CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN CHAOS RIGHT NOW

[berni_mccoy]

First it was McAuliffe on NBC this morning stating it was over and that it would not be going further.

Then it was the AP reporting that Clinton would concede Obama's win.
(on edit: as a poster called out below, McAuliffe was behind this AP report as well... WTH?!)

Now McAuliffe is back in the news saying that's all wrong, that it's not over.

Guess what: this is the death-throes of a poorly run campaign that could not stay on message and could not control their staff.

It's over, whether she admits it or not. It's over.

[mdmc]

1. I hope her and Gerry F. go third party

sisters!

[ORDem]

79. Err, why? In order to ensure McCain wins and Roe v. Wade goes down the drain??

WTF?

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Bargaining or is this depression?

Soon you'll move to acceptance

[stillcool]

108. I think they already have....

[kaygore]

117. Gerry F. has multiple myeloma and is just plain lucky to still be alive

There is no way that her health issues would enable her to run: Both the stamina needed as well as the fact that she is living under a death sentence which the media would use an a weapon against the ticket.

Such a run by Clinton would seal her fate on the dust heap of history.

[kaygore]

118. Gerry F. has multiple myeloma and is just plain lucky to still be alive

There is no way that her health issues would enable her to run: Both the stamina needed as well as the fact that she is living under a death sentence which the media would use an a weapon against the ticket.

Such a run by Clinton would seal her fate on the dust heap of history.

[Bread and Circus]

2. The only time they could stay "on message" was when they were whipping white voters

in the rust belt and appalachia into a froth.

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. Hillary's campaign has always had the organizational skills of a box of ferrets....

Did McAuliff actually appear on camera with a bottle of rum? I read that here yesterday but thought it was a joke. Now MSNBC is reporting it. If it's true, this goes beyond anything I've ever heard of before.

[Bread and Circus]

104. That was real. You can watch the video on Huffpo. He's cute but crazy.

[VolcanoJen]

3. Well, it's at least clear that there are factions with Hillaryland that are at war with each other.

My hunch is the Hillary crowd was AP's source, and the Bill crowd (McAuliffe, Ickes, et al) immediately shot it down.

It's pathetic, it's cartoonish, and it's unprofessional.

[Skwmom]

18. And it's just another day in the life of Campaign Clinton. Watching this dysfunctional bunch is

exhausting.

[VolcanoJen]

39. Gawd, isn't it?

Hillaryland is an utter embarrasment today. Unbelievable. The circus needs to leave town already.

[Window]

41. It truly is exhausting. At this point, I don't care what in hell Clinton does.

I've had it.

[Boz]

26. McAuliffe was the source of AP report, assumptions followed and lead to the whirlwind

When McAuliffe said on teh Today show which the AP was reporting that she would acknowledge him being the nominee when he reaches the number tonight people assumed that meant she would concede, because thats what it means in normal situations and politics.

This is the result of parsing by Hillarys campaign, people cant keep up with the double speak.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Let's hope the affliction is nothing trivial.

[Eurobabe]

5. This story or non-story makes the Dems look REALLY disorganized

and STOOPID. :eyes:

Maybe it was a CON operative that put it out? KKKarl??

[berni_mccoy]

7. No, it just makes Clinton's campaign look that way.

[Eurobabe]

20. when you throw a bullet in the furnace it reflects on your mother and father n/t

[berni_mccoy]

27. Yes, her campaign has been an embarrassment to the party. But that's all the more reason

Obama represents change for a better party and a better America.

BTW, I love that saying. Never heard it before.

[Eurobabe]

38. Obama sure isn't looking stupid.

:hi:

[dascientist]

13. ALL Dems, or just Hillary's campaign?

[movonne]

32. Well I don't think it makes the Obama camp look disoraganized..he

is just waiting for hillary to make up her mind how this this is going down...he is the nominee and he just has to wait for hillary to get her act together...

[BlooInBloo]

54. Just Clinton, tiger - just Clinton. Obama's campaign has been a model of organization....

for others to follow.

[tridim]

6. It's a final reminder of why Sen Clinton is not ready to run the country. nt

[berni_mccoy]

11. DING DING DING DING DING! We have a WINNER!

[EFerrari]

57. This is so unfair to their supporters.

:(

[berni_mccoy]

86. I know. What Clinton's campaign is doing is sad.

[EFerrari]

90. My mom is 75. She doesn't need to be jerked around like this.

I hope they manage to get their act together. At very least, I hope the corporate media focus on tonight's returns instead of this bs.

[DevonRex]

8. Man, I'd hate to see what they'd do running a country. I think

Hillary deserves better than this from her own people.

[Labors of Hercules]

21. Hillary should be in control of her own fucking message.

This is ridiculous in the extreme.

