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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:20 PM
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Poll question: Could you accept an Obama/Clinton ticket and move forward?
CNN is reporting that there is a split among Sen. Obama's senior adviser on whether this would be a good idea. Also I have noticed on Intrade Prediction Markets (http://www.intrade.com/ ) speculating on this possibility has shot up to a 21.5% possibility. This is now in first place of ticket possibilities ahead of Obama/Webb which is now trading at a 20.0% possibility.

Could you accept an Obama/Clinton ticket and move forward?

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:21 PM
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she treats him like shit and wants to be rewarded with a #2 spot? NO, give her Sec of Health
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:26 PM
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4. she's completely fiscally irresponsible (see her campaign finances) and toxic to boot.
NO FREAKING WAY.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:12 PM
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38. Give her No Quarter
Pass it on
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:15 PM
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39. If you do she'll spend $1.50 n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:16 PM
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40. But only the small biz will get stiffed, no?
:shrug:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:21 PM
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1. I think she's a downticket Exxon-Valdez, but if that's what Obama wants, he's the nominee.
:shrug:
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:23 PM
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2. webb is not a liberal
by any stretch of the imagination. clinton would be a much better choice.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:27 PM
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9. I agree and she picks up a lot of who he would pick up as far as
supporters go too. Not to mention in New York we can get another Dem in Hill's seat. Good luck in Webb's seat.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:24 PM
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3. Might as well make it Obama/Anthrax while you're at it.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:26 PM
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5. Sure, I could live with it
If Obama's inner circle were unshakeably convinced that bringing Clinton on board was a necessary condition to cementing the party into a single coalition, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. However, it would be bitter medicine indeed.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:34 PM
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17. that pretty much sums up my feelings as well
It is debatable whether it would strengthen the ticket. But there are credible experts who think it would. Of course there are other factors such as the ability of Sen. Clinton to subordinate her agenda to the agenda of the Obama agenda or an Obama administration.

It would be a bitter pill to follow. But politics is full of endless prescriptions for bitter pills.

I think that if it is not Obama/Clinton it will quite likely be Obama/Webb. That is not my personal dream ticket either.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:26 PM
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6. better
It's a hell of a lot better than Obama by himself.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:27 PM
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7. No. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:27 PM
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8. I'd have to accept losing the GE
She doesn't compliment any of his campaign themes and doesn't deliver any state that he wouldn't win without her.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:28 PM
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10. I just want it to end. I don't care who his VP is as long as it isn't Lieberman.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:29 PM
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11. Yes , I can move forward
:hi:
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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:29 PM
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12. I think it is probably a good idea
It would go alot towards the uniting
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:30 PM
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13. *
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:30 PM by AtomicKitten
self-delete (oops)
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:31 PM
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14. Absolutely not
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:38 PM by pbca
The GOP would have a field day with the attacks

Obama would lose alot of independents

Most Hillary supporters who won't vote for him without her on the ticket won't vote for her with him on the ticket either

It is likely that she would lose the ticket more votes than she brought to it.

and if she was VP the campaign would go on in the white house (albeit in a much quieter way) with her trying to get him out of the way so she can have her coronation.

On Edit: I just took a moment to contact the Obama campaign to urge them to scrap this idea.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:33 PM
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15. Richardson or Clark
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:34 PM by HockeyMom
somebody who could counter McCain and his military "expertise".

It has to be a strategy based on beating McCain in the GE, not about appeasing Hillary and her supporters.

I don't think he needs to put a woman on the ticket. I would rather see the best PERSON rather than the GENDER of the person.

Call me a sexist if you will.
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briv1016 Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:33 PM
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16. I'd prefer her in a cabinet position (secretary of health?) with no lineage to the presidency.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:34 PM
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18. Other
I think the Democratic ticket needs someone with national security, diplomatic, and foreign policy credentials.
Someone like Wes Clark. Just my honest opinion.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:36 PM
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20. I agree nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:35 PM
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19. NO, completely unacceptable
I don't want the Clintons anywhere near Obama. x(
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:37 PM
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21. No war voters on the ticket!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:37 PM
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22. Why don't we just let Obama
and his team decide.

I have faith that they will move forward and it won't be with hilary who would take them backwards.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:38 PM
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23. NO NO NO NO NO !!!! .. Where can I post to the campaign????
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:40 PM
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25. I just sent them an email through the web site.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:18 PM
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42. ^ GOOD IDEA ^
I think they already know but it can't hurt to remind them.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:20 PM
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44. Perfect. Thanks.
I looked at the site .. guess I'm so upset, not thinking straight.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:39 PM
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24. She's pretty far down the list, for me, but I'm voting for our nominee.
Really, the only VP pick that could conceivably be a dealbreaker for me would be an anti-choice Republican like Hagel.

