Dem challenging Kerry for the nomination is pro impeachment and for single-payer health care

[Clintonista2]

I posted earlier about Ed O'reilly, the man trying to challenge Kerry in the primary (with Kerry UNdemocratically trying to keep the guy off the ballot). O'reilly has been endorsed by the Progressive Democrats of America, and I suggest you check him out:


“Like you, I am looking forward to progressive change. If I win the Democratic primary and the subsequent general election, you can count on me to file a Senate counterpart to the National Health Insurance Act (HR 676) that Representative John Conyers has sponsored in the House. By the time of my swearing-in, there will be a new president--a Democrat, I hope. So my only regret is that I will not be able to vote for the removal of Cheney and Bush from office subsequent to their impeachment. In my opinion, they should face an investigation for war crimes and lying to the American people on hundreds of occasions."

http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/campaigns/2008-01-31-09-15-31-campaigns.php

[rox63]

1. O'Reilly has no experience at anything - He couldn't even handle the Gloucester School Board

He is blowing smoke out his a**. Kerry's seat isn't changing hands. And as one of his constituents, I'm very glad that's the case.

[Clintonista2]

2. Neither does Obama

That doesn't seem to stop you from supporting him.

[rox63]

4. Obama has tackled a lot bigger issues than a freakin' school board

O'Reilly couldn't even handle that job. He quit before his term was up.

[Kittycat]

6. Obama does have experience, you just refuse to recognize it.

Tonights our night, don't spoil it. Many here are trying to be nice about all this, it might help if you get with the program and at least pretend you are as well.

[blm]

11. Experience YOU prefer is from those who protected BushInc the most throughout the 90s.

And experience in backstabbing other Democrats who opposed Bush, and experience in sabotaging Dem voters.


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[beachmom]

64. What is your effing problem? Have you forgotten Obama has MORE LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE than Hillary?

[busymom]

41. Hey, I thought it was time for CHANGE in this country.

Isn't O'Reilly wanting to bring hope and change? We should support that.

[blm]

54. You don't get rid of Dems who uncovered more govt corruption of BushInc than any lawmaker

in modern history.

Of course, the coverup wing of the party that you support doesn't like the best anti-corruption, open government Democrats and do work against them.

We saw that in 2004.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill always siding with Bush on Iraq during his 2004 book tour was your idea of a Dem statesman, right?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville's sabotage of Ohio Dem voters was your idea of change, eh?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Whenever Clintons side with Bushes, it always brings cheers from her fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[karynnj]

55. No, not when he tells the BG that Kerry needs to answer the SBVT

That is not change or hope.

[leftofcool]

3. Pro-impeachment? Single Payer Health Care? I like him already

[blm]

9. FRaud with all the left talking points. He's a Clinton loyalist who shares THEIR agenda for BushInc

and the powerful elite.

They set him up to pester Kerry - that's all. Uninformed people might fall for his line of shit, but no one with a shred of integrity would.

[leftofcool]

10. Is it alright with you if I do some research and decide for myself?

[Clintonista2]

12. Oh lord, looks like blm has a new conspiracy theory

Is he finally giving up his claim that Clinton carpet-bombed Detroit with bags of cocaine? :eyes:

[leftofcool]

15. Bill did that? Or was it Hillary?

Those two sure get around.

[Clintonista2]

Bill did it

[leftofcool]

23. Damn! He might have at least shared...........

[blm]

18. I never said that - you made up that strawman because you can't deal with the FACT

that when the CIA drugrunning report came out in 1996, Clinton sided with protecting Poppy Bush's secrecy and privilege as the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter was targeted for a takedown by official DC.

Gee - why would YOUR SIDE OF THE PARTY want to do that for BushInc?

[blm]

16. Go ahead. But you never bothered to read the BCCI report or notice the protection Clintons

gave to BushInc throughout the 90s as they targeted investigative reporters who dared to write about the CIA drugrunning operation, did you?

You claim to be a lefty and then side every time with those who protected BushInc the most.

By all means try performing some REAL research for a change.

[leftofcool]

20. tinfoil hat much?