[DevonRex]

55. She should be. But something has gone really, really wrong over there. nt

[Diane R]

23. Hilllary deserves the people she chose....it's time to stop letting her be a victim of others.

[DevonRex]

59. What I don't understand is why she stuck with them. That's one

of the biggest mysteries to me and what points to bad judgment and inability to lead.

[bridgit]

9. This isn't AP, right? You're declaring it in "CHAOS"?

:spray:

[Poll_Blind]

10. I just got a phone call that Harold Ickes is running amok outside of the Westin in Manhatton.

Apparently he's throwing his shit at people passing by and crying like Truman Capote after a drinking binge. Staff are reluctant to approach because of how much room service he ordered last night.

PB

[Skwmom]

12. They are one dysfunctional group.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. a dirty trick and a new low at Obama team trying to supress the Clinton vote in SD and MO

[tridim]

17. Is that the new talking point?

I've seen it twice in the last 5 minutes.

[VolcanoJen]

46. Yep, something like three Hillarylanders responded to a post of mine...

... in another thread that the AP and Obama have long been in cahoots to destroy Hillary Clinton.

Seriously. They said "it's a well-known fact."

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[berni_mccoy]

24. Somebody GET THE TINFOIL! AND BE QUICK ABOUT IT!

[greguganus]

37. She's melting!! She's melting!! n/t

[greguganus]

33. One last conference call before you go down in flames? n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. McAwful works for Obama?

:crazy:

[Schema Thing]

36. yeh, how does that work again?

"we paid Clinton insiders a (insert: Dr. Evil pinky gesture: ) million dollars to say it was over...."

[Fire_brand]

43. Missouri?

[C_U_L8R]

45. Yeah, that's pretty tricky how they got McAulliffe to say that

must be those dastardly super mind control powers at work again : - )))

[movonne]

47. you are either joking or you have lost it....

[Starbucks Anarchist]

49. Prove it.

[Window]

51. Oh, please.

Every stupid thing Clinton's camp pain says and does is Sen. Obama's fault. Get a grip. All this damned whining is annoying.

[Inuca]

60. I hope against hope that

you simply CANNOT believe the absurd things you are saying.

[DevonRex]

64. How long ago did you fly over the cuckoo's nest?

[smoogatz]

65. Turn out the liiiiiiiiighttttssss

the party's ovvverrrrrrrrrrr....

Sing it with me, everybody!

[Shakespeare]

68. Obama somehow took control of McCauliffe's mouth and made him say that?

Give me a fucking break.

[Tatiana]

74. Did Bill Clinton tell you that? n/t

[madrchsod]

76. did you get an email to use this talking point....

do you have any facts to back that up?

[berni_mccoy]

101. *crickets* no response to anyone who nailed the lies spouted from that poster.

[madrchsod]

105. i wonder what thier mydu looks like......lol

[NightWatcher]

15. the supers could end this now. Terry said the race will go till someone has the number

end this now supers. Obama says he has 35 of them. That would do it along with what he gets tonight

[Hutzpa]

16. ******** Its Official: Hillary's campaing is delusional ********

<now seating...tapping finger waiting for delusional response from Hillary supporters>

They live in cloud koko land......:eyes: :crazy:

[WA98296]

31. Is it the "campaign" or the candidate who is unstable?

[Hutzpa]

52. Based on evidence

it is safe to say both at this present time.... one
minute Terry 'Baghdad Bob' McAuliffe is telling NBC
that she will concede tonite and now he says she will
not concede but will continue fighting.

If this is not delusional I don't know what else is, she
can't win the nomination unless the Republicans are meddling
with the Democrats which I won't be surprised.


:crazy:

[WA98296]

66. I don't ever remember anything this crazy in a campaign

[grantcart]

19. Can you imagine Terry MacAuliffe as VP Press Secretary lol

That would be like making Gomer Pyle head of the Joint Cheifs lol


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::

[WA98296]

94. Press Sec...Best Laugh of the day!

[WeDidIt]

22. I think they're just messing with the media right now

Now go along and let them have their fun.

[libnnc]

28. that's exactly what they're doing

[Raster]

40. I LOVE your sig line!!! Patsy and Eddie are two of my faves!!!

Change is good, however, I see nothing wrong with Boli, Stoli and uppers.

[libnnc]

63. Cheers sweetie

[Raster]

67. Back at ya, Baybee!

:toast:

[libnnc]

25. I wish the networks would refuse to talk to them

until they get their stories straight

watching Tamara (don't know her last name) on MSNBC trying to get some info out of Ickes and he kept stonewalling.

I wish she would have said, "Well, if you're not ready to answer a simple question, then this interview is over...we're moving on to more concrete news."

Cut these asshole campaign operatives off.

[greguganus]

42. Hillary's campaign is the REAL Operation Chaos. n/t

[movonne]

56. and the think that many her see her as a vp1..and vp2 bill..

