would be excellent for it, too, but I have him

penciled in as our next Attorney General -- the Justice Department is low an justice, and John Edwards would be a powerful elixir -- and much needed, and long overdue.

Hi there, waiting for hope.

Very very nice to see you on these boards.

[waiting for hope]

69. Nice to see you too OC - it's been a long

season, glad to see it coming to an end. I don't know about AG, I think Edwards has too high of a profile I think to be effective. I actually would like to see him go the way of Gore, I think he would have more influence outside of the political machine. He is so committed to ending poverty and lifting up the middle class - just think of what he could do if his hands were not tied.

[Sulawesi]

54. She could say it was her evil twin that ran such a horrible campaign....

[CakeGrrl]

57. She can't. Her words and deeds have proven that Obama cannot and should not trust her.

n/t

[PolNewf]

58. Not possible after her statements

Just way too many soundbites for the republicans to use. They will use them already so that damage is done but coming from your VP it would be devastating.

[WeDidIt]

59. What she has to say, "I am suspending my campaign and endorsing Barack Obama"

What she has to do, Say the above no later than midnight Wednesday.

[Beregond2]

60. There is nothing she can say or do to win back my trust,

because she has blatantly lied for so long, nothing she said or did would be believed. Besides, who needs her? It is not as though she were such an effective politician. What has she ever done to make herself so important? She has been nothing but a failure, any way you look at it.

[JTFrog]

61. What difference would it make? Why would I ever believe anything she said anyway? n/t

[union_maid]

63. Nothing. If she's picked, I respect that and will support the ticket

She's not going to apologize for a thing. She keeps her own counsel. I don't think we'll know how she feels about a lot of this for a long time, if ever. I don't really know if she wants to be on this ticket or if it benefits Obama to have her on it as much as someone from one of his problem geographical areas would. I also think that if she doesn't agree to have Bill sent on an ambassadorship far, far away it'll be a problem for Obama. She might agree to that, though. Hell, I figured if she were elected president that would be the first thing she'd do. Anyway, once Obama's the nominee, I'm not second-guessing him as to his VP pick. His instincts and judgments have been fine so far.

[cui bono]

64. Impossible. She would have to be a different person entirely.

She is the old Washington. Obama's platform is about changing Washington and politics as usual.
She just doesn't fit in.

Secondly, after everything she's done in this campaign to him, how is she going to turn it around and make it believable that she is now completely supportive of him?

Thirdly, after seeing how she has run her campaign and all the things she has said, I could never trust that she would want him to be the best president ever. And I wouldn't trust Bill to not go doing whatever he wants behind the scenes and undermining Obama's presidency, and I would be concerned that Hillary might as well.

[Crunchy Frog]

65. There is absolutely nothing that would persuade me that she is an acceptable VP choice.

It has nothing to do with forgiveness, it's about what kind of campaigner she is, and the fact that she is not a team player, among other things.

[SKKY]

70. She can't. We have much better options than HRC...

Biden, Richardson, Bayh, and Edwards all come to mind before her.

[Doityourself]

72. Divorce Bill..

:rofl:

[Zavulon]

73. There's nothing she can do to make me support her as a VP choice.

Nothing. Not fake tears, not pretending to be a beer-swilling "regular person," not ducking Bosnian sniper fire, not even if she finally works up the stones to admit her disastrous IWR vote was a mistake.

Nothing.

[ShortnFiery]

74. Nothing. She has NO right. It's time for her to go back to NY State. Enough! n/t

[Yotun]

75. There is nothing she can do to win me over- not after using the pop. vote argument.

I could excuse anything else as election rhetoric, but not that.