It is best to accept the VERY REAL possibility that Obama MIGHT name Clinton for the V.P. slot.

[Douglas Carpenter]

I will not like that AT ALL and I personally do not think it is a good idea.


I would certainly find it a bitter pill to swallow. But life itself and politics especially are full of bitter pills to be swallowed.

Read the buzz coming across the wires. Check what insiders are saying. Look how the financial prediction derivative markets are shooting upward on that speculation.

Many of us have been somewhat confounded at how some of Sen. Clinton's supporters have been in a state of denial for the last few weeks, refusing to see the facts as they are - no matter how obvious the evidence. Denial is a natural process in dealing with unacceptable information.

It is certainly far from certain who Sen. Obama will appoint to the V.P. slot..but neutral and dispassionate sources are reporting that one of the strongest possibilities is in fact Sen. Clinton.

Now financial prediction markets are only one of numerous indicators. Of course this only reflects the educated guess of market forces. I'm using the figures from Intrade ( http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch / ) which follows very closely to the same figures from Rasmussen Markets: http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=274442# )

Intrade figures which are almost exactly the same as Rasmussen Market figures are now trading at a 25% to 28% possibility of Sen. Clinton becoming the Vice Presidential nominee. This is an increase of between 9% and 10% in just the last 72 hours.

Here are the other figures. Again, this is only one indicator. It does reflect only an educated guess of the markets:

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch /

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading a 25.0% to 28.0% possibility of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 19.0% to 20.9% possibility that James Webb will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 7.6% to 8.9% possibility that Mark Warner will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 6.0% to 7.0% Bill Richardson will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.7% to 5.8% possibility that John Edwards will be the Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.1% to 4.9% possibility that Al Gore will be the the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 4.0% to 4.5% possibility that Wesley Clark will be the Democratic Vice Presidential
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Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.2% to 4.2% possibility that Joseph Biden will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.0% to 4.9% possibility that Ted Strickland will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 2.6% to 3.9% possibility that Sam Nunn will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.4% to 1.9% possibility that Evan Bayh will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.0% to 1.4% possibility that Tom Vilsack will be the Democratic Party nominee

Both Intrade Prediction Markets and Rasmussen Markets also listed some other possibilities. I have listed most of them that are currently being traded.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch

http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=274442#

[The Magistrate]

1. There Is A Good Probability This Will Occur, Sir

It would certainly be the most concrete and quickest step towards unifying the Party that could be taken, and therefore will appeal to professionals.

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. if one simply talks to ordinary Democrats who are not news junkies or political junkies

who are not strong partisans toward either candidate; the vast majority who do not post or blog on any political forums -- one will find that the idea is actually pretty popular.

I have my reasons why I wouldn't welcome it. I suspect most partisan politically obsessive people like myself would not welcome it either. But our sort has a tendency to form their views in a bit of a bubble; even if it is a well informed and well intentioned bubble.

[The Magistrate]

14. Exactly, Sir

The gentleman who delivered our groceries this weekend, seeing the Rules meeting was on, said "I'll tell you what, Obama ought to pick Hillary," and on departing added "I don't care what anyone says, the democratic process worked!" It would surprise me very much if these were not wide-spread sentiments among the Party rank and file.

This primary has been a very close run thing, that could easily have gone the other way. The reason for this is that most people perceive very little difference between the two, and like them both as candidates and as public persons. It has certainly been impossible for me to decide between the two of them, even to this day. Either is acceptable to me.

[Douglas Carpenter]

24. frankly Sir, I am more comfortable with the realist liberal internationalist who advise Sen. Obama

in foreign policy matters as opposed to the more activist liberal internationalist who advise Sen. Clinton. But I suspect to the vast majority of ordinary Democrats that would be like explaining to an average church goer why the Lutheran interpretation of the Holy Eucharist is more theologically solid than the Anglican interpretation.

And will it REALLY cash out to actually policy differences? Perhaps, but I kind of doubt it.

[The Magistrate]

28. Was Talking About Lutheran Theology On Grace And Works Last Night, Sir

An off-shoot of a jest on the topic of controveries involving pastors....

Mr. Brzezinski is a favorite of mine, personally.

One thing we can expect here, though, is that a good many of Sen. Obama's supporters on the left will find they like him a lot less as a general election candidate than they do as a primary opponent of Sen. Clinton....

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. I suspect I am to the left of most of those and I support Sen. Obama, but I will NOT be disappointed

But my expectations are not quite so lofty.

"I've looked at clouds from both sides now ...dah....dah....dah...dah...dah...dah...dah"

Ronald Reagan convinced me to always support the Democratic nominee.

[truebrit71]

2. NOT.GONNA.HAPPEN. Very REAL chance of that...

...She is far too divisive and polarizing.

She will NOT be the VP nominee because of the things she's said, and the way she has conducted herself....

Someone from her "camp" may be chosen, but it won't be her..

[Skwmom]

22. With a Clinton loyalist on the ticket, if something happened to Obama, the Clintons would be back

in control.

[crankychatter]

3. I have no control or serious imput regarding this... I think it's a bad idea

oh well

[NYCGirl]

4. So Hillary and Bill would condone going through the vetting process? NT

[TheDonkey]

5. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

;-)

[dems_rightnow]

7. Whoever he wants...

I will support. Period.

