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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:24 PM
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In faint praise of Terry McAuliffe
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:29 PM by Youphemism
I'm going to have to go underground in a bunker for a few years after posting this, given what I've read on these boards, but here goes:

I'm an Obama supporter who has a hard time *not* liking Terry McAuliffe.

Before you go apoplectic on me, here's the pretext:

First, I'm admittedly largely ignorant of his history as DNC chair, which has obviously pissed off a lot of people. But for now, I'm only talking about his current job.

Second (and more important) I don't understand how *anybody* can do his job -- which basically requires you to frame all facts, no matter how much to the contrary, in a context that supports your candidate. Put more simply, the job requires you to lie whenever you're losing or being damaged by media coverage. How does anybody do that?

Given the fact that it's a job for liars on both sides of the campaign, Terry had the harder job, because his campaign was losing. That means he has to lie more.

The main reason I have a hard time disliking him is the way he carried off the "Yeah, I'm a political used car salesman" approach. I guess there's something appealing to me about his self-deprecating style and ability to laugh along with and then shrug off pundit questions that amounted to, "Yeah, Terry, but when you say that, aren't you pretty much full of crap?" It was water off his back when other folks would turn red, make wild accusations, and all but take off a shoe, pound it on the podium and shout, "We will bury you!"

I was often put off by other surrogates who would:

1. smile when you could clearly see they were truly seething
2. try to wrestle with commentators who gave them a strong dose of reality
3. introduce some of the most outlandish accusations and negative attacks (see "Geraldine Ferraro")

Sure, Terry did these things to some degree himself. But the differences I see, respectively, are:

1. He truly seemed happy. None of this seemed to get to him on a personal level. He had more of a "just doing my job" approach.
2. Sure, he wrestled with pundits. But he was much better at sticking to scripted talking points. When others would fold under questioning and make some of their most inane assertions, Terry would usually say something like, "But that's not the point/that's not what I want to talk about," etc. and move right back to the scripted talking points.
3. By staying on those points, he tended to make only those attacks that were sanctioned by the campaign -- granted, some of them were sleazy. But I never heard him say anything Clinton herself would not say. And yes, there are actually things she wouldn't say. (Again, see "Geraldine Ferraro," and even "Bill Clinton.")

Okay, go ahead. Flame away and tell me why he's the spawn of Satan. As a political guy, I'm sure he probably deserves it. Yet somehow, maybe even more than Bill himself, Terry is the Hillary supporter I'd most enjoy talking to over a beer.

Of course, I'd still keep track of my wallet that night.


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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:26 PM
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1. NB:
Faint.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:31 PM
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4. Thanks. I discombobulated my misconscrupulatory verbiagation.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:41 AM
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23. Hey.
Ain't no thang!

Just what happens when you study linguistics to overcome dyslexia.

My native dialect is American Midwest Redneck.

I think I was in my teens before I realized that poor and pour were different words.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:28 PM
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2. If you understand he is on temporary loan from 'sponge Bob square pants" he is OK
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:29 PM
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3. I agree with you.
His appearance on MSNBC this morning really cracked me up.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:31 PM
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5. Did you mean Feign, as in false? n/t.
A feint is a tactical maneuver.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:33 PM
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6. I corrected this, along with my motto "Long May Obama Rain."
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:33 PM
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7. I think he'd be a very good standup comic
He is so nuts that you have to wonder how anyone could put up with him.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:35 PM
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8. Exactly. I guess that's the appeal I'm talking about.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:38 PM
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9. TOTALLY! And Ickes is the PERFECT Villain. Even his name is perfect. The sleaze you love
to hate. Mr Burns incarnate.

What great characters.


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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:19 PM
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21. Yes, Ickes is the personification of Mr. Burns...


The guy is so divisive, and obviously doesn't mind hurting the party to obtain his objectives (most recently, all in the name of just four superdelegate votes).

Given that analogy, McAuliffe seems to be more of a party-animal version of Smithers, the suckup.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:06 PM
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10. he was drunk this morning....
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:12 PM
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11. Drunk, crazy, holding rum, wearing a wild shirt...

...I'm glad I posted this thread.

These responses are helping me to mentally coagulate those low viscosity intangibles that make it hard for me to dislike him.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:12 PM
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12. he's mildly amusing, but it's digusting when you think of how he's riling up the more delusional HRC
supporters. Those supporters don't understand that he is BSing. So from that standpoint, his wild talking points are not something I can admire.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:24 PM
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13. Simple bullshit artist.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:28 PM
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15. Right. And, he's fooled more than
a few.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:06 PM
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17. I agree. But isn't that his job?

He had to argue that Senator Clinton was better than Obama, and that she was winning and going to beat him.

I wasn't trying to support his character -- I was only saying that the other surrogates bothered me more. He was the icon of a cheerleader, and I'd actually find myself laughing at him and, when called on it, he seemed very willing to laugh at himself. That ability seemed to be lacking in almost everyone else in that campaign.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:27 PM
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14. Well, okay then. I won't flame you, but I still think McAwful is a douche.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:12 PM
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19. Thanks. I understand your position...

I'm very surprised that everyone has been so civil. I know this guy was at the heart of a very polarizing campaign.

I hope I made it clear enough that I just have trouble disliking him. I thought he was often spouting total garbage. I only meant to suggest he seemed to do a better job of it than others, particularly in the way he didn't take it personally... He just stated his position, no matter how ridiculous it was.

There were many other surrogates I found annoying (the way you do with him) who I wanted to reach through the TV screen and slap. With him, I was just laughing and saying, "Yeah, right."
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:28 PM
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16. His "style" is very irritating
he's more of a side show barker than a campaign spokesman.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:08 PM
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18. Consider yourself flamed...nt
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:15 PM
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20. LOL! Consider your reproach assimilated...

I appreciate your not going into too much detail. I can imply many of the adjectives I'm sure you'd like to use.

If it's any consolation, I'm probably in lock-step with your thoughts on many of the other folks in that camp.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:26 PM
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22. Fair enough, you have accepted your chastisement with grace...nt
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