"Why is tonight about her?"

[polichick]

Chuck Todd just reported that the Obama campaign is asking that question ~ after all, the first AA is clinching the nomination. Interesting!

[ErinBerin84]

1. and Andrea also said

that someone from the Clinton campaign was talking about party unity and saying "It's HIS JOB to come to HER! He needs HER." Haha. Andrea and Chuck are being funny right now, basically making fun of both sides.They've probably been on the phone with these people all day.
edit: Also, Chuck Todd said that the Clinton campaign people are saying that tonight is her night because Obama will have ALL SUMMER for "his moment" (well, I think we'll be concentrating on McCain instead of celebrating, but whatever). What I wouldn't give to be listening into some of these conversations!

[polichick]

They have great jobs! :)

[progdog]

9. Okay

Speaking from a woman's point of view would this be happening if Mrs. Clinton was a man?
That's all. :shrug:

[hokies4ever]

17. If the roles were reversed between Obama and Clinton

they would have forced Obama out of the race by now. Hillary would have threatened to hunt down undeclared supers if they didn't come out for her if she was this close to the nomination.

[WillTheGoober]

25. Umm...

Maybe your candidate should have won a while back and this wouldn't be an issue.

He hasn't been able to close the deal.
That's his problem.

I don't feel sorry for him.

And the hypothetical isn't worth much.

[hokies4ever]

46. Bitter are we? The Hillary smackdown is almost complete.

:rofl:

[cstanleytech]

149. And that kind of response from you and others like you

is what might drive Hillary supporters to either not show up to vote or to maybe even *shudder* vote for McCain so please for the future would you consider keeping that in mind be less hostile in your posting as Hillary supporters are not the enemy, McCain ones are.

[WillTheGoober]

153. Agreed.

It's a shame.

[krawhitham]

186. If they are that dumb, let them vote for McCain

They are not democrats anyway

[WillTheGoober]

191. heh....

That kind of attitude will not be shared by your candidate; I promise you that.

W.

[JackORoses]

47. the Deal is closing Today. Don't say you weren't warned.

[DAGDA56]

48. Switch the pronouns, and your statement would fit Senator Clinton exactly.

[WillTheGoober]

51. Right ...

Neither have been able to close the deal.
That's the point.

[hokies4ever]

54. Does Hillary love losing as much as you do?

:rofl:

[WillTheGoober]

57. I feel like crap ...

I hate losing this thing.

I have supported Hillary since the beginning and I have donated money and I have campaigned.
I believe she is the stronger candidate.

The way Obama's supporters are "winning" tonight is unfortunate.
And it does hurt.

We'll see how that plays out for Obama down the road.

W.

[VolcanoJen]

I refuse to rub anyone's face in it, but I also refuse to feel "guilty" for winning.

This is the first time in my life that my first choice has taken it all the way to the nomination. I'm thrilled, and there is no reason why we should be denied our moment.

Our party's moment. Our nation's moment.

We all have much to be proud of today... it's got me a little weepy, to be honest.

:grouphug: OBAMA SUPPORTERS! :grouphug:

[WillTheGoober]

73. No need to be nasty either ...

And some of you are.

W.

[VolcanoJen]

84. I wasn't being nasty. But you claimed he hadn't "closed the deal"

... when it looks like he'll do it within hours at this point.

It's been an historic campaign... all 50 states got to vote, and we have Hillary and Barack both to thank for taking it the distance. But in the end, someone wins, and someone loses. And it's time to come together, it really is.

Some Obama supporters might go a little over-the-top in their giddy-ness tonight and I might be among them. But please don't deny us our moment, either. We shouldn't have to feel bad. We shouldn't have to feel guilty. This is an amazing day for our country, and we should *all* be proud!

[hokies4ever]

88. Agreed. Why is the MSM focus on Hillary losing and not Obama winning?

[WillTheGoober]

92. Because it's a big deal.

Hillary Clinton is about to step down.
Here's a woman who has worked tirelessly -- every single day without stopping.

She's a fighter and she's finally stopping.
That's a big deal.

We knew that without a huge event Obama would eventually get this.

[hokies4ever]

95. But Hillary gives not indication of being about to step down.

She's sent virtually all of her top surrogates out to say that she won't concede tonight.

[WillTheGoober]

97. Well ...

That's easily explained.

If he doesn't win those primaries tonight, she keeps going.
Her campaign will go on until he has won the nomination.

