After weeks of hating Hillary, I now KNOW we need her as VP. Sorry, it is TRUE!!!

[KansasVoter]

This post will get a lot of insults and rude comments and just plain people getting pissed off. I don’t blame people for doing that. That is the great thing about this forum. It is hearing the opinion of everyone, even if you don’t agree with them. Unlike the GOP, which would love to suppress all free speech if possible.

I have been a huge critic of Hillary Clinton. Read any of my old posts. I have been pissed off at her too many times to count. I have hated her camp and her talking heads for lying and making crap up and for slamming Obama at every turn.

I have called Hillary arrogant, deceptive, a liar and a person who cannot be trusted. And at times she has been all of those things. And she lost me when she insulted and mocked Obama supporters who loved Hope!

But I 100% think with all my heart that Obama needs to pick Hillary as VP if we want to win this election. I think we can win with another VP, but I think we are SURE to win with Hillary as VP.

Face it; Hillary is ALMOST as popular as Obama. She has a lot of supporters and a lot of people who love and respect her. Women look at her and see a person who stands for what they stand for. They look at her and hoped with all their heart that Hillary could be the first woman president and they are sad and devastated that Hillary lost this nomination. They are mad and sad and just upset because they thought this was a sure thing and it ended up not happening.

Hillary would campaign her heart out for an Obama/Hillary ticket. The money would roll in from the $2300 Hillary fat cats and the millions of Obama donors would give their $100. It is the best of both worlds. Big donors and small donors both giving money for the ticket. They would raise 10 times what McCain would spend on his campaign and 527s.

There would be no pro-Hillary web sites wanting to vote for McCain. There would no Hillary supporters on TV talking down on Obama. There would be Bill and Chelsea talking to the people who love them and support them. There would be Obama, Hillary and Bill trashing McCain.

And Hillary cares more about America than McCain ever could. I might not be a huge Hillary fan but I know she cares more about a poor person then McCain ever has. She cares more about Gay issues than McCain ever will. She loves this country. Sure, she has been jaded by too many years in Washington but still has a huge following.

I am sure people here will not admit that Hillary can help the ticket but I guarantee she will. People still love her. You will LOSE no Obama supporters, except a few idiots on DU, if he picks Hillary as VP. But you will LOSE a lot of Hillary supporters if he does not offer the VP job. Even if we lose 10% of the Hillary fans we are going to lose the general election. Not a lot of elections are won by more than 10%.

There are states that Hillary helps Obama win. And no states where her as VP cause us to lose.

Hillary won almost 50% of the votes. Hillary won almost 50% of the delegate’s. She is a viable candidate and we cannot ignore that now just because we don’t like her.

I am mad at the Hillary people who say they will vote for McCain, because all they are being is poor losers. They are just winey little babies who did not get their way, so they are going to take the ball and go home just to prove a point. They want to hurt Obama just because he won and Hillary lost.

But Obama supporters who 100% reject Hillary and don’t consider her at all are also just mad at Hillary and are punishing her for being a pain in the ass the last three months. Let’s not punish Hillary if it will cost us the General Election.

Can you imagine no more fighting between the Hillary and Obama fans? Can you imagine no more discussions about if Obama can win states that Hillary won? Can you imagine being happy about the polls showing Obama/Clinton 10 points ahead of McCain? Will it be nice having all of the Clinton supporters behind the ticket because they at least have the person they love and respect on the ticket?

I think the ticket is impossible to beat and I think the GOP would hate it. It will not motivate the GOP enough to send money and volunteer because Hillary is not the president. But they will be scared because they know Hillary can get votes that McCain needs. They will fear a Obama/Clinton ticket.

A week ago I would not have written this post. But that was because I was mad and pissed and not being logical. I think I am right on this now. I am sure I will be insulted and ridiculed. That is OK, maybe I am wrong. But I don’t think I am.

I am so much more worried about winning in November than I am about punishing Hillary and her supporters.

I hope you are too!