[blm]

35. If you're sure BCCI's tinfoil then you must've seen proof Bill handled it appropriately and didn't

deep-six its outstanding matters for Poppy Bush and Jackson Stephens throughout the 90s. Please share with us what you learned about how GHWBush and Stephens, and Dubai and Saudi royals, Marc Rich and Bin Ladens and AQ Khan were all held accountable in BCCI matters by Bill Clinton. We're all ears.

[Forkboy]

5. And he still isn't even going to come close to winning here.

Despite your desire to see Kerry taken out.

[blm]

7. O'Reilly is a FRAUD. He's acting like a lefty but is just a stooge who got into the race for Clinton

so they could try and keep Kerry distracted from helping Obama. O'Reilly is a total stooge who even went so far as to declare the swifts had a point and that Kerry never dispelled their charges. You want to call that integrity?

Clinton loyalists are pissed that they received payback from Kerry for their backstabbing of him throughout 2003-4.

Tough shit - Clintons are Bushprotecting traitors who made Bush2 and 9-11 possible with their protection of BushInc and the powerful elite throughout the 90s.

[countingbluecars]

8. So is this what we have to look forward to?

Once you can no longer bash Obama here, are you going to go after the Dems who supported him in the primaries?

[Tatiana]

14. The bitterness completely consumes this one. n/t

[wvbygod]

17. Looks like support for the progressive from here

No snarks against Kerry or any other bad vibes. Good, clean, honest words from a fellow Democrat.

Why do you hate democracy?

[Forkboy]

27. Lirwin is just trying to stir shit up.

He's not posting this because he supports O'Reilly, he's posting it because he hates Kerry. If you want to fall for that kind of disingenuous bullshit feel free, but don't expect the rest of us to.

[leftofcool]

32. I didn't see anything in the post that was anti-Kerry

[Forkboy]

38. Why do you think he posted this?

Why his sudden interest in someone running against Kerry? Do you really think it's just because he likes O'Reilly? If so, I have some coast front property in Missouri to sell you.

Please, take your defense of Lirwin to some newbie who will fall for it.

[countingbluecars]

36. I have dealt with the OP before,

and believe me the words she used were not good, clean, honest, or progressive.

[dionysus]

13. i think you missed the bus...

[jobycom]

19. Obama won his first election by "undemocratically" knocking his opponents off the ballot.

Actually, he's won both of his move-up elections that way. His first election he won by having every other Democratic candidate knocked off the ballot over petition signature technicalities. When he ran for the senate both of his major competitors were knocked from the ballot by sex scandals--whether Obama had a hand in outing the sex scandals, I don't know, but would be surprised and disappointed if he didn't.

So don't knock Kerry on that.

I personally wouldn't dump a champion like Kerry over a newcomer who might talk a prettier game on a couple of issues but who wouldn't have the experience or ability to achieve a tenth of what Kerry can. I don't know if that fits his challenger, I'm just saying that would be my rule of thumb. Impeachment won't happen, which is the only reason Kerry isn't for it, and single payer healthcare isn't going to be implemented by one first-term senator from Massachusetts when so much is united against it. That's no reason not to try, but it's true. Neither of those facts would stop me from voting for the challenger if there was a real problem with Kerry, but neither of those issues would sway me towards the challenger if there wasn't.

What is it about Democrats that as soon as one of ours gets the experience and position to accomplish what we hope for, we want to throw them out and put in someone without that experience and position? Think of all we could have accomplished if we would allow our officials to actually build on what they accomplish, instead of throwing them out for not being able to wave a magic wand and fix everything at once. We might actually have created the world we seek to create if we gave anyone half a chance. Look at Gore. Liberals turned on him to cast a symbolic vote for Nader, and we wound up with the most reactionary and incompetent president ever.

We destroy our chance at progress for want of perfection.

Having said that, I'm not in Massachusetts, and if I were, I would of course listen to what any challenger said, and decide based on an objective observation, not on any sense of loyalty or entitlement. Loyalty would be one factor, but not the only factor.

Just rambling. Ignore me.

