Robyn66
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I have been giving this a lot of thought over the last couple of weeks because I cannot wrap my head around Democratic women being willing to throw hard won rights away, voting for someone only because she is a woman or demonstrating a terrible stereotype about women being so self absorbed we cannot see past our own vanity that we put our personal preference for a candidate before what is best for our country. I am sure there are some women like that, but the number is very small.
I think what has come in to play is Operation Chaos. It’s funny to me that we haven't seen any organized group of women from the Limbaugh crowd (that I have heard of anyway) protesting that Hillary belongs home baking cookies or any other "typical" conservative nonsense. It all ads up when you have someone like Anne (gag) Coulter who has said previously women should not have the right to even vote. You would think she would be lead pitch fork bearer on a woman running for President! But instead she is a Hillary supporter (interesting). Couple that with big Hillary fan Pat Buchanan and then Limbaugh promoting Operation Chaos and I think it’s really all there. Especially when for years this same group of people has been saying that Hillary is their DREAM candidate because she will unite the Republican Party.
Operation Chaos would be enough people to skew polls of Hillary supporters saying they won’t support Obama in November, and provide enough cross over votes for some of the closer primary races. Plus they got the added bonus of being able to express and hide their racism in the Democratic Party as rabid Hillary supporters who scream something like Barak is an "inadequate black man" (not sure if that is the exact wording).
Let’s face it; Hillary does not want women to lose the right to choose, or any of the other terrible things that will happen if McCain gets in. And anyone who really supports Hillary or knows her record would feel the same way. True Hillary supporters are going to work like hell to get a Democrat in the Whitehouse because they are intelligent people just like most Democrats are.
Do I think there are some bitter and disappointed Hillary supporters right now, yes I do. It is very disappointing for someone you believe in strongly to lose. I was heartbroken when John Edwards dropped out. But do I think the true Hillary supporters will unite with the party in November? Absolutely I do.
I think we need to recognize what we are seeing. I think most people have a gut feeling about who the real Democrats are. If you are going to vote for McCain then you aren’t a Democrat. There is nothing anyone on a message board can do to stop you.
I suggest that we recognize the Operation Chaos Agents for what they are and refuse to respond to the blatantly inflammatory posts. The people who personally attack Barak and his family are only doing it for a reaction. You aren’t going to make them mad by responding but they are getting a lot of entertainment from reading your responses.
Just my opinion, take it for what its worth.
I am glad this is almost over! :toast:
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:31 AM
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1. Wikileaks got a memo that agrees with you. |
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MEMORANDUM
To: ******* From: S. Schmidt Date: May 15, 2008 Subject: Clinton Strategy
According to both internal polling and exit polls by independent news organizations, the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly polarized along certain segments of its base. The recent result in West Virginia, while generally unsurprising and definitely unlikely to cause any real shift in the race, highlights the growing bitterness between certain supporters of Clinton and the Obama camp in general. This unique situation has created an opening that could help depress the turnout of key Democratic demographics in November. The specific group we are targeting is a cross-section of white, female voters over the age of 40. Internal polling reveals that this group is the most likely to support John McCain after Obama wins the nomination. However, we expect Obama’s numbers to improve following Clinton’s drop. Our job is to make sure that number stays as low as possible.
Our limited financial resources and the media’s attention on the Democratic race, however, prevent us from reaching this group. Our aim is to point out specific issues that we believe resonate well:
1. Sen. Obama’s connection to Rev. Wright 2. His inexperience 3. His links to the corrupt Chicago political machine
However, we cannot fully achieve this goal without a greater commitment on the part of McCain’s fundraisers and our various media partners. In lieu of that, we have developed a number of inexpensive ways to reach this audience. We have already worked to reinforce the Clinton campaign’s narrative about the unfair treatment that some networks, specifically MSNBC, have given her camp. We are also planning to unroll a new campaign to highlight Obama’s experience deficit.
Simultaneously, our team has been testing new lines of attack through independent pro-Clinton communities on the Internet. Our hope is that our message here will spread by word-of-mouth. Our local community organizing has also been successful. We have organized dozens of “meet-ups” across the country for Clinton supporters, and we have used that time to stress the importance of punishing the DNC for choosing the undemocratically selected far-left Obama. At the moment, this is nothing more than a headache for the Obama campaign. With a greater commitment on your part, I hope to see it metastasize into something much more.
