Why Hillary for VP is a bad bad idea....

[TLM]

First off... Obama would spend the next 4 years having to watch his back not only for attacks from the right, but attempts by hillary to undermine him so she can run in 2012. Hillary has shown us all how relentless she is in her pursuit of power. She would be nothing but an obstacle to an obama administration. We do not need that drain on focus.


Second... she brings NOTHING positive to the ticket. This white rural racist vote Hillary claims to hold, will not vote dem in the GE, regardless of the candidate. People who are uncomfortable with a black president, won't vote for the ticket, regardless of the VP. Most of them are republicans just trying to drag out the primary. So she's not bringing any new voters to the party. Democratic women will vote to protect their reproductive freedoms, regardless of the candidate. Most dems, will vote for the dem nominee.

Most dems are not like this crazy person:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s


Third, Hillary anywhere on the ticket will energize an otherwise fractured and unorganized right wing base. There's a big rift between the rich elites, the working class, and the religious nuts in the republican party. Religious nuts are flooding away. Fiscal conservatives and libertarians are splintering away. The whole party is collapsing and will not have the punch they had even a few years ago. Hillary gives them back a target they can all agree on.


She is poison.

She knows what it is like to be targeted as the subject of attacks because you're married to a candidate for president. Yet, she has her people targeting Obama's wife in exactly the same way the right targeted Hillary in 92. No More Bush's and No More Clinton's... not this time.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Snipers.

That's all there is to say about that.

[sfam]

3. ...

Deleted. I misunderstood the comment.

[C_U_L8R]

10. No i am recalling Hillary's tendency to make shit up.. like snipers.

in Bosnia. Remember?
I find it kind of unforgettable when a
presidential candidate tells lies as big as those.

Whoever Obama's running mate is, he/she should be
honest, trustworthy and a total team player.

[sfam]

15. Ah, my apologies for misunderstanding. nt

[TwilightGardener]

2. Just when we're finally almost rid of the Clinton parasites, someone wants

to let them stick a foot in the door. I don't get it.

[jhrobbins]

30. I guess I don't get you, wiener. This has been one of the closest campaigns

in history and the difference between the two is marginal, so I don't get what all of this Hillary hating comes from - obviously a HUGE number of Americans have supported her and will continue to support her. I am not a Hillary fan, but I really don't understand the level of ire focused on her.

[Condem]

4. Hey, TLM

A little fucking history lesson. Lincolns cabinet. Friends of his?

[TLM]

12. How'd that work out for him?

[Condem]

14. What are you saying, genius?

[TLM]

23. You brought up Lincoln....

I find it amusing that you'd pick Lincoln as the subject for your analogy, about how great Hillary for VP would be. Do you clinton followers have any analogies that don't involve candidates and presidents that got shot?


Are you seriously trying to argue that somehow because Lincoln appointed rivals to his cabinet, that means Hillary should be VP?


Perhaps you suggest a bloody civil war too? I mean that seemed to help with focus in the Lincoln administration.

[Condem]

24. Are you comparing the present to the Civil War?

Do you find it amusing? Without googling it, tell me, where are Jackson's headquarters at Gettysburg? History major.

[TLM]

26. Who brought up Lincoln... oh that's right, you did.

So you were saying about comparing the present tot he civil war?


Now what the hell are you even arguing here? I say Hillary would be bad for VP, and you scream Lincoln's cabinet.


Now you're complaining about me comparing the present with the civil war?


:eyes:

[Condem]

28. Just as i figured, TLM

You know nothing. What time are you due back at Boystown?

[TLM]

32. Yawn.... try harder.

Typical derail tactic, the quiz.

Care to explain exactly how my assessment of your assertion was inaccurate... or for that matter what significant relevance your assertion has to the OP?

Or are quizes about historical landmarks and personal attacks all you've got to argue why Hillary would be a great VP?

[Condem]

33. No, TLM

I go back to my main point, You know shit. How bout that Gettysburg question? If you're going to bring up history, than you better know it.