[leftofcool]

26. Good points

I didn't see anything in the post that was anti-Kerry, who I happen to like. But, if we are looking for a "change in old politics" to new politics..........just sayin'

[mtnsnake]

21. K&R!

[LowerManhattanite]

22. Pissy, pissy, pissy aren't we?

Realizing you probably won't be able to go after the presidential nominee, you're going to froth as you go after those who've backed him out of spite.

Here's a hint hot-shot—a subject like this that has you all in a tizzy should probably be taken to one of DU's state boards or one dealing with the Senate—NOT GD-P. Wrong forum.

Unless you happen to like GD-P's softer floors to blunt the pain of your head-banging tantrums, that is. :(

[Hola]

24. Who'se he gonna impeach?

When he would start his term, Bush & Cheney will no longer be in office.

[leftofcool]

28. He said he was 'pro-impeachment." Of course it will be too late

Nancy should have done it.

[karynnj]

60. Too late and in the wrong house of Congress

This is just pandering. Bush would be weeks from leaving office when he's elected.

[Clintonista2]

30. You could have read the OP and found out the answer to your question!

"By the time of my swearing-in, there will be a new president--a Democrat, I hope. So my only regret is that I will not be able to vote for the removal of Cheney and Bush from office subsequent to their impeachment. In my opinion, they should face an investigation for war crimes and lying to the American people on hundreds of occasions."


I think you would agree that they should face investigation?

[Mass]

69. Once again, your candidate does not agree with the guy you are promoting.

Does not make a lot of sense, does it.

[rodeodance]

25. Pelosi was wrong not to start an impearchment investigation. I like the

idea of getting a single -payer health plan

[leftofcool]

31. Me too!

[OzarkDem]

40. She's trying to get Obama elected

which tells us that Obama, if he makes it to the GE, will continue with the same spineless policies.

Its about the money, honey.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Getting re-elected is ALWAYS more important than the Constitution or health care reform to these lazy fools.

[Marrah_G]

29. We are already losing Kennedy- No way the Mass voters want two powerless rookies at the same time.

[NotThisTime]

47. You put it in stark terms, but obviously what you say is fact

Kennedy has been a tireless supporter of the people of Massachusetts for nearly my whole life... Kerry's not going anywhere...

[Marrah_G]

51. He's been in the senate 8 years longer hten I have been alive

I love him to pieces, but I think I remember he wasn't going to run again before this health crisis. He deserves to retire after representing us so well for so long. Whoever takes his place has big shoes to fill.

[JimGinPA]

33. Let Us Know How That Works Out For Him

:rofl:

[MarjorieG]

34. PDA is making a statement; endorsing anyone who signs on to their talking points.

Try reading O'Reilly's DKos posts to get a sense of just how vacant a candidate. He was single issue against Kerry's IWR vote, after Kerry had leadreship in trying to move the Senate on it, on the filibuster efforts. O'Reilly has no experience or ideas. Then the PDA gave him some principles he never knew he had.

PDA varies in each state on how effective. I work with them on election reform, where they have put considerable energy. There are very good people at the top who work with Congress.

Considering all the leadership on open government and progressive ideas John Kerry has shown, this is offensive, and shows our grassroots at its most silly and destructive.

[Blaukraut]

37. O'Reilly is a nasty piece of work!

He has done nothing but lie about Kerry. His high (or low) point was his giving the Swiftliars credence:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/21/18020/496

Some of his oh-so-wonderful record:

# Ed may be a defender of the Constitution but he's made his living (a good enough living to take a year off to run for Senate) defending drunk drivers, drug dealers and thugs. Everyone deserves competent legal representation but Ed isn't a public defender. He's a self-employed defense attorney who picks his own clients and then makes money off them. Here is my fav Ed client.

* George Sideris- Peabody cop who beat his elderly mother and then was arrested when he went a bit far and threw her down the stairs on Thanksgiving. Ed defended Sideris and said that the reason George punched his 73-year old mom in the face and then tossed her down the stairs was because George was being teased at work.

# Ed says that he has worked hard to help people with substance abuse problems and spoke about helping kids stay off drugs when he was a one term Gloucester school committee member. So imagine my surprise when I found that in 1988, Ed was defending a member of a drug smuggling operation. The foursome was stopped on the Pike and police found the car loaded with heroin. Ed was trying to get the search thrown out. Oh, guess where the drugs were headed...Gloucester. True story.

snip.... There is much more at the following link:

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showComment.do?commentId=98655

O'Reilly may be a lot of things,but he is no good Progressive.