W.

[hokies4ever]

100. She won't say that she will concede once he gets 2118

If she just said that, people would let up on her.

[WillTheGoober]

She can't say that ...

It's politics here man...
She has fund raising to continue -- she has supporters who are looking for her to fight to the end.

Do you understand that there are a lot of people out there who want her to win -- and are looking for her to give it her all to do so?

Interestingly enough, they're both in NY tonight, aren't they?

W.

[hokies4ever]

113. They're both in NY tomorrow night

for some kind of DNC event, I think a fundraiser. If Hillary wants the respect she lost from me during her gas tax holiday pandering, she needs to concede when Obama crosses the finish line.

[WillTheGoober]

118. Well ...

I was thinking something could be announced.
Maybe an Obama Clinton ticket.

We shall see.

W.

[hokies4ever]

121. I think that Bill Clinton is the wild card here

Hillary couldn't control him on the campaign trail, how will Obama control him? If Hillary really wants the V.P. spot, she needs to get Bill to talk to Obama and convince him that he won't be looking over his shoulder criticizing his decisions.

[WillTheGoober]

124. Agreed.

[Flying Dream Blues]

157. But she can't win. Fight for what? A better looking second place? I honestly DON'T get it. nt

[WillTheGoober]

161. Well --

If tomorrow Obama fell on his face because of something new released in the news, then we'd have a candidate.

Plus -- when people pay for you to run, you run.
Why would we hand this nomination to Obama?
He should have to fight for it, otherwise it's not a prize.

[RaleighNCDUer]

171. Why am I reminded of Ilsa, in "The Last Crusade"?

She destroyed herself reaching for that damned cup - and Indy's father said "She thought she had the prize."

The presidency is NOT a prize. It is a grave responsibility. One which her actions has shown she is not up to meeting.

[WillTheGoober]

173. What actions?

She seems very prepared and ready to me.
Not sure what you're talking about.

And you do WIN the nomination.
It may be a responsibility, but it is a responsibility that is WON.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

184. You are looking for respect for her, and you ask me to list the

myriad lies, obfuscations, mis-steps, poor planning, poor personnel choices...?

Do you REALLY want me to go there?

Sun Tsu said that when two evenly matched armies meet, victory does not go to the most valiant; it goes to the general who makes the fewest mistakes.

If she can't run her campaign - and you know what I'm talking about because you replied to several of the criticisms in this thread alone - then she is NOT the most prepared to run the country. She was NOT prepared; she was NOT ready. She thought she had to but reach out and claim the prize.

[WillTheGoober]

192. lol ...

You're still not listing anything.

Words. :)

Taking negative adjectives and putting them before Hillary Clinton's name does not make you right.
And when she is tapped to be the VP, you're going to eat those words.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

196. OK

Bosnia - flat out lying to the public about her own personal experiences several times.

War chest - spending out her 100 million in the expectation that the campaign would end on super-tuesday.

Mark Penn - posing as a supporter of unions, while hiring a union-buster to run her campaign.

NAFTA - for it before she was against it.

Iraq War - for it before she was against it.

IWR vote - either she believed what Bush said (when less informed persons knew better) OR she didn't believe and voted purely for political advantage -- neither option is acceptable.

Kyl-Lieberman vote - just weeks after saying that she was misled on the IWR vote (which shows great depth of perception on her part) she goes and votes to declare a part of the Iranian armed forces a 'terrorist organization' - which is all that Bush needs to justify attacking Iran.

Shall I continue, with say her duplicity about GLBT issues? Corporatist connections? AIPAC? She and her surrogates injecting race (Hispanics in NV will never vote for Obama - Of course SC voted for him, he is the black candidate, etc.)

People who oppose Hillary have many good, sound reasons for doing so.

And she is NEVER going to be on Obama's ticket. He's too smart to let her drag him down.

(I really tried to play nice - but you fucking pushed.)

[VolcanoJen]

103. Precisely.

And, as political junkies know, the night belongs to the winner, not to the loser.

I imagine Hillary will try to time her speech to come before Obama's, and I hope it's uplifting. It's entirely up to her how she chooses to leave the race, but the night belongs to Obama, to our party, and to our nation.

We are witnessing history.

[WillTheGoober]

117. Of course she has ...

There are still voters to go out and vote.
Why would she discourage them from voting?

Are you kidding me?