[algol]

29. If nothing else, they certainly aren't boring n/t

[Poll_Blind]

30. Imagine being a Clinton supporter and seeing this conflicting messages from the TOP.

  Oh well, they had to learn sometime. Still, even I am surprised. Poorly-run. Run dirty. Willing to grab the national spotlight to make insane demands.

  Sheesh.

PB

[MindMatter]

35. Too bad she couldn't do all of this campaigning stuff at 3AM

I hear she is really sharp at 3AM.

[berni_mccoy]

44. Somewhere in the world, it's 3AM

And nobody's answering the phone.

[merh]

70. okay, that made me laugh out loud.

:rofl:

[4themind]

48. Seems like her campaign doesn't have an exit strategy....

makes me wonder about her effectiveness of executing an exit strategy for iraq if she were president...

[Hutzpa]

58. Nope, its the same ol' politics

doesn't surprise me the utmost considering Bush screw up with
exit strategy in Iraq.

[SoCalDem]

82. She's just trying to rain on his parade

She KNOWS he planned to claim victory tonight,and WILL have the delegates..

He has had this whole thing WON since March 4, and because the media kept re-inflating her balloon every few weeks, she was able to continue to lose, week after week, month after month, and throw shit at him every day..

This whole campaign has been media-driven to feed THEIR beast...

Hillary is just being Hillary..Everything's about HER..Her feelings, Her possibility of winning, Her message..She cannot comprehend that she lost, and has NO plans to ever really allow him to take a victory lap..

[redstate_democrat]

50. She will NOT concede.

SHe is flaming out right now! She is threatening taking this to the CC if Supers don't respect her and come out en masse before she gets a chance to make her case to them. Some of her Supers may switch today if she flames out!

[Clear Blue Sky]

53. Her campaign reminds me of a chicken with its head cut off.

It keeps running around even though it is technically dead.

[berni_mccoy]

62. LOL!

[Tom Rinaldo]

61. No. We, the public, are in chaos because we insist on things being said

...before the appropriate time for them to be said. The polls are still open in South Dakota and Montana. No matter what may have been decided behind whatever scenes, there is no way in Hell Hillary Clinton went to this much trouble to see this through to the end so that all of America's voters get a chance to be heard (which is a good political stance and valuable to her legacy) only to have her campaign openly talk about how Obama has the delegates he needs for victory a few hours before the final polls close. If she wanted to send that message it would have been sent last week. No, she staked out a position - she would see this through to the end and then look at the bigger questions then. Her campaign could not confirm rumors about Hillary acknowledging Obama had the votes before the polls closed now even if they wanted to. It would trample on her own message.

[berni_mccoy]

80. McAuliffe is the spokesperson behind ALL THREE announcements.

He can't control what he says or the Campaign doesn't have a clear message. Either way, you can't blame the people or the media for this.

[KoKo]

110. Well said, Tom...! eom.

[CaptJasHook]

69. Let it Sink

This thread and the Hillary campaign.

Just let it go....

[berni_mccoy]

87. I don't agree. What she is doing and how she is diong it needs to be exposed.

[CaptJasHook]

99. Didn't you reply to a post yesterday with a tone of reconciliation?

This is close to least of what she has done and it is not surprising. Why don't you wait a few days when it changes again?

No offense, but dragging this outrage out again, and again, and again is non-productive, uninteresting and meaningless. She lost, she will continue to fight, she take tenacious to a pathological level, she says outrageous things, etc., etc., etc.

The continued obsession with Hillary is beginning to look a little neurotic as well. Let it goooooooo.

[Onlooker]

71. I think it's very clear what's going on

She's going to suspend her campaign, acknowledge Obama's success, and do what John Edwards did, not release her delegates until the time is right.

The media seems to be in a bit of chaos, but I really doubt that Clinton and her top advisers are.

[berni_mccoy]

84. I disagree. If she's playing the media on this, it reflects really bad on her and her campaign.

not to mention it's a terrible thing to do to her supporters.

[myrna minx]

72. Why does this feel like a Seinfeld episode?

It reminds me of when George tells Susan's parents that he owns a home in the Hamptons. They call his bluff, yet he insists on driving them to the end of Long Island before he fesses up that he doesn't own a house in the Hamptons.

[Willo]

85. ROFL. I remember that. nt

[rodeodance]

73. The only thing in chaos is an over zealous msm and DU members who cling to

every word and misinterpretation the msm spews.

[berni_mccoy]

75. In case you missed the "on edit" comment: McAuliffe is behind ALL THREE announcements.

He can't get the story straight because the Campaign is in Chaos.