[TLM]

36. And I keep poiting out that YOU brought up history.

I simply asked a question in response to your assertion.

So please, bless this mere mortal with the magnificent aura of your infinite wisdom and tell me how Gettysburg supports your point that hillary should be VP?

[Condem]

38. What's 1992, TLM?

[TLM]

41. Oh well clearly you've proven your case....

I mentioned the attacks made on hillary in 92... and 92 is "history" therefore that means I'm the one who brought up Lincoln, and that clearly proves Gettysburg demonstrates hillary should be VP.


That was impressive. Truly you are not of this world. Such brilliance.

[Cha]

5. hilary's a drain on her own

ass and has tons of baggage that's growing exponentially as we type.

[sfam]

6. Why is it that Obama supporters cannot bring themselves to TRUST their candidate?

Honestly, I don't get it. If Obama decides Hillary is the best choice for VP, why wouldn't everyone support this?

Lets face it, the VP is supposed to be an attack dawg in the GE anyways - I doubt there's a better one than Hillary. But bottom line, Obama MUST know what he's doing here. Lets trust him to do the right thing.

[Yael]

19. It would take his message and shoot it right out the window.

He would lose a lot of support from people who look at him as "not another politico" if he did that.

He knows it.

I won't happen.

[TLM]

25. If Obama decides Hillary is the best choice for VP..... not gonna happen.

Now, obama being leveraged into putting her on the ticket in exchange for her not taking her little gang of disruptive racist followers to Denver to derail the convention... that's another matter.


It isn't that I don't trust Obama to make a good decision, I don't trust Hillary to abide by the rules, the results, or the will of the people.

But nice try at spin...

[sfam]

42. Let me try again...Obama can choose whomever he likes...

To say he shouldn't even go through the logical thought process of thinking of the pluses and minuses of selecting Hillary is fairly stupid. Of COURSE he should do this.

And if Obama does go through a reasoned process, are you honestly telling me you wouldn't trust his judgment?

[WA98070]

47. Lots of us came to Obama by way of someone else. He gives us "Hope" but our faith is not strong....

I do want to believe.

[nebula]

7. A black man and a woman on the same ticket is nuts

a sure loser if I ever saw one.

[Condem]

8. You are what you say, neb.

[nebula]

9. Hillary is the loser

and will doom any ticket she is on.

[Condem]

11. C'mon, neb

give me a little background on your brilliance. Where does it come from? I'm guessing, maybe 25?

[TLM]

27. Oh please may that we might bask in the glow of your glorious wisdom????

:puke:

[bullimiami]

13. i disagree on most points.

first. i think hillary is a fighter but also a team player. she has proven that in the senate. once she was on obamas team she would fight just as hard for him as she has against him.

second. she brings the 2nd most popular democrat to the ticket. she will bring all of her rabid hillbots with her. both sides of the democrats would be forced to rally behind the ticket and put aside the primary fight.

third. the republicans are hateful bastards who will try to attack and demonize whatever democrat is in the WH. they hate hillary because she was strong and anti-republican. once they turn their sights on obama it wont be any different.
the RW is fractured because bushco destroyed them. he sold them out and blew their decades of hard work out on a drunken orgy of war, spending and corruption.

hillary isnt poison shes tough. tough as an opponent and tough on your team.
dont lump bush and clinton into the no more bush and no more clinton bs.

old bush was a corrupt ex cia powerbroker
clinton was a reasonably decent president for the most part
w is a corrupt pile of hate and destruction
hillary would probably be a decent president too.

there is NO comparison between the bushs and clintons.

[Condem]

16. I welcome you to the show, bullimiami.

[bullimiami]

17. i dont get the rabid hate for hillary.

everyone keeps complaining about the democrats being weak.
shes not weak.
she may not be the most liberal democrat on some issues but she is firmly a democrat on many.

i think a black man and a woman would make a ticket that would blow this prejudiced tight-assed country right out of the 1950s into the 21st century. finally.

bring it on.


btw. i voted for kucinich.