[hokies4ever]

126. Why was Terry admitting on TV this morning that

Hillary would concede if Obama crossed the finish line? She should have made sure he got that TPS report. :rofl:

[WillTheGoober]

128. Yah ... agreed.

Somebody smack him.

[otohara]

182. It's Been Mathatically Impossible For Months - How Is It A Big Deal NOW

she actually thought she could get the SD's to overturn by staying in. Somehow I feel like the Clinton drama will not end tonight, tomorrow, or at the convention. This was supposed to be a happy, historic election - no matter who won. She's turned it into a drag and drama fest.

[hokies4ever]

86. Because we know that Hillary is taking it to the Convention

until I hear otherwise, best to keep your guard up. As Pat Buchanan said on Sunday, Hillary will fight till hell freezes over, then she'll fight on the ice. :rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

107. No one's forcing you to spend time in GD: P - or anywhere on DU for that matter.

If you don't like what you're reading here, there's always that useful little "Logout" button at the top of the page on the center-right of the screen.

(Hint: it's shaped like a big key).

[WillTheGoober]

119. Sorry?

I'm not leaving.
I can defend my candidate all I want! :)

Thanks though ... appreciate it.

W.

[Adelante]

105. GOBAMA

:grouphug:

[msallied]

151. I couldn't have said it better myself, Jen.

I've been an Obama fan since 2004 and said he should be our next President. I'm so thrilled that he is now on that threshold!!

[Me.]

89. If You Are A Dem

How it plays out for Obama, it also plays out for you. I'm sorry that you feel bad about your candidate losing, been there done that and can't believe I have supported the winner this time. However, the 'I told you so" option that some have said HRC is hanging onto (don't really know that's true) will serve no good purpose, in fact if McCain gets in, the harm will be irreparable.

[WillTheGoober]

93. Well ...

It will be up to Obama now to convince Hillary's supporters that he is their candidate too.

W.

[Adelante]

109. Hillary has a responsibility to bring her people in for the party

That's how it goes.

[WillTheGoober]

120. hahaha ...

OK.

It's not Obama's responsibility to win us over?
Ok.

W.

[Adelante]

129. It's your responsibility to be a responsible Democrat nt

[WillTheGoober]

131. haha. :) Ok.

[RaleighNCDUer]

110. If I may quote a bumper sticker I once saw --

Don't believe everything you think.

The fact is, if Hillary were the stronger candidate, she'd have won. It is just that simple.

[WillTheGoober]

122. Don't know about that ...

He played the rules better, I agree.

But he has some serious problems given that he lost every big state.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

152. And yet, in doing so he accrued the majority of delegates, the

metric by which Democratic primaries are judged.

BTW - he kicked ass in NC, which is the 10th largest state in the union and which, with him on the ticket, will flip blue this time out - something that Hillary could never do.

[WillTheGoober]

154. We'll see.

He may be able to reinvent the map.
But unlikely.

W.

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[WillTheGoober]

90. Me?

I'm a pompous asshole?

hmm ... Ok.

[hokies4ever]

116. He's talking to me :-)

Cause I put the smack down on you earlier. I'd like to extend an olive branch though. :patriot:

[WillTheGoober]

123. Sorry - -

I must have missed being 'smacked down.'

:eyes:

[VolcanoJen]

65. She's only 198 delegates away from "closing the deal."

Obama's now **29** Delegates away.

Are you feeling optimistic?

:shrug:

[WillTheGoober]

70. No ...

You'll find no argument from me there.
He's going to win.

That's not the point.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. Sweetheart, Obama had this thing won back in February...

This contest was over months ago because we all knew that she couldn't catch him in pledged delegates. Obama did her a favor by encouraging her to stay in the race for as long as she wanted. Why couldn't SHE close the deal?

She was supposed to be the stronger candidate!
She was supposed to be the candidate who can beat John McSame!

So if those things are true, then why haven't the superdelegates flocked to her?

Why aren't the voters flocking to her?

Why is she STILL losing???

[WillTheGoober]

68. Winning is Winning

You have to reach a delegate count to win.
He hasn't until now. It's June.

If he won PA or Ohio he may have been able to settle this a long time ago.
But he couldn't -- despite having "won" in February.

Calling someone "sweetheart" to diminish their opinion isn't helpful either.

[progdog]

32. She has the nerve to call herself

a feminist. Please.

[WillTheGoober]

36. lol ...

She's a woman.
Does she need to prove that too?