[TwilightGardener]

1. Good God, the woman brings up assassination twice, and now we get this drivel, over and over.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. anyone who suggests her as VP ought to volunteer to be a food taster at the WH

or else be quiet.

[woolldog]

45. Good idea.

[bhikkhu]

95. AND have to sit next to Harriet Christian at the convention.

:scared:

[yurbud]

119. I tried to google her, and apart from that incident at the rules meeting, all I could find was a lak

Harriet Christian in Minnesota.

I have a feeling that was a rent-a-mob and someone just needs to comb through the photos and recognize one person for the floodgates to open.

[Psyop Samurai]

101. Now that's a DUzy right there!!! LOL nt

[tiptoe]

117. She (i.e. Penn, her 'choice') made herself, as VP candidate, a security risk, w the ass* remark. nt

[Lucky 13]

2. Pass.

She does him more harm than good. And not to appease people like Harriet Christian either.

[NightWatcher]

3. her negatives are too high and we sure dont need Bill out there running his mouth

her campaign was way too combustible and we sure dont need Hillary as #2 and Bill as #2's #2. We need a clean, fresh start as we head into the general.

[TwilightGardener]

4. Do we NOT have other people who can be VP? Seriously?

[paulk]

36. Obama's negatives are higher than Hillary's

according to latest Rasmussen polling

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/as_campaign_season_begins_only_one_presidential_candidate_is_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters

pay attention!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

59. That's what 2 against 1 will do.

Pathetic.

[k8conant]

79. I'm paying attention: The latest is from JANUARY 2nd?????

:wtf:

[paulk]

104. latest PEW polling has Obama favoribility down to 52%

the point is that the argument about HRC's negatives being too high, used by the Obama camp going all the way back to Jan., is bullshit.

[anonymous171]

Only if they pay for Bill's and Rev. Wright's 6 month vacation during the GE.

[goletian]

5. he needs her as a vp like a bullet to the head.

[Cha]

6. NO

NO

[DearAbby]

7. Dont want to vote for that...

I would seriously question Obama's judgement if he were to select Clinton...

[K Gardner]

8. Somebody hasn't been paying attention to what Hillary has been doing/saying. Wow.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

9. Like a fish needs a bicycle.

[rusty quoin]

I know what you are saying, but I want to wait longer and see what happens.

[Doctor_J]

10. You know, I think you're right -

the part about this OP getting alot of insults and rude comments.

[Pirate Smile]

11. I don't really worry about Hillary. I REALLY worry about Bill.

[John Q. Citizen]

12. You are irrational to hate Hillary and you are irrational to want her to wreck our chances in Nov.

You are batting 1000 so far.

Good luck.

[specimenfred1984]

13. Good way to draw out the freepers

I added 7 to ignore. Odd how many (D)s hate the democratic party.

[newmajority]

35. And indeed it did

How's RimJob's stump healing, Fred?

[redstate_democrat]

14. You're just caught in the moment.

You're happy this is over and feel a bit of relief that your guy won. You also feel some gratitude towards Hillary because "she could have" or some other unconscious feeling you may have. Hillary is a one of a kind candidate, no doubt. She is just not the one this time. Clean break. Obama can't put Hillary on his ticket after telling people for 15 months that she is the past and "part of the problem in Washington". He can't put her on after SHE said that McCain would be a better CIC. She can't put her on after HE has said she has poor judgment because she voted for the IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, and has lobbyist funding her campaign. That, my dear friend, would make him a hypocrite of the century, scare away Independents to "Straight Talking McCain", and young voters would become disillusioned by the lack of real change in Obama's Change. Therefore, we would LOSE because we would not get the high voter turnout and Repugs would be energized. She does NOT help Barack in any state he won't ALREADY get. She only hurts him if she is on the ticket.

[Vote2008]

18. Good points.

[billyoc]

15. She's a downticket Three Mile Island. No idiot would nominate her for anything.

[LakeSamish706]

16. Have you been drinking that cool-aide that the Clinton camp has been...

serving up? No VP for Hillary!

