'Breaking: Obama is Not the Official