Or have the Obama supporter robbed her of her gender?

She's human too.

W.

[hokies4ever]

52. How does it feel knowing that Hillary has written a concession speech

in case she needs to give it tonight? :rofl:

[WillTheGoober]

53. Hurts.

[VolcanoJen]

76. I was crushed for a week in 2004 when Edwards lost to Kerry.

And then I was ecstatic when Kerry chose him to be his VP.

Anything can happen. But it's an election, and someone has to lose. This is the first time I've ever been a winner and I really, truly do know how you feel.

[WillTheGoober]

83. Appreciate that. :)

[hokies4ever]

Well, she did run a good race

I think that she will be remembered as an excellent candidate with a mediocre staff and campaign. Mark Penn has solidified himself as a footnote in history as a very inept campaign strategist. Didn't even know that the Dem contests were proportional at first either.

[WillTheGoober]

87. Ugh .. Mark Penn ...

He is ultimately her fault -- she hired him.
But she is definitely a fantastic national figure -- and just by being a woman who has done what she has done in her career is historical.

It's unfortunate that we've lost sight of that during this race.

W.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

104. I will never understand that...

And I will never understand how self-professed feminists or ANY woman, for that matter, could embrace her brand of feminism. She is anything BUT a feminist.

[WillTheGoober]

106. Anything but?

Oh come on!!

What has she done to hurt women?
You're being dramatic.

Just because she isn't an all-or-nothing liberal doesn't mean she's not progressive and good for women.

W.

[Arkansas Granny]

74. That is pure speculation on your part.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

It's always about her.

Remember when she didn't want Obama to brag about getting the majority of PDs recently?

Of course, she'll crow on endlessly about lopsided victories in WV and PR, but we can't attack her for that.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

What's new is you won't be here next week.

[WillTheGoober]

141. Sorry?

ooops ... wasn't for me.
My apologies.

W.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

144. Be sure to wipe yourself off after Hillary's concession speech.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

150. ***AHEM***

Calling her the "goddess of peace" repeatedly (and these are just a few examples), not to mention your clear break from sanity throughout this season, leads me to believe your opinion of Hillary goes far beyond politics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5442479&mesg_id=5442479

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3664263&mesg_id=3664263

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3672940

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5684108&mesg_id=5684108

[cboy4]

174. lol

:spray:

[mtnsnake]

200. Fuck off ya world class dipshit

[totodeinhere]

185. Personal attacks are not allowed here.

[Boz]

2. Its true, why would it be I do not begrudge her, but nature applauds the winners,but by force of ego

She wants her parade as if she won, shes ready for her close up.

[WillTheGoober]

3. Umm ...

Because if he wants Clinton supporters, he needs to be gracious.

He hasn't won this by a landslide -- and he needs to be careful not to seem cocky here.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. He can celebrate any way that he wants to. He is the winner, she is the loser. Those are the facts..

and he doesn't need to coddle her.

[WillTheGoober]

12. He has won the nomination, not the election.

Remember that.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. And he gets to celebrate that step. To insist otherwise because it might hurt her feelings is insane

She's a grown-up, she should be able to handle it.

[WillTheGoober]

27. I bet ...

They're going to work this out just fine.

[SoCalDem]

44. and she calls herself the women's equality candidate??

yet expects HIM to bow down to HER feelings..not very womens-libby, eh?

[WillTheGoober]

49. Nobody is saying bow...

Don't put words in her mouth.

Her supporters don't want to see her dismissed is all.

W.

[SoCalDem]

67. When people lose, it's understandable for them to be upset, BUT

the LOSERS do not get the parades, the confetti, the accolades..

When she wins, it's about HER..when she loses, it's still about her..

Being gracious in defeat tells a lot about one's character.

He's got it..she doesn't.. It's just that simple..

[WillTheGoober]

77. When you need the "losers" --

You appeal to them. And you celebrate the work they've done in this campaign.

We'll see what your candidate does.
I bet her gives her a celebration.

You need us now, interestingly enough.
It would have been that way regardless of who won.
If Hillary would have won -- she would have had to appeal to his supporters.

W.

[Hamlette]

72. Will, are you one of us?

could have fooled me

In our party you EARN respect, you don't DEMAND it.

It's what separates us from them.

She pissed a bunch of us off. Not the media, not Obama, Hillary (Bill did not help). She's the one who needs to cool it.