[Vote2008]

17. 5th rec and I think you are right. Not because I like Hillary but because.....

the electorate is too divided. This is the only way to fix it.

[DFW]

19. Well, you got your nasty comments alright! LOL!!

Actually, I think all Obama would really need to do is OFFER
the VP spot to Hillary. If she wants to shoot for Senate
Majority Leader instead, then it's her call. No one can
say either of them did anything wrong if he offers and
she then passes.

[Speck Tater]

20. If Obama picks Hillary for VP I'm voting for McCain!

:sarcasm:

[think4yourself]

21. Absolutely not!

Respectfully, the Clinton Era is over. ALL of America, Republicans, Independents, black, white, are hungry for unity and pride in their Country. They had their time in the limelight. It is time for a new direction and new way of politics.

[demwing]

22. Popularity Does Not Matter

Johnny Depp is popular. That doesn't mean he should be VP.

Hillary is a horrible choice because she represents everything about politics that the Obama campaign has run against. If there were a personification of all that which Barack Obama campaigneed against, it would look, sound, and act like Hillary Rodham Clinton.

horrible, horrible, god damned aweful choice....

[Prophet 451]

108. I'd vote for Johnny Depp as VP

*page of drool covered lusting deleted by poster's remaining dignity*

[demwing]

114. ok ok ok...."Miley Cyrus is popular..."

and I dare anyone here to say (with a straight face) that they'd think she would make a good VP

[goldcanyonaz]

23. I truly do not believe she wants to be vp. But, politics make for strange bedfellows

[tularetom]

24. Big mistake - it would open up Obama's campaign to a torrent of Clinton

scandals and jokes and make her the issue instead of him and his platform. Plus it would put Bill Clinton closer to the WH than anyone would want him to be.

Nah, no way I could support that.

[The River]

42. We Have A Winner !1!

You got it exactly right man. Forget everything else. If she were on the ticket the MSM,
who we all know will try to help McSame, would be Clinton this and
Clinton that 24/7. They'd try to make the whole ticket about "them".

NO PART of this election should be about the Clintons ....
except as enthusiastic supporters / endorsers.

[Condem]

43. Or voters.

[IndyOp]

25. I am not at all interested in punishing Hillary or her supporters. I admire many

of her supporters.

I do *not* want Hillary on the ticket.

I do not trust her to "campaign her heart out" for Obama.

Turn the page.

[tiptoe]

123. agree. she -- and her Neocon coterie -- are not trustworthy. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

26. A Pyrrhic Victory, At Best

Ugh.

[jgraz]

"We need her as VP"??? What, do you work at WalMart?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

111. You are better than this

comment. You have been civil. Also, people that work at WalMart are not the enemy. They are hard working people trying to support a family.

The corporate entity of WalMart is made up of colossal criminal types...

I think the OP made good points.

I would rather have someone else but I also think there is truth within the OP.

[LiberalAndProud]

27. Good. You'll be ready if that's what Obama decides.

I've decided to let him make the decision. He's got more of the facts than I do. He's done well so far, I expect him to keep doing more of the same.

[CakeGrrl]

28. Do words and actions not count for anything?

People aren't thinking past the actual election...and she is not the only way Obama can win. I don't believe that at all.

This isn't about punishing Hillary; it's about not choosing a liability as a running mate in several respects.

She's mentioned an assassinated presidential candidate 3 or 4 times during this campaign and said the word "assassination" twice. For no truly logical reason.

That should be enough.

But apart from that, she's done everything she can to paint Obama as ill-qualified or illegitimate. And she has a rabid subset of her base completely over the top that she's been wronged in this nomination fight when all that is happened is that she was out-campaigned.

Her polling negatives are not going away just because she's put on the ticket.

Her baggage - and her husband's - is not going away just because she's put on the ticket.

She wants this way, way too much to believe she would be content with #2. What that portends I won't guess.