[Yael]

20. She launched full frontal attacks on a fellow Dem.

to the point of claiming, not once, but four (4!!!) times that the Republican candidate was more qualified.

Fuck her and the president she rode in on.

[Condem]

22. Damn, Yael

How about a silence at Appomattox?

[Condem]

21. And I caucused for Edwards

The day after he left, my heart went to Obama. Hillary has pissed me off. No doubt. I was a partisan, though. Now, I want her ass on my side. Know what I mean?

[TLM]

31. I agree she is a fighter....

but she never fights as hard as when she's fighting a dem.

Where was this fight in 2000 or 2004?

Where was this fight with the war in Iraq?

"she would fight just as hard for him as she has against him."

Hillary never fought FOR anybody but Hillary. That's your mistake. She fights for herself to her own ends... if she sees obama as useful to her or helpful to her, she'll protect him like an asset. If she sees him as an obstacle she'll turn on him in a second.


"she will bring all of her rabid hillbots with her."

This is a bad thing.


Attacks on Obama will be weaker and less effective... attacks on hillary OTOH, will be very effective. They've got those honed and ready to go.

"dont lump bush and clinton into the no more bush and no more clinton bs. "

Two powerful families, connected to several of the same power players and influence brokers in DC, handing the white house back and forth for over 20 years. You're OK with continuing that because you've been duped by this good cop bad cop routine.



Not this time....

[bullimiami]

39. bills dirt in the bushs eyes.

they think they are american royalty and hes a poor lowlife climbed-too-high dunce from the sticks.

poppy bush is just tolerating him.

[AllentownJake]

18. Obama is smart

and so are his advisors. This decision will not be made in June it will be made in July and will involve the best minds of the party in and outside of the campaign.

If it comes out Hillary is the best pic that is what it comes out.

[WA98296]

29. Please add: There is NO WAY to control Bill Clinton, she could not even do it in her campaign.

[Imagevision]

34. Obama would have to watch his back too much with Hillary as VP.

[billyoc]

35. She's a downticket chainsaw massacre.

Half the Party would die laughing. :rofl:

[Alobama]

37. obamacans will fall back to mccain if HRC is the VP

being a "fallen" republican and a fairly new supported of obama, i think a HRC VP ticket will move most obamacans back over to mccains side. I dont want to go back to the "dark side" so to speak, but there is no woman I hate more than HRC. Please, convince me otherwise.

[billyoc]

40. She won't be VP.

[newspeak]

43. actually, I think Hillary would do better

as a Supreme Court Justice--I'd like to see John Edwards as AG--I'm still contemplating who would be the best candidate for VP. I don't care what anybody says about Kuccinich--I know he would represent labor, so I'd like to see him as head of Dept. of Labor. Of course, I wish Al Gore would accept some position within the government --I'd like to see Barbara Boxer in a cabinet position.

[TexasObserver]

44. She is poison.

[newspeak]

45. I'm not a fan of HRC

but I do believe she'd do more good as a supreme court justice, especially with women's issues. I believe Webb maybe a good choice for VP. Also, bridging the gap of partisanship, I think Jeffords should play some role. After all, he changed from Republican to Independent after * was anointed. He saw the writing on the wall--so, I say he was at least a honest republican. It would be nice to see those generals that stepped down-who objected to *'s boondoggle were brought back in positions-head of dept of army, etc....marginalise Patreous. New Mexico was one state during the last election that had voting abnormalities and some in NM are still hot over the 2004 election--I know that some are pissed at Bill Richardson for some of the shenanigans that went on in NM--however, he probably will be considered for some role in the cabinet. I think it would be more advantageous to have a VP representing the South-Webb or McClelland?

[newspeak]

46. I meant

Max Cleland, sorry for the error.

[AtomicKitten]

48. It's as bad idea as Obama/Diphtheria.

[jgraz]

49. Actually, I'd pick Diptheria first.

Diptheria didn't vote for the war.

[AtomicKitten]

50. excellent choice, sir

Perhaps I can recommend Obama/Dysentery as an alternative?

:D