He won. Tonight he will have won. Tonight is HIS night.

She is all about drama and me, me ME!

He has been gracious all along. She has not. It's time for her to rally round.

[WillTheGoober]

82. Well ...

You all have pissed me off.

I am a Democrat and I will support Obama.
Feel free to look back at my posts over the time I've posted here and you'll find I've been pro-Hillary, not anti-Obama.

But I refuse to sit here and let Obama supporters rub our faces in the mud when this wasn't a landslide win by any means.

W.

[Hamlette]

181. fine. But saying tonight is HIS night is not rubbing her nose in it.

It was a close race. Very close. But that doesn't change the fact that he won. The winner has some rights too.

Tonight is his night. He earned it.

[WillTheGoober]

183. We'll see.

I have a feeling Obama is going to give Hillary all the time she needs tonight.
He is a smart politician -- and knows now that he needs us to come over.

W.

[NightOwwl]

50. ...or her supporters. n/t

[polichick]

11. It's her job to congratulate him now.

[WillTheGoober]

13. That will happen ...

But she deserves a night to say goodbye and to be given the respect she has earned in this race.

This has been an unprecedented campaign.
And not everybody supports Obama -- not sure if anybody notified his supporters of that.

W.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. She should have said good bye weeks ago. Now, she can wait until tomorrow.

Tonight is his and his supporters.

[WillTheGoober]

28. I disagree ...

He needed to win.

Why does everyone want to hand him this?
Let him win it all by himself -- how about that?

It's not her problem that he couldn't close the deal.

W.

[Joe the Revelator]

91. He closed the deal as well as anyone would have been able to given the rules of the democratic

primarys. The difference is, unlike all gracious losers in the past, Hillary wouldn't step aside when it became impossible for her to win. That is not his fault.

[polichick]

Tonight is about our nominee - not the runner up.

[WillTheGoober]

30. We'll see.

[mamalone]

69. You know what?

She has had about three or four months worth of nights to say good-bye... we are all desperate for her to finally do the right thing and let the party concentrate on beating McCain instead of massaging her ego.

As for respect earned? well, I used to respect her enormously, but not any more. Her behavior in this race has earned my disgust, not my respect... sorry.

[WillTheGoober]

94. He hasn't won until tonight...

:)

[mamalone]

108. Yes, I know that he hasn't *officially* won yet...

But since when are these things dragged out to the bitter end like this? What benefit does it serve? All of the other contenders dropped out or suspended their campaigns once it became apparent that they weren't going to win... I am sure it was very hard for them, but they did it for the good of the party and (dare I say it?) for the good of their supporters. I was originally for Biden- I still love the guy:loveya: Once he dropped out it took me a while to warm up to anyone else. But now I've had time to adjust and I am completely in Obama's camp now. Because she has refused to be a grown-up and has dragged this out to the biterest of bitter ends, we will have a devil of a time coming together.... and some of her most unbalanced supporters probably never will be able to. It's sad that she thinks so little of her supporters and the rest of the party. Like I said, I'm pretty disgusted with the woman at this point...


BTW, I appreciate your :)

[WillTheGoober]

130. This is not the bitterest end. :) I promise.

[RaleighNCDUer]

127. No, she doesn't.

She deserves a good half hour - to make her concession and thank her supporters, and then to throw her support to him, because this is HIS night.

[Shakespeare]

15. He's ALWAYS been gracious. SHE has the burden of encouraging her supporters to unify.

And I'm sure Obama will continue to be gracious, as it seems that's in his nature.

[WillTheGoober]

21. ...

But not in the nature of his supporters, clearly.

W.

[Shakespeare]

31. They're only a small segment. Most here have been very good.

And that's in the face of some serious provocation by the nastier Hillary supporters.

[WillTheGoober]

38. Oh I don't know ...

I'm a reader too.
And granted, I am on the Hillary side -- but there have been nasty, nasty things said about her.
And I think that's just unfortunate.

W.

[SoCalDem]

71. I actually wish she had run a fair campaign. It would have been a lot more interesting

and she might have even won.. I could have easily stayed with her..

Her mis-steps made him better, and won it for him, as mich as his own stellar campaign..

[WillTheGoober]

96. You have to be careful...

The more you say Hillary's campaign was bad, the more you discredit the work of the Obama campaign.

If he barely beat a horrible campaign -- what's that say about him?

W.