[Imagevision]

29. Relax! - If Obama handled Billary properly he'll easily defeat McBush

[angee_is_mad]

30. HELL 2 da NO!!!!!!

the clinton's might be able to manipulate the media and brainwash their supporters, but it will a cpld day in hell before that happens.

[MindMatter]

31. For Chrissakes, why are we still talking about this nonsense?

It makes no political sense and Obama will not consider it.

Why? Because he isn't a complete fool.

[gristy]

32. She's got to show she deserves it - she can start her campaign for VP tomorrow night

Obama is in no hurry. Clinton has to show that he can trust her and that she has his back. She has to do this for a month. Then Obama may be able to consider that the positives of Clinton as VP outweigh the negatives.

[Hoof Hearted]

34. It's quite simply the only scenario in which I will vote for him, under any circumstances.

And I'm sure as hell not the only one. I have plenty of company. Scads and chads of it even.

[CakeGrrl]

47. And the remedy to this

is to bring in scads and chads of first-time voters whose incentive is NOT to be drafted into McCain's wars. Pretty simple stuff to offset the spite.

[Mme. Defarge]

37. With respect,

I haven't read your argument, and I have no doubt of your good intentions, but Hillary has disqualified herself as a credible running mate for Obama.

[zulchzulu]

38. Believe me... it's NOT going to happen

:hi:

[paulk]

39. I have thought it would be a unity ticket since before

Super Tuesday. The demographics of the two candidates are very different - it's the only way to unite the party.

[truedelphi]

40. Watching on HBO's "Recount" how Lieberman was a detriment to the

Gore sitaution in Florida's recount - gosh I sure don't want Hillary anywhere near Obama on election day or the day after.

The closer she would be, the more likely she would help throw it to the Repugs.

[Condem]

41. With ya, Kansas

Most Obama people feel they HAVE to disagree.

[Stop Cornyn]

Maybe we can also make roof for Nader on the ticket, too. We NEED him as much as we need Hillary

[Vote2008]

81. This is the crap posts I expected. If you think Nader and Hillary have the same support...

you are not too bright!

[Milo_Bloom]

44. As long as you don't mind losing the anti-war voters.

[Condem]

46. Funny, how more keep pouring out of the woodwork every day.

[Milo_Bloom]

48. The anti-war voters are the reason she lost...

and if Obama chooses her as a VP, they will be the reason he loses in November.

We don't need war mongers on the ticket.

[Condem]

49. You think the only reason she lost , is the war, Milo?

[Milo_Bloom]

50. Only? No. The primary one, yes.

By voting for the war, she alienated the base.

The war is the reason neither she nor Edwards, nor Biden, nor Dodd every had a real chance.

[Condem]

58. Sorry , Milo

Don't agree. I'm from Iowa. Why did Obama win here. It wasn't the war. He was CHANGE. A new voice. Different. I still believe that. The war is certainly not the number one issue now. Is it?

[Milo_Bloom]

61. It doesn't have to be the #1 issue to be the difference.

If Clinton had voted against the war, she likely would have won.

both candidates promised "change"... both campaigned on nearly identical platforms. However, one candidate represented potential honesty and one candidate represented lies and deceit... the war vote is a large part of that deceit.

Obama won in Iowa because of the war. Because the anti-war voters make up a large enough block that they were able to swing the election and they did.

[Condem]

67. Thanks for responding quickly, Milo

My night draws to a close. My caucus( a very large one in Iowa City) had many underlying issues. Yes, the war was one. So was the economy. Immigration. But to say that the war was the issue is wrong. From my personal experience.

[Milo_Bloom]

72. But, how do they differ on those issues?

They have nearly identical platforms.

The distinguishing factor from most I spoke to was "who do you trust and why".

Or better put, who do you NOT TRUST and why.

I don't necessarily trust Obama... it remains to be seen whether he will live up to his promises.

However, I know I cannot trust Clinton as she has shown that when power is potentially on the line, she will do what she thinks may be popular, rather than what is right.