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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:24 PM
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45. Same here. nt
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:40 PM
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26. CNN = CIA, never believe a word they say. Answer: NO.
Won't happen, either. If he was that weak he would have capitulated months ago. He doesn't need to.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:42 PM
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27. I will support him no matter who he chooses for veep, but will be very
disappointed if it's her.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:56 PM
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28. I'm certain that no "holier then thou" Obama supporter will stay
home if Hillary is chosen as the VP. After all staying home ensures a McCain victory. prolonged war, ruined economy, end to Rove v. Wade, etc., etc.
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recoveringdittohed Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:01 PM
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29. Victory in November is priority #1
If reputable polling shows Obama/Clinton winning and Obama/other Veeps losing the most important thing is Democratic control of Congress and the White House next year so we can begin reversing the damage of the current Administration.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:02 PM
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30. I have to join the ardent Hillary supporters on this one.
Unity and all that. :P

HELL NO.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:04 PM
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31. Maybe as groundskeeper, but NOT inside the White House ever again! n/t
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:05 PM
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32. No way
should Hillary play second fiddle to this vastly unqualified Manchurian candidate.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:05 PM
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33. Obama's question is...
Does he want Hillary inside the tent pissing out or outside pissing in. On the other hand, I cannot see why she woould want it when she can go back to a safe seat in the Senate.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:06 PM
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34. No. I'd like to win and I don't think that's a winning ticket.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:07 PM
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35. I don't like the idea, but I can live with it.
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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:09 PM
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36. I just can't support extortion
her behavior has been terrible and it would be hard to see it rewarded.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:10 PM
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37. Yes
not my choice by far, but I'd accept it.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:17 PM
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41. I think it is a BAD idea, but if that's his decision, nothing to do but accept it
his campaign hasn't been perfect, but it's been damned impressive. he knows what he's doing.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:18 PM
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43. here are the percentage of possibility according to the financial prediction markets:
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 07:23 PM by Douglas Carpenter
Of course this only reflects the educated guess of market forces. I'm using the figures from Intrade ( http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/ ) which follows very closely to the same figures from Rasmussen Markets ( http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=274442# ) Intrade is real speculating with real money. Rasmussen Markets relies on insider tips and expert analysis. But there numbers almost always turn out to be almost the same.


http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

Intrade Prediciton Market is currently trading a 21.0% to 21.9% possibility of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 19.0% to 20.9% possibility that James Webb will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 7.6% to 8.9% possibility that Mark Warner will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 6.0% to 7.0% Bill Richardson will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.7% to 5.8% possibility that John Edwards will be the Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.1% to 4.9% possibility that Al Gore will be the the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 4.0% to 4.5% possibility that Wesley Clark will be the Democratic Vice Presidential
Normie

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.2% to 4.2% possibility that Joseph Biden will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.0% to 4.9% possibility that Ted Strickland will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 2.6% to 3.9% possibility that Sam Nunn will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.4% to 1.9% possibility that Evan Bayh will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.0% to 1.4% possibility that Tom Vilsack will be the Democratic Party nominee

Both Intrade Prediction Markets and Rasmussen Markets also listed some other possibilities. I have listed most of them that are currently being traded.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch

http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?




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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:26 PM
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46. Who was it that said there will be no assholes on the Obama Campaign?
Axelrod?


not gonna happen.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:27 PM
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47. Yes n/t
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:54 PM
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48. The only thing she should be given is her hat and her packed suitcase.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:02 PM
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49. one kik
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:09 PM
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50. I would have to...
but I think it is a very bad idea. LBJ comes to mind.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:14 PM
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51. I TRUST Obama's judgment. If he chooses Hillary, I'm fine with it...
as long as it wasn't a pressured pick, meaning that Obama makes it clear he decided because he thinks she's the best VP pick for the situation.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:15 PM
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52. He was pressured to quit UCC and he did. He's susceptible to pressure.
He needs to know this is NOT a good idea. He needs to hear it in the strongest possible terms.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:15 PM
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53. Move forward + Clinton = Oxymoron
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:18 PM
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54. me too, I'll go with Obama's choice for VP. he knows what he's doing!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:20 PM
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55. As just said on MSNBC
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 08:20 PM by high density
"It's like the Mac guy telling people to get a PC."

Clinton != Change
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:23 PM
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56. no...
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:29 PM
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57. Realistically, I have no say in the matter...
...so I'd have to go with "I don't like it but I could accept it and move forward".

It wouldn't change my vote come November. I'd feel a bit dirtier, but not nearly as dirty as voting for McSame or not voting at all.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:47 AM
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58. one more kick
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 03:10 AM
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59. It would be a gift for McBush
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 03:14 AM by nebula
her presence provides him a big target of opportunity, while turning off and driving away a good chunk of Obama's base. The sheer amount of dirt the GOP have amassed on the Clintons is mind-blowing, and they can't wait to use it in the GE. Her baggage would bury the Dem ticket in a landslide for McBush.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:11 AM
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60. whether it is a good idea or not - the specualtion is increasing that it might happen
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