[SoCalDem]

99. enjoy the cheetos n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

134. That says he came from behind to defeat the candidate that had the

biggest war chest, the support of a powerful political machine, name recognition and good will from her popular husband's two terms, and a decided gender advantage.

If her campaign had not been tragically flawed, by the choices SHE made, she should have beaten him. And she didn't.

What's that say about HER?

[WillTheGoober]

135. We know ...

She lost. We get that.

But bringing her down doesn't help him.
Sorry.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

156. And bringing HIM down, upon winning, DOES help?

You are disingenuous, and are not sorry about crap.

All you are doing is trying to prod Obama supporters in to flailing on you with this bullshit.

You are a disrupter, not a supporter.

[WillTheGoober]

159. I'm not bringing him down... at all.

Obama supporters flailed long before I said anything.

Give me a break.
Give me an example where I brought him down.

Defending her doesn't mean offending him; unlike what I've seen on here from Obama supporters.

As I've said before, I dislike a lot of Obama supporters, not Obama.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

165. I am not inclined to give you anything, any more than I give her anything.

If you don't earn it, do without.

[Me.]

168. He's Not Bringing Her Down

Hers are self inflicted wounds from a badly run campaign, to money badly spent to her eternal long goodbye. He will be the head of the party. When Bill took that position you can bet he wasn't giving anyone 'their moment' at his point of victory nor was he concerned about anyone else's feelings. Who but a Clinton would hold an end of primary rally?

[WillTheGoober]

170. This is an election like no other ...

It's close -- it's personal -- and it's divided.

I think Obama will give her and her supporters the time they need.

W.

[XemaSab]

4. She's a deeply selfish person

:shrug:

[SoCalDem]

5. Because she's an egotistical, greedy person..

and she has no "grace"..

[WillTheGoober]

10. Why are you so mean?

I don't understand how Obama can be saying such great things about Hillary -- and really making attempts at mending things -- and yet his supporters are so damn mean.

Your candidate is going to need us now.
Why don't you focus on him and get over her?

W.

[Independent-Voter]

22. Sounds like you need Obama more. Time to get on the O train.

[SoCalDem]

29. Because, in order to WIN, the loser must actually LOSE and realize it

She LOST and still wants to be seen as the WINNER.. She's STEALING HIS LIMELIGHT..

Today should NOT be about HER.. It's HIS DAY.. HE WON !!


She lost because SHE planed wrong, hired the wrong people, did not read the rules, overspent..HE did not BEAT her..She BEAT HERSELF..

Had SHE concentrated on the states that put him ahead, she MIGHT have won this thing..

Had she not pissed off 90% of the African American base, she might have won some places she lost big..

Obama did NOT cause her to lose..HILLARY caused HILLARY to lose..

[WillTheGoober]

33. haha ...

It's always on the winner to win -- not the loser to lose.

So you're saying your candidate didn't win, he simply let the other candidate lose?

That doesn't say much about Obama does it?

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[woolldog]

98. you have to admit she's making herself look ridiculous.

I suppose that's her right. But at some point it just becomes pathetic. We're rapidly closing in on that point, imo.

[WillTheGoober]

102. Oh I don't think so ...

Tell that to all of her supporters.

I guess we're just a bunch of dummies huh?
I hope Obama takes a better course than some of his supporters.

[woolldog]

111. really?

she doesn't remind you of the psycho ex-girlfriend who won't admit it's over?

I'm expecting to hear reports in a couple of weeks of her driving by Obama's house slowly at night to see if his car is in the driveway, calling him and hanging up when he answers, etc.

:rofl:

[WillTheGoober]

132. See ...

It's subtle misogyny like that.

It's amazing that misogyny is so accepted, yet if anything is said even remotely racist everyone is in arms.

You just compared a woman who was the first woman partner at her law firm -- a woman who has built herself up through a political system made for men -- and you compared her to a crazy ex-girlfriend.

Do you realize Hillary has millions of supporters who have wanted her to fight until the end?

I mean really.

W.

[woolldog]

138. that's exactly how she's acting.

that's what she reminds me of. I agree it's a shame and she's sullying her legacy in the process.

I'm sorry but I've known lots of women partners in law firms, who didn't get there because of their husbands political influence. And there are plenty of successful female politicians out there (Boxer, Feinstein, Barabara Lee, Maxine Waters, Sebelius, McCaskill etc). She's not the touchstone for women or feminism.

[WillTheGoober]

148. heh ...