[Auntie Bush]

51. It shouldn't!

"This post will get a lot of insults and rude comments and just plain people getting pissed off. "

You're right...It probably will! But it shouldn't...if people were grown-ups. This is SUPPOSE to be a discussion board...not a snake pit.
People SHOULD be able to post dissenting opinions without being shouted down and thrown in the tar pit. Unfortunately it is no longer like the DU of yesteryear.

I personally think you have given this ample consideration and I think you came to an excellent decision and I agree. Hillary...like her or not... is as popular as Obama. Although you'd never know it listening to MSM and DU....but 1/2 the AMERICAN people think so and therefore she is the only one who can unite and heal this party. You're right...If this party doesn't come together...we will lose this election. Horrors...I can't bare to think of that!

Many people are angry at Hillary supporters because they won't support Obama. Well, that works both ways...then they must be angry at Obama supporters who don't want what's best for the party and offers us the best chance to win this election.

My hat is off to you for your courage. :thumbsup: It's a damn shame it should take courage...but it does...I KNOW!

Thank you for this post :hug:

[stillcool]

52. I have "grave" concerns..

about Hillary near the White House.

[City Lights]

53. I disagree.

She brings two negatives for every positive. She fires up the GOP base and turns off new voters and Independents. Despite her claim, she has not been vetted.

With her on the ticket, Obama's entire change message becomes a joke. How does one turn the page on the old-style politics of Washington with a Clinton on the ticket?

I will support Obama no matter who he chooses for veep, but my enthusiasm will wane if he picks her.

[redstateblues]

54. Just Win Baby- I'm holding my nose-put her on the ticket

[Quixote1818]

55. I hate to say it but I think you may be right. nt

[Barack_America]

56. I think that's short-sighted.

Obama can win the election without Hillary. The more important long-term consideration is that he has a VP he can trust and work with.

[grace0418]

57. Picture a very large bus that's been careening down a mountainous road

for the last 8 years. It's out of control and dangerously close to going over the edge. Already several thousand people have been run over or pushed over the side by this bus, and the passengers are terrified and injured.

Now picture picture Barack Obama volunteering to take over the wheel. It may already be too late to get the bus under control, and it's going to take all the effort he can muster. He's also going to need a copilot to help him navigate the dangerous road ahead.

Does he choose a copilot who will actually help him navigate?

Or does he choose someone who (along with her husband) is going to try to grab the wheel from him, poke him in the eyes, give him wrong directions, second-guess his every move, and cackle with glee when he fails–even if it means she goes over the cliff too. Along with every other passenger on the bus.

[Binka]

94. Grace Take A Look And I Mean Hard At This War Over 4000 troops DEAD & 100,000s Of Iraqis Dead Or Mai

Several thousand is a joke. I appreciate your sentiments but GOOD FUCKING GAWD you say several thousand have been run over? Wake up.

[grace0418]

109. I was writing fast. I meant to write several HUNDRED thousand.

It's too late to edit but I'm sorry to have offended you. I am very much awake, which is the point of my analogy. I do not want Hillary making this dire situation worse by undermining Obama at every turn.

[sellitman]

60. Before I go to bed tonight I will pray.

I will pray Obama has more sense than you.

[Vote2008]

82. Prayer is not real.

[sellitman]

112. To you.

[mia]

62. I strongly disagree.

I too "am so much more worried about winning in November than I am about punishing Hillary and her supporters." It's IS all about winning in November.

I wish that Senator Clinton could have a Cabinet position, although I'm not sure which one.

[VotesForWomen]

63. there's no way O can without her, but even with her they could both go down, so i think she should s

stay out of it IF O gets the nom.

[Piperay]

68. She'd drag Obama down like an anchor

around his neck.