[Aloha Spirit]

42. Favorite O'Reilly quote:

O'Reilly became involved in politics at the local level soon after, winning an at-large councilor seat that he held from 1983 to 1985. He later was elected to a two-year term to the School Committee in 1993, half of which he served as chairman.

"I gave (the chairmanship) up because it was too many calls and too much coordination. I thought somebody with more time could do a better job," he said.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punews/local_story_163093919?page=2

[OzarkDem]

39. Kerry, like Obama, is another spineless Dem

afraid to show leadership.

[NotThisTime]

46. And you're from Mass & you vote for him I suppose?

[blm]

53. Kerry showed leadership in uncovering IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.. Coward Clinton

was afraid of BushInc and did as he was told, deep-sixing all the outstanding matters in those illegal operations to protect Bush and his powerful cronies.

Now Bill is being rewarded for his cowardly actions and those protected by Bill throughout the 90s have dumped tens of millions into his bank accounts the last 8 years.


YOUR idea of 'leadership' is a Dem who fears Poppy Bush and will spend his political capital on protecting the powerful elite.

[Inuca]

57. You live in an alternate world

and it is not a very nice one. My sympathies.

[karynnj]

61. No you simply disagree with the leadership he showed in endorsing Obama

Name anyone who stood up against things that were wrong than Kerry:

- He stood against Nixon, knowing it could preclude a political career
- He stood against Reagan, at his peak popularity, finding that Reagan/Bush was allowing the Contras to bring cocaine into the country to buy arms. (As an Ozark Dem, this was in your neighborhood. Yet, in 1996, the former governor of Arkansas did not list this work vs Weld's stonewalling on giving Kerry documents - even when Lugar requested them as a reason to prefer Kerry over his buddy Weld.)
- He stood against the entire Senate and most of the power elite to continue his investigation of BCCI
- He stood up against the Clinton people, to introduce Kerry/Feingold, saying that as a Senator in good standing he could not stay silent when he thought the plan was wrong. The Clintons thought it was better politically for the Democrats to not have a specific plan. After November 2006, a variation of Kerry/Feingold became the Democratic position.

Now when did HRC stand up on anything?

[susankh4]

43. Now we get to the meat of the matter.

But... no worries. Kerry has kissed the right asses, for the time being at least. His job is "safe."

[Forkboy]

44. Says the clueless Ohio resident.

The people here in Mass like him because he helps us consistently, just like Kennedy has. Your hate for him won't change what we think of him here. Get a clue.

[susankh4]

45. Yes'm. All us Ohioans is ignorant as rocks.

And we be racist in breeders too.

[Forkboy]

48. Those are your words. Persecution complex much?

I said nothing about all Ohio residents, and I certainly didn't say anything about inbreeding. But it is clear that YOU personally don't know why Kerry is getting elected here in Mass all the time.

Now, climb back up on that cross, but be warned, it's almost impossible to hammer in that last nail.

[susankh4]

49. Smart ass much?

[Forkboy]

50. All the time. Doesn't make me wrong here though.

[blm]

56. Actually, southern Ohio does have the largest ratio of white supremacists than anywhere

anywhere else in the country.

[Inuca]

59. Meaningless, silly spite n/t

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

52. Kerry will eat his soul.

It's going to be fantastic.

[karynnj]

62. He may or may not be on the ballot

but even if he is, he will lose badly to Kerry. MA people, who I know, who have heard him speak are unimpressed. No one has ever beat Kerry in a debate - and this will likely not be close.

As to Kerry's soul, he has always had far more integrity and morality than most people. Read the quotes above from O'Reilly's career - he is not good enough to polish Kerry's shoes.

[politicasista]

66. Exactly n/t

[book_worm]

58. Kerry has this in the bag.

[beachmom]

63. The Truth about Ed O'Reilly as told by Massachusetts bloggers:

http://chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com/2008/01/ed-oreilly-crashes-arlington.html

Ed O'Reilly crashes Arlington

John Kerry's alleged rival for the democratic senatorial nomination appeared before the Arlington Town Democratic Comittee this evening.
He is to say the least very definite on one point, he is not and never shall be, John Forbes Kerry.