[GoesTo11]

8. I think I agree

I just posted a long analysis on this. I know HRC supporters would accept it. I think Obama supporters should be ready to accept it (and I only came to that conclusion after some hard thinking).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6241858

[cloudbase]

9. If that were to happen,

then the whole "change" thrust is down the crapper. I think that she'd motivate many people who weren't quite content with McCain and who had planned to sit out the election to actually get up and vote. That could make enough of a difference in November to throw the election to McCain.

[NatBurner]

10. i'm bracing myself for the possibility

[endarkenment]

11. I agree. It is a distinct possibility.

And all of us need to apply the same compelling arguments we have made to the Clinton supporters to ourselves. If Senator Clinton is on the ticket, deal with it. There are larger issues at stake here than our personal feelings.

[woolldog]

18. Of course WE will deal with it and vote for him anyway.

But we will lose the election if she's on the ticket.

[msallied]

12. So much for Dems havin the White House for 16 years...

Hill's Presidential prospects will be very slim after Obama's terms are served, due mostly to her age.

[K Gardner]

13. She'd never pass the vetting. I know Hill supporters like to think she's credible for this, but she

isn't. Obama will make the right choice. It won't be her. Her behavior this campaign has disqualified her completely.

[butterfly77]

15. The media is trying to convince us...

they are harping on it and probably trying to put pressure on Obama to do so. I don't want it or like it and the whole campaign will then begin on Hill and bill once again.

IF they win, the will be Hillary and Bill trying to take over and cause problems. Another fact is they want us to believe that Obama isn't good enough and he needs Hillary and I say, Bullshit!

[NightOwwl]

16. I agree it is a possibilty...

but I hope he selects someone else.

Everything he represents: hope, change, the end of the DLC era, government by the people for the people...it will all be a sham if he selects Hillary as VP.

He does not need that albatross around his neck.

[progdog]

17. No.

n/t

[EFerrari]

19. You may be right but imho, it's a terrible idea.

Too much baggage, too entrenched in the power structures that are at this moment being remodeled, problems working in a team, GOP uniter as well. Not to mention, Bill's own bundles, including not being able to stay on message very well lately.

:(

[joshcryer]

20. She will be the democratic VP. People here need to accept it before their heads explode.

[Skwmom]

23. Independents WILL decide this election. If he picks her, they will vote for

McCain. Disillusioned Republicans (like my father-in-law) will vote for Obama but NOT with Clinton on the ticket.

[Skwmom]

21. Well then he can kiss goodbye a BIG chunk of the independents and Republicans.

They will not vote for Obama with Clinton on the ticket.

It would be back to bitter partisanship. Just what this country needs more of.

[Skwmom]

25. She would help the GOP to define Obama as another say anything, promise anything to win

politician. They will argue that real change will only come with McCain.

It's going to be about authenticity. The American Public is fed up with phony politicians.

[CakeGrrl]

26. Let's say I'm confident that Hillary would fail a fair vetting process

Personally, I see it as her last opportunity to drag Obama down with her. I think she's that pissed at losing the nomination.

He needs a clean slate, and I sincerely hope he arrives at that conclusion.

[WA98296]

27. I'm requesting my donations be refunded if he selects HRC.

[KoKo]

29. I go back and forth with it being a good idea....but, I think many Dems who aren't on the Internet

wars would go for it. Jim Webb might be good, too...but his personality might be more of a conflict with Obama. He's a pretty strong personality...and that's not always good for a VP Pick.

Who knows. Hillary might be very happy with a Cabinet Position rather than VP. She certainly deserves a position with Obama. She's been a fighter and stayed in it and won votes. No matter what her detractors say...she's a fighter and there are still people who respect that.

[zulchzulu]

30. If Obama chooses HRC as VP, I will severely cut back on grassroots efforts

If she is the VP nominee, I will not do the Obama table any more in Madison and will severely cut back on grassroots efforts.

It's that simple.

It would be the worst possible choice EVER. Why?

Having the Clintons on the ticket would overwhelm the new numbers of voters who are voting for change with every knucklehead in the country voting AGAINST the Clintons.

The African-American vote would stay home. The youth vote would fall off. The Clintons would overshadow Obama and all the assholes in her campaign would drag the campaign down. We would be fucked.

Even IF Obama won with her as the VP, it would be the SAME FUCKING SHIT with Bill Clinton getting in the goddamn way and WHATEVER ELSE he does...

Barack, DO NOT pick her as VP. If you do, I am out.

[Kitsune]

31. If he does, it will completely destroy my respect for him.

By naming Clinton as his VP, he would demonstrate that there is nothing substantive about his candidacy, and that he is indeed just another politician incapable of taking a principled stand. I am also of the opinion that I am hardly the only person with this view of the matter. Clinton on the ticket would utterly destroy us come November.

I'd like to WIN for once, y'know?

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. politics is full of disappointments. If he does select Hillary, I am sure this will not be the most

disappointing thing he ever does. The same would be true of ANY OTHER politician. Once he becomes President, I am sure he will have other decisions that are FAR more disappointing. The same would be true of ANYONE else who became President

This is REAL politics in the REAL world.

AS far as winning is concerned, there are arguments both for and against the strategic advantage of Hillary on the ticket. Nonpartisan and dispassionate analysis on this matter are about evenly split.