Reading the DNC rules again and found this.

[LiberalFighter]

Rule 1a specifies that a violation requires that the pledged delegates and alternate delegates be reduced by 50%

AND none of the DNC members or other unpledged delegates shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation.

These are automatic penalties.

See Rule 20 C

[Kajsa]

1. Thank you, Liberal Fighter.

DELEGATE SELECTION RULES

FOR THE 2008
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION


As adopted by the Democratic National Committee, August 19, 2006.

These rules were in place and agreed upon long before
the primaries began this year.

Thanks for posting this.

:)

[vaberella]

2. This was mentioned at the DNC meeting.

I believe it was mentioned about three times. Because I remember Co-Chair Roosevelt say something along the lines to I believe Florida, "...but you are aware there is an automatic 50% reduction as penalty"

This is why I don't understand the Hillary Clinton supporters at the DNC. Both on the panel and those in the audience. It was stated several times as clarification. The supporters on the panel voted for it and then they turn it around on the Obama people.

Even if Clinton had the pledged delegates needed to win the nomination and she was still seeking that Michigan and Florida be seated, they would be at a 50% reduction.

These people are switching the rules as they see fit. This was why I liked Donna Brazile about the cheating. They were essentially trying to cheat people out of votes that they don't know would have gone, one way or another. They make it seem as though all of Clinton's voters are Clinton's voteres and she wants to disenfranchise all the voters of a man because his name wasn't on a ballot that wasn't going to count. It's like seat all the delegates as long as it works to our advantage.


Makes me sick. I sat through the entire 9-10 hour meeting and I was disgusted by the Clinton camp for trying to play semantics with the words, messing with the audiences emotions---tht's what Harold Ickes did---spewing propoganda and turning it into an Obama vs. Clinton thing. They reread the Michigan proposal over and over and over again---nothing stated about giving Obama Hillary's votes. However one can see uncomitted as a vote in an election which wasn't counted in regards to Edwards and Obama even if they weren't on the list. Since Mark Brewer and Levins stated that people were told at the voting poll to vote uncomitted if they're candidate is not on the list.


This thing is utter silly and the rules were followed. I thought the DNC did Michigan and Florida a favor by even counting them during the election since it was stated they would not be counted in the first place for violating the nomination date.

[Independent-Voter]

3. HRC's bunch of clowns are willfully ignorant. Don't sweat it.

[LiberalFighter]

4. I saw a bit with the Ausman guy from Florida and he didn't impress me.

I believe he was trying to say that the DNC members for Florida by rule could not be penalized. I guess he didn't like the idea that he wouldn't be included in the Florida delegation.

I also saw the bit (on the Daily Show) where they were mentioning all these voters saying that their vote would be denied if they weren't 100% seated. The problem was it wasn't the voters that violated the rules. But of course they were entirely blameless.

Before reading the rules I was advocating that Florida & Michigan receive %50 of the votes from their pledged delegates and the unpledged delegates not be seated or have a vote. And the only reasoning I can see why that is in the rules is to provide an incentive for the unpledged delegates to use their pull on the legislative body.