[Onlooker]

64. I agree,

... but I've always liked her. I think Clinton showed how a woman can compete in this society. She has established the image of woman as candidate, which is important to eventually getting one elected. But, I think Obama absolutely needs her as VP in order to unify the party and prevent her from being an issue. I am sure that if he chooses her, there will be many polls and articles questioning his decision every time a poll goes against him or his campaign stumbles. Choosing her will allow the Democratic Party to fully target McCain, and it will cost Obama very few votes, though among those will be some of his most ardent admirers.

[Piperay]

65. NO, she has too much baggage

she'd lose it for us.

[bullimiami]

66. i pretty much agree. i dont think we NEED her but I agree it would be a blockbuster ticket.

the all-stars vs the has-beens.

[nebula]

69. A VP spot is her backdoor into the top position

Pity if something unfortunate were to happen to President Obama, eh?

[McCamy Taylor]

70. Imagine McCain/Kay Bailey Hutchinson ticket vs Obama/Some White Dude

McCain is going to clean up with every single Republican and Independent woman over the age of 18 plus a fair number of Democratic women who will remember that Kay won't use abortion as a litmus test on SCOTUS nominees, and she will likely be the first woman president since McCain won't last four years...

...and John McCain will win.

Think about that before you decide to get all prissy about Hillary Clinton.

[newspeak]

90. some white dude?

I wouldn't mind seeing Webb or Cleland--two who have been in the military and represent the south. It's not just the war--this boondoggle of a war has put us into an economic funk--the man across the street from me started building on the lot, quit because he was laid off--the guy down the street from me started construction on a garage, quit because he was laid off--my hubby and his co-workers, laid off. Now, Clinton thinks that NAFTA, that her hubby signed, along with the telecommunication deregulation, is great and we have all of these decent jobs to show for it--NOT--both, my hubby, my aunt are telephone--my aunt was the first casualty--forced to retire early--now my hubby, hell, he's not old enough to retire and we've been looking for work for over three months. Things are really bad and we need major transition to get out of the current crisis. NAFTA-GATT was shit then and shit now!!!
It is not fair trade, it undermines the democratic will of the people. Just ask someone from CA, when a canadian oil company contaminated their drinking water and CA threw them out for not abiding by environmental rules--they sued under NAFTA and won. Go figure, we paid them for poisoning us.

[Binka]

96. Kay Bailey Hutchinson? Oh Gwad You Are Out Of Your Mind

I am not all prissy about Clinton. She is a walking disaster and your posts are fucking delusional. John McSame is an old fucking geezer dinosaur. He couldn't win if he had NO opponent. Sorry for you a black man is gonna get elected. That is really your rub and all your bluster about EVERYTHING does not hide that. Enjoy Obama McCamy. I am laughing my ass of at you.

[sfam]

71. How 'bout we let Obama decide...I for one TRUST his judgment...

If he thinks Hillary is the one we need both in the election and afterwards, I am more than happy to support Hillary as the next VP.

If Obama thinks Richardson is the one, or Sebelius, or whomever, GREAT!!! I trust his judgment.

[nebula]

91. 'I trust his judgment.'

Then you would be no better than a mindless Hillbot or Bushbot.

I too support Obama, but I don't rely on him or anyone else to do my thinking for me.

Learn to think for yourself!

[sfam]

100. I do think for myself...so much so that I have figured out that...

Barack is in a better position than me to determine who best his VP pick is. If you think you're opinion on who he selects is worth spit - so much that you should be able to influence Barack's opinion, its not me that needs to spend time learning out to sharpen my thinking skills.

[Beregond2]

73. Hillary as a VP candidate is just as big a problem as Hiilary as

a Presidential candidate. She is the one thing sure to motivate the right wingers to turn out to vote against the Dems. Her negatives are infinitely bigger than her positives. Not to mention, if Obama were to choose her, he would lose all the young supporters who have been such an important factor in his success, and all the Dems who now hate her guts for her vile behavior during this campaign. His whole message would be compromised, and he would have the Clintons hanging around his neck like albatrosses for his whole administration.

There is no way in hell he will ever choose her. He doesn't need her anyway. The idea that millions of people will vote for McCain out of spite is absurd.