Let me know if you need more detail. -S
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:49 AM
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:50 AM
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14. WOW. WOW. WOW. Please post link to Wikileak's memo. Thx. (n/t) |
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:59 AM
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23. Well they got one point correct.... |
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MSNBC certainly has been in Obama's camp and has been unfair to Hillary in doing so. It is very poor journalism to take sides in a race while promoting their impartiality.
Slings and arrows makes me a quiver.
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Tue Jun-03-08 12:59 PM
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34. Nice to meet their target demographic |
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:36 AM
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3. Rec'd, and a belated welcome to DU! nt |
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:45 AM
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11. and another Recommended |
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:37 AM
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4. Operation Chaos has been a success for Rush. You're right. |
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You're right about the way the Rushbos have warped our perceptions. I believe many of the so called Hillary extremists are in fact Rushbo types. They never intended to vote for Hillary in the fall. They tilted Texas and Indiana for sure, and probably others.
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:44 AM
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20. I guess we need to remember that there is no such thing |
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as too low for the Republicans to stoop!
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:38 AM
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5. Yes, knocking on doors for Obama, every Hillary supporter I talk to says they will vote Obama in the |
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GE if he's the nominee.
Our phone bankers sometimes talk to people who flat out tell them they are voting Hillary for Operation Chaos.
So i think you are basically correct. Democrats are going to vote for Democrats, either in the primary or in the GE.
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Tue Jun-03-08 11:32 AM
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26. Is it that Dems are too trusting? |
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I guess we beleive people are supporters just because they say they are. Do you ever think Dems would pull the same kind of stunt? I don't want to act like we own the moral high ground or anything but I can't see a Democrat doing something like that.
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Tue Jun-03-08 07:32 PM
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36. Those people who just play games are tiring. The other factor in this election is that |
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Sen Clinton kept trying to make the case that she was the more electable, so the interests of her surrogates and the Operation Chaos folks somewhat dovetailed.
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:39 AM
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6. I don't know why women would be upset with the Democratic Party |
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after all, Hillary came in a close second and won a lot of states. I doubt that would happen in the Republican party with Condi. If Hillary had run a slightly better campaign perhaps things would be different but the bottom line is she did very well in our party.
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:05 AM
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it proves that we really have come a long way. After all 20 years ago a woman running for President was a joke. Hillary being taken seriously was a huge step for women in this country!
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:40 AM
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it kind of makes me giggle to think of the name "Operation Chaos" or "Chaos Operative" because it makes me think of "Get Smart"! But it isn't funny what they have done!!!
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Tue Jun-03-08 12:42 PM
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32. You should spell it Kaos, just to brand them for what they are. :) nt |
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:42 AM
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Even HRC has to know what Operation Chaos has done.
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Tue Jun-03-08 09:47 AM
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12. Concurring Completely |
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:04 AM
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16. Agree ... and Welcome! |
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:09 AM
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19. Operation Chaos is easy |
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I picture someone sitting at a desk with buttons in front of him, labeled: RACISM, SEXISM, GAY BASHING, and so many others, pushing one button after another and watching us be played. We are making it easy for them. Meanwhile McCain is being propped up as a viable candidate, with baggage bigger than all the candidates combined.
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:46 AM
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21. Unfortunately, I actually know some women IRL who definitely consider themselves |
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Democrats and feminists who have openly stated they will vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nomination. They may consider themselves Democrats and feminists, but I won't bother typing what I consider them.
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Tue Jun-03-08 10:50 AM
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22. They may be extremely hurt and angry right now |
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that Hillary lost. And they may feel that she has not been treated fairly, but if they are feminists they are far too intelligent to vote for McCain. They will vote for the Democrat, because the alternative is too horrible to consider.
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Tue Jun-03-08 11:02 AM
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24. I have long suspected that Hillary supporter sites have been infiltrated |
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Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 11:03 AM by WIllo
Hillary could have nipped a lot if this in the bud. But, unfortunately she chose to open these doors and continues to welcome in and feed some of this nonsense.
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Tue Jun-03-08 11:34 AM
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27. Some of them are Phoenix based and created. |
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Gee, I wonder who they're supporting for president?
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Tue Jun-03-08 11:36 AM
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28. I can't imagine! (nt) |
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29. I can't imagine! (nt) |
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Tue Jun-03-08 11:04 AM
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25. The right to vote, and the right to have it counted, supercedes all others. |
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Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 11:09 AM by Iceburg
How patronizing to suggest that women are 1-issue voters.
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Tue Jun-03-08 12:39 PM
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31. This also applies to those who claim they'll simply not vote. |
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As if that is anymore believable coming from a feminist democrat.
Politics was more fun when the deniability was plausible.
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