From Wikipedia:

A native of Illinois, Hillary Rodham first attracted national attention in 1969 for her remarks as the first student to deliver the commencement address at Wellesley College. She embarked on a career in law after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973. Following a stint as a Congressional legal counsel, she moved to Arkansas in 1974, and married Bill Clinton in 1975. She was later named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979, and was twice listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America.

----

And it would make sense for a misogynist to disregard the work Hillary did aside from her husband -- as well as to dismiss the work she did to get her husband to the Presidency.

W.

[woolldog]

160. And?

Some of us weren't even born then. What does it matter to me that she was the first female partner of the Rose Law Firm? Why should I care and what does that have to do with her inability to admit that she's lost. It's pathetic.

[WillTheGoober]

163. It means ...

She should be respected more than to be compared to an ex-girlfriend.

She hasn't lost yet.
Do you not get that?
You have to clinch enough delegates to win.


W.

[woolldog]

187. she started off with most Dem's respect....

and squandered it.

[WillTheGoober]

193. haha ...

I don't know about that.
Liberals don't represent most of the party.

W.

[DJ13]

6. The entire election has been about her

Her whole reason for running for President was one big ego trip.

[polichick]

16. I guess the entire Dem party was supposed to be about the Clintons too...

SURPRISE!!!:)

[JVS]

8. Because she has decided to act like this guy

[polichick]

19. LOL :)

[WillTheGoober]

39. Not funny.

[JVS]

That's your opinion.

[WillTheGoober]

55. And I gave it.

[JVS]

58. And I reject it.

[WillTheGoober]

61. haha .. OK. :)

[Avalux]

18. Because it's ALWAYS all about her.

If she were to be on the ticket with Obama, it would be all about her. No thanks.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. And Bill, too.

God knows he can't keep his mouth shut for long.

[mtnsnake]

115. Go cry a river about Bill to all your fellow freepers at FR

[Starbucks Anarchist]

137. Keep jerking off to your Hillary shrine, asshole.

[mtnsnake]

139. Keep jerking off to your sisters picture you fucking little twit freeper troll

Hope that helps....

[Starbucks Anarchist]

145. I don't have a sister.

But if I did, she'd stay as far away from your crazy ass as possible.

[susankh4]

23. Sort of like how the news after West Va, KY, PR ... was all about him.

What goes around.... as they say....

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Y'all better hush up, or the Big dawg will be

foaming at the mouth again...

[OzarkDem]

26. Whiner

and no, nothing is conclusive vis a vis Obama.

[polichick]

34. The Obama campaign is whining because they think the night he goes over the top...

...should be about him?! What a Clintonian way to look at it!

[tridim]

37. Are you planning on supporting our nominee tonight?

If not, enjoy your last day on DU.

[WillTheGoober]

41. This is Obama only now?

We can choose to not choose.

But ... I will support the Obama Clinton 2008 ticket.

W.

[RaleighNCDUer]

143. That is a ticket you will never see. nt

[WillTheGoober]

155. Obama Clinton 2008 -- woohoo!

[OzarkDem]

56. No, my candidate will still be in the race

[tridim]

62. You're silly.

What'll it be? Sausage? Black olives? Crow?

[snooper2]

40. Why would tonight be different than any other night...

In Hillaryland?

[joshcryer]

42. Another male cinches the Presidency, not so interesting.

[polichick]

43. The very first African American isn't interesting?! That's crazy.

[WillTheGoober]

45. Well ...

He is interesting.

Obama Clinton 2008 would be more interesting.

[OzarkDem]

59. Another male cinches the Dem nomination, moves ahead to defeat

Not unusual, very typical for the Democratic Party.

What was it Einstein said about repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

80. Here is an Einstein quote especially for you...

Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools.
Albert Einstein

[OzarkDem]

199. Back at ya!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

64. Damn white guys.

Oh, wait...

[NightOwwl]

79. lol /nt

[WA98296]

63. Narcisstic Personality Disorder...At least FIVE of these need to be present:

(1) Possesses a grandiose sense of self importance (for example: exaggerates his achievements and his talents, expects his superiority to be recognised without having the commensurate skills or achievements).

(2) Pre-occupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance and beauty or of ideal love.

(3) Believes that he is unique and special and that only high status and special people (or institutions) could understand him (or that it is only with such people and institutions that it is worth his while to be associated with).