[stevenleser]

74. I agree. I think we have to do this.

To most quickly put as many of her supporters behind the ticket as possible

[papapi]

75. I don't think we HAVE to do this. But if Obama chooses her, it won't change my vote.

[Secret_Society]

76. Logical and cogent

Completely agree

[pompano]

77. With all do respect....

Not picking someone for a running mate is not "punishment". That is one of those things told enough times that just becomes believable. Merit or creditibility damned.

These politicians have to learn that being asked as a running mate is a thing that is weighed with electibility and a honor. You don't strong arm an invitation to the Veep offer. To make an exception for Hillary only, where and when would it stop?

Hillary should have thought about her Veep option about 10,000 negative campaign tactics ago.

It also is terribly unfair to the other candidates that would make every bit as good a Veeps as she will.

There is not just a coincidence that all, if not almost all, of the the other nominees that were in this race don't suspect something that may cause Obama a ton of headaches down the road.

A person that prides him/herself on leadership should never cower to fit throwers.

There are far too many problems going on right now on this planet to put gender male/female as the first litmus test to gage the best candidate. We don't need the first "anything" in the office, we need the first BEST Candidate in the office.

So, she can raise tons of money? What does that get you? A candidate with the ability to raise money. A candidate with alot of money hasn't fixed anything. You get a mediocre candidate with alot of money? Whoopee!

Mostly, I doubt that Hillary would take the offer even if asked.

On a personal note, Hillary's inability to tell the truth, fabricate the gaps, and frankly loose touch with reality as often as she does leaves me to believe we would be getting closer to what we saw the last 8 years rather than finding a complete different direction to go in. Look at her voting record.

I was not trying to "flame" at all. Just my opinion. Certainly everyone has theirs and most all are different.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

78. doo-

doo

[AtomicKitten]

80. Not a chance.

[casus belli]

83. Sooo, we're rewarding extortion now? n/t

[KansasVoter]

84. She is popular and some of her fans are rabid. We need them!

[crickets]

85. "punishing Hillary and her supporters"? Stop it. -nt

[barack the house]

86. You are so so right I don't wanna be like the protestors. Hillary VP.

[texas_indy]

87. I KNOW we DON'T need her as VP. Sorry, it is TRUE!!!

She is poison to Obama and it will generate political jokes major time showing her waiting for something to happen to Obama during his term in office, like a vulture hovering over him the entire time.

Just imagine the jokes about having a food taster to protect him from HRC or Bill, or the jokes about having the SS protect him from his own VP and her spouse.

And she will energize the repubs like non one else can. We lose if she is on the ticket. Sorry, but it is TRUE.

[goldcanyonaz]

89. O will not win w/o her supporters and I as a clinton supporter do not want her as vp

[iconicgnom]

88. No. This is nonsense of the moment. The primary is over.

The primary is over and events are moving along regardless of Hillary, and after tomorrow Obama will be openly and firmly at the tiller. That's just the way it is. If Hillary should decide to further test this fact there'll not only be a deluge of uncommitted SDs endorsing Obama, but a flood of Hillary SDs crossing over in a display of solidarity and party unity, leaving Hillary isolated. She knows this, and she knows what bridges she burned behind her in her quest. Hillary needs Obama far more than Obama needs Hillary.

It's too bad, but that's the way it is with also-rans in a race for a single place, however many start out the gate. When the winner takes a victory lap for reward there's nobody chasing his tail.

I totally disagree with a notion being floated that should Obama choose a female VP, he must choose Hillary - the notion being otherwise it'd be seen as some kind of slap on the face. Not at all, Hillary wasn't running for VP. VP isn't a position chosen like that, for good reason. Obama should choose the best person for VP on *his ticket*, where compatability with Obama is the sine qua non. We should put no prior restrictions regarding race, sex, or religion, on his choice.

[Why Syzygy]

92. That's FEAR talking. That's just what they want. FIRED UP! READY TO GO!

[dkf]

93. I'm not interested in her version of winning. She pits women against men, whites against blacks.

and older white women against everybody.