[BenDavid]

77. well hell! if it was such a poorly ran campaign it at least had MOST

of you obama folks scared shitless and thus you all had to resort to hate and vile name calling and did your best to turn hrc and bill into white supremists. But I do not fault you obama folks for this. It was something the campaign did and the whoremedia went along with and within a six month period, the man blacks said was the first black president, became a sheet wearing cross burning racist....there was no need for hrc to play the race card. it is not in their nature to do anything like this, but it happened, and I look for the speech obama will give asking for forgiveness from the clintons about this racial divisiness that he, his campaign and the media began against them..It will not be forthcoming of course, but as I have written often the only way obama could even win this campaign was to play the race card and blame hrc. he did and that allowed others to post their vile comments......and hey, even I was called a bigot, racist as well as others that did not support obama and still do not, but that is okay, and maybe obama will win in november.

I hope he does because if not this forum will implode with all the blame directed at hrc and bill but your disappoinment should be directed at obama for being " just a politician".

[madrchsod]

81. so you are leaving after obama gets the delegate nomination?

[berni_mccoy]

83. Face it. Her campaign was a miserable failure. She was supposed to wrap this up on Super Tuesday

She had every advantage: a war chest full of cash. Name recognition. Nearly 200 super delegate endorsements to start. Bill Clinton. Political machinery in every state.

She trusted Mark Penn's winner-take-all strategy which was the worst decision anyone could have made.

She started going into personal attacks after losing the early primaries.

She got desperate and ran to RW media outlets after losing 14 straight contests.

She started pandering toward racism and religous bigotry.

Her campaign is a failure and could not stay on message or control her staffers.

It's over.

[EFerrari]

91. Speaking of racial division, hillaryis44 has that bigot Christian on their front page. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

96. Nice catch.

[BenDavid]

78. well hell! if it was such a poorly ran campaign it at least had MOST

of you obama folks scared shitless and thus you all had to resort to hate and vile name calling and did your best to turn hrc and bill into white supremists. But I do not fault you obama folks for this. It was something the campaign did and the whoremedia went along with and within a six month period, the man blacks said was the first black president, became a sheet wearing cross burning racist....there was no need for hrc to play the race card. it is not in their nature to do anything like this, but it happened, and I look for the speech obama will give asking for forgiveness from the clintons about this racial divisiness that he, his campaign and the media began against them..It will not be forthcoming of course, but as I have written often the only way obama could even win this campaign was to play the race card and blame hrc. he did and that allowed others to post their vile comments......and hey, even I was called a bigot, racist as well as others that did not support obama and still do not, but that is okay, and maybe obama will win in november.

I hope he does because if not this forum will implode with all the blame directed at hrc and bill but your disappoinment should be directed at obama for being " just a politician".

[grantcart]

97. nobody has done more of this than you

hate and vile name calling

[berni_mccoy]

100. Amen to that!

[David__77]

88. Why chaos?

Maybe it's a selected strategy. It's laying the groundwork for unity while continuing the campaign until Obama gets his majority.

[berni_mccoy]

92. Any 'strategy' that makes you look like you can't get your message straight is either

a losing strategy or a desperate one. It's a deaththroe of the campaign that they can't get a solid exit strategy straight.

[David__77]

93. I do not think it would be a good strategy.

But it may be on purpose. That is all I mean. And for a campaign that has been so wrong on strategy, a bad strategy would not be surprising in the least.

[berni_mccoy]

95. Let's assume it was intentional: what is the gain? Prolonging the inevitable? Buying time?

Trying to sway SDs (who have already made up their minds, just not announced)?

What gain could they possibly get from looking like they don't have their head on straight?

[berni_mccoy]

102. Ah, now it's revealed. Chuck Todd on MSNBC just said Clinton is trying to steal spotlight

Make this about her loss when it should be about an Historic Achievement: the first African American Presidential Nominee.

[David__77]

103. That's along the lines of what I was thinking.

For a certain time, the spotlight was focused more on Obama vs. McCain. The dynamic is deadly for her. It's irrelevant a few weeks out from here of course, either way. I hope she will be a good senator supporting a progressive agenda. Obama will be nominee and I hope she vigorously supports him and his running mate.

[billyoc]

106. I don't deserve to be this happy.

I really don't. :rofl:

[cboy4]

107. Wow, another "it's over" thread. How original.

:eyes:

[berni_mccoy]

113. Yep, you nailed me. One Big Ol' It's Over Thread YEEEEEEHAAAAWWWW!

[cboy4]

114. I forgot to mention you're pathetic.

Nailed you on that also. YEEEEEEHAAAAWWWW!

[berni_mccoy]

115. Awwwww, now your just projecting. GFY.

[AntiFascist]

109. Karma...

Operation Chaos consumes McAuliffe's brain.

[Irishonly]

111. It's not fair

It's confusing and it is not fair to her supporters nor the Obama campaign playing this yes, she is and no, she is not game. You need a blasted score card to keep it straight.

[Swamp Rat]

112. He's done one too many lines.

[berni_mccoy]

116. LOLOLOL!