(4) Demands excessive and exceptional admiration.

(5) Feels that he is deserving of exceptionally good treatment, automatic obeisance of his (usually unrealistic) expectations.

(6) Exploitative in his interpersonal relationships, uses others to achieve his goals.

(7) Lacks empathy: is disinterested in other people's needs and emotions and does not identify with them.

(8) Envies others or believes that others envy him.

(9) Displays arrogance and haughtiness.

[Midlodemocrat]

75. Dr. Frist? Is that you?

:eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

198. That's not a diagnosis. It's just a list of symptoms.

Do they fit?

















Yup.

[polichick]

78. I see what you mean. Yikes!

[Hamlette]

81. it's exactly what I was thinking. Why does he have to bow down to her tonight? n/t

[stillcool]

101. Has it ever been about anything else?

[AtomicKitten]

112. Once she musters the grace to concede, she will be forgotten.

[Lucky 13]

125. The concept of grace escapes her

[AtomicKitten]

140. Her abject lack of grace in this race has been breathtaking.

She has tried to drag this race into the gutter where she resides apparently quite content with the company of wingnuts.

She's being fitted for her pink tutu to join her predecessor:

[WillTheGoober]

133. Hillary Clinton forgotten?

Give me a break.

[AtomicKitten]

164. the goalposts are now cast in cement and the cameras will turn away from her

Without being in the spotlight flailing about 24/7, she returns to the comfort of her Senate seat and the cameras turn toward Barack as the Democratic nominee.

And this protracted nomination process is the break she was afforded graciously. That's it. There's nothing else for her. And for all practical purposes, yes, she will be forgotten in the bigger scheme of things.

[WillTheGoober]

172. haha ...

If your candidate wants to win, she'll be 'flailing about' in support of him.

W.

[AtomicKitten]

179. If she was "all that" as you seem to imply, she would have beaten Barack

... but she didn't. It's over for her. And all the haughty posturing done on her behalf is now a sideshow. Point, point, clap, clap.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. Good question, but I know the answer: it's ALWAYS about her and I'm sick of it.

[electron_blue]

146. I laughed when I heard this on the tv. No, tonight is about Obama.

[harun]

158. I blame the media more than I blame Hillary. They promote the horse

race over the issues at every opportunity.

[WillTheGoober]

194. Agreed!

[Stop Cornyn]

162. Why is the scene where Dorothy dumps a bucket of water on the wicked witch all about the witch and

not about Dorothy's triumph?

[WillTheGoober]

166. Ummm ...

Hillary supporters don't think of her as the wicked witch.
That's the problem. We believe in her.

And if Obama is smart, he'll refrain from using the language that his supporters are using when talking about Hillary.

W.

[moondust]

167. Attention hound!

Both her and her husband. Perfectly suited to American politics!

[WillTheGoober]

169. I like Bill and Hill :-)

W.

[Junkdrawer]

175. Reason #1 why Obama will never pick Hillary as VP:

Even if he won, it wouldn't be his presidency.

[polichick]

189. I think he'd be NUTZ to do that!

[crankychatter]

176. it's wrong, so wrong - I want to DO something about it - nt

.

[TexasObserver]

177. Obama needs to seize the moment, declare victory, and ignore her pathetic ass.

I agree with him. Of all times for Little Miss Thang to understand IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING BIRTHDAY, HILLY! this is it.

She should concede, thank her supporters, go home, and grow the fuck up!!

[WillTheGoober]

178. What are you talking about?

How is she pathetic? For fighting for something she believes in? For answering her supporters to fight for this nomination?

Why do you Obama supporters want things handed to him?
It makes him seem weak.

W.

[TexasObserver]

197. Hold that thought until the Ignore feature returns.

I don't fucking care about your hurt feelings. Get over it. Your candidate lost. Is this your first rodeo? Get up, stop acting like a petulant child, and get on board with the nominee of the party.

She's not qualified to be president of the United States. President of a University? That's more her skill set.

[cboy4]

180. You people have such low self esteem it's embarrassing.

Hillary getting all of the attention.

Awwww.

Confident people worry about themselves, not other people.

Obama fans should take notes.

[polichick]

188. The only cry babies in this story are the Clintons and their supporters.

[high density]

190. I see the ignore lists have stopped working

and now every prehistoric spamtrollbot is out for one last death march.

[cboy4]

195. You put the "s" is spamtrollbot.

Trust me coward.