She is not the kind of leader we need in this country.

[bowens43]

97. you're wrong of course

the last thing we need is hillary riding to power on Obama's coattails.

[Skittles]

98. one error

women did NOT think it was ever a "sure thing" - certainly not INTELLIGENT women - that's just more media-fed propaganda that too many DUers fell for

[KansasVoter]

99. I disagree! Everyone supporting Hillary thought she could not lose! 90% anyway!

[salguine]

102. FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

[IsItJustMe]

103. Like a whole in the head. That's how much we need Hillary as VP.

[CatnHat]

105. Hillary should

not accept any deals with Obama and his camp.

Let Obama run on his own merits. After the vile and insulting remarks from Obama and his surrogates, Hillary should prepare for 2012; and not waste her time.

I don't care either way; both Obama and McCain are losers.

[canadian_is_cold]

106. Choosing Clinton as VP Would be the Worst Thing Obama Could do.

She is in conflict with his entire platform. Don't think the repigs would not wave that like a flag. She is the embodiment of 'business as usual.' He needs an older person with foreign policy creds who veers a little off the beaten track.

[frickaline]

107. I don't have any hate for her at all, in fact I respect her for

running a campaign in the difficult environment she was faced with. However, I'm not sure VP would really be the best use of Hillary in an Obama cabinet. I wouldn't be adverse to this if he did it but I do agree with some of the concerns over the baggage she would bring with her. The most concerning of which, to me, is the lobbyist support. I find the Bill Clinton issue pretty laughable myself and not really worthy of issue status.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

110. I just recommended your OP

I think you put a lot of thought into this post.

I also think you made good points.

I also think you are correct.

In a perfect world Dennis Kucinich would have been going to the convention. Or John Edwards.

In a perfect world Obama would not be Joe Lieberman's pal.

In a perfect world voting machines would not be rigged and everyones vote would count.

In a perfect world Obama would NEVER have voted to fund the war but facts are facts and he did vote to fund the war before he voted against it.

I do not like Hillary but I do not hate her enough to not see that she does bring a lot of positives to the table. I will not allow some of the insane Hillary and Obama supporters here take away my objectivity by screaming crazy shit.

I hope that instead of people responding to your OP in a visceral manner they will read the whole thing and then try to accept that this may be the ticket that we have at the convention and we better smile and get behind it.

I will vote for them both if they are on my ballot.

[merkins]

113. D.O.A.

N.F.W.

[yurbud]

115. pro-Hillary sites for McCain sounds like astroturf that she would be paying for

or rather going into debt for.

This is a not so subtle threat that if Obama doesn't pick Hillary, she will try to undermine him in the general election.

[yurbud]

116. Has anyone campaigned so openly and shamelessly for VP before

and then gone on to get it?

[yurbud]

118. if Hillary had used this kind of single-minded focus to undermine Bush for the last six years...

she would have been coronated just like she expected. Instead, she seems to be be sucking up to republicans and shitting down on democrats.

It would be foolish for Obama to choose her, and would frankly tarnish him.

[davidpdx]

120. I believe it would be a huge mistake

for him to put her on the ticket. There are plenty of alternatives including putting well known and strong Clinton supporters on the ticket. It seems to be only the Clinton supporters that are pushing that idea. If this election is truly about changing the way things are done in Washington, why would we want to put someone who supports politics as usual.

[my3boyz]

121. Win or Lose I don't want Obama anywhere near a ticket with Hillary! nt

[ShortnFiery]

122. NO WAY IN HELL! :( em

[gmudem]

124. There's so much baggage we don't even know about yet with them

And a lot of it is bound to come out in a general election. She has already said McCain is more qualified to be president than Obama, so why on earth would Obama let her on the ticket after that?

The fact is she probably would be VP if she hadn't said so many incredibly stupid things, but combine that with all of the shady business dealings of the Clintons and there is no way a smart person would put her on the ticket.