Other than that, and a few further-to-the-left-than-John Kerry brickbats there does not seem to be much to the guy by way of a program.
Citizen O'Reilly claimed, seemingly in one might exhalation that while he supported John Kerry in '02 and '04 he was simultaneously so repelled by the man's vote authorizing the Iraq war as to consider challenging JK in the 08' senatorial primary.

This did not prevent Ed O'Reilly from voting for John Kerry twice within a subsequent two year period.

Ralph Nader was right there in ought-four, Ed...why did you pass on him?

What really had Humble Elias scratching his head though was O'Reilly's rant against Kerry's thousand dollar a plate fundraisers events that allegedly give unwarranted access to the Senator to wealthy and powerful contributors.

Whereupon this barefoot attorney from the beaches of Gloucester airily admits he gave two-thousand dollars to John Kerry in '04, or roughly TEN TIMES the amount humble Elias was able to whomp together to the great cause.

Clearly neither he nor I gave that money in the hopes of future access to a US President, so it if our intentions were good, maybe just maybe, John Kerry's intentions are of a similarly high caliber.

O'Reilly jokes lamely about wanting his money back, Humble Elias wants his country back and will happily forgo any money back guarantees to get it.
Frankly having seen O'Reilly up close, I'm not impressed, like a certain number of angry progressives, he tends to take out his frustrations in the aftermath of an electoral defeat on the nearest elected liberal.

It is a species of self destructive behavior that I've seen go down on many occasions.

Liberals tend to anthropomorphize political defeat as a form of emasculation, they compensate for this sometimes thru a form of unhealthy reaction formation, ergo by beating on other liberals.

Which is where Citizen O'Reilly seems to be coming from.

I don't think the upcoming State Convention should vote to put him on the ballot, he is unserious and driven by a futile purge-our-way-to-glory mentality.

More than that I will not say, indeed I cannot, I've already forgotten most of O'Reilly's remarks save his snide insinuating tone.

http://toughdonkey.blogspot.com/2007/11/this-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know.html

Wednesday, November 21, 2007
This tells you all you need to know

about John Kerry's putative primary challenger, Ed O'Reilly:

As it stands, the man most welcoming of the return to the conflicts of 2004 is O'Reilly, who is attacking Kerry as not opposing the Iraq war strongly enough and says that the issues raised by the Swift Boat ads reflect on Kerry's character.

"I don't want to dwell too much on the past, but he keeps going back 40 years and bringing it up, bringing it up," said O'Reilly. "He keeps talking about it."

The man who has nothing to say about anything he would do, only to say whatever, he'd do it better than Kerry. Okayyyyyyy. A quick look at his website tells you how serious this guy is, and why he's happy to piggyback onto whatever scurrilousness is emanating from the Swift Liars. Still.

By the way, that O'Reilly quote comes from a Boston Globe article so "evenhanded" as to be nearly as scurrilous as the Liars themselves.

I find it very interesting that both potential republican challengers are taking the high road here - presumably hip to the fact that tying their fates to T. Boone Pickens won't win them many votes here in Massachusetts. How come O'Reilly hasn't been able to figure that out?

He is a PHONY who thinks the Swiftboaters "have a point".

[beachmom]

65. Let's hear from another Masshole, going by the name Masshole:

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showComment.do?commentId=98655

(H/T from LevensonK from upthread). This post is worth it to read in full .

Dear Sherlock Paco, (6.00 / 4)

Of course, I owe you an explanation. I mean, you are an anonymous Internet poster named "Paco". If you don't have the right to demand that I explain why I will not support Ed's campaign for the Senate, who does?

Paco, my dear, sweet Paco, were it not for you and your exclamation points I may have never written in such great detail why I don't support Ed. But you, brave Paco, you are so thoughtful, asking, nay insisting, that I come clean and so Paco, for you (and only you), I will.

I am a Kerry supporter. There I said it. Oh, how I have waited for the day when I could finally live free of the shame. But Paco, sweet, dim Paco, there's more. So much more.

Well, let's see where should I begin...so I hear that this guy is going to run against Senator Kerry. Being the political dork and Kerry supporter that I am, I hit the Interwebs, do some Googling and some Lexis-Nexusing, talk some other political dorks who live up in Ed's part of the world. And here is what I find out about Ed:

* Ed may be a defender of the Constitution but he's made his living (a good enough living to take a year off to run for Senate) defending drunk drivers, drug dealers and thugs. Everyone deserves competent legal representation but Ed isn't a public defender. He's a self-employed defense attorney who picks his own clients and then makes money off them. Here is my fav Ed client.
o George Sideris- Peabody cop who beat his elderly mother and then was arrested when he went a bit far and threw her down the stairs on Thanksgiving. Ed defended Sideris and said that the reason George punched his 73-year old mom in the face and then tossed her down the stairs was because George was being teased at work.
* Ed says that he has worked hard to help people with substance abuse problems and spoke about helping kids stay off drugs when he was a one term Gloucester school committee member. So imagine my surprise when I found that in 1988, Ed was defending a member of a drug smuggling operation. The foursome was stopped on the Pike and police found the car loaded with heroin. Ed was trying to get the search thrown out. Oh, guess where the drugs were headed...Gloucester. True story.
* Ed has referred to Senator Kerry as a "pollitician". On one of his DailyKos diaries, he ridiculed Kerry for basing all his political positions on polling and stated that he was different-- Ed O'Reilly would never hire pollsters or consultants. One small problem. In March, Ed paid Strategic Opinion Research of Wakefield $9,000 and in May, Ed paid Strategic Opinion Research another $10,000. Now, I have no problem with politicians paying for pollsters and consultants. It's how you win. But when you're ripping your opponent for doing it and you're doing the same thing, well Paco, that's called hypocrisy.
* Ed has served one term as a Gloucester City Councilor and one term as a Gloucester School Committee member. He stepped down after half a term as School Committee Chairman because he didn't have the time to focus on the job. Ed had other things to worry about-- let getting drunk drivers and heroin dealers off.
* Ed opposes Cape Wind. He says so during his speech announcing his candidacy. Guess where Ed has a nice summer place? You're not gonna believe it-- the Cape. Ed's got a littley NIMBY in him after all.
* Ed believes that the US laws should be superceded by "International Law". Now, I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what "International Law" is but I'm pretty sure it's not a great idea to have the US government answer to the whims and whimsies of the world. If the Air Force blows up a North Korean nuke reactor because there's rock solid evidence they're giving nuke technology to terrorists-- and President Clinton or Obama or Kucinich signs off on the strike-- and the attack doesn't follow international law, will we really be sending the Secretary of Defense to The Hague to stand trial? Let's worry about our government following American law before we start expecting Bush and Cheney to know how the Ukranians or Bangladeshis feel about stuff.

Is that enough, Paco? I have more. I'm going to save the time Ed represented a drunk driver who killed someone for around Christmas. It's a heartwarming holiday tale for the whole family. It's amazing what you can find on the Internet. I tried to find some evidence that Ed actually volunteered for the Wounded Knee Indian Legal Defense team like he said on BMG but couldn't find anything. But back then Ed wasn't Ed O'Reilly for Senate so maybe he did. I'm not sure how or when he did it since he worked throughout college and during law school but I can't imagine that Ed would lie.

There it is, Paco. It's for those reasons-- and Ed's complete and total lack of qualifications for the job-- that I won't be supporting his candidacy.

But you're right, Paco, I should be nicer and pay Ed a compliment. So Ed, of all the no-shot candidates running against Senator Kerry who have also helped get drunk drivers back behind the wheel and heroin dealers back on the street, you're my favorite.

by: Masshole @ Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 23:45:12 PM CST
< Parent | >

[cbc5g]

67. I dont like him, hes there because of Clinton revenge for Kerry jumping onboard with Obama early

The CLintons and Kerry have never liked eachother.

[Mass]

68. His reason for running is that Kerry voted for the IWR. I guess he really hates Hillary.

Is it not a little bit surprising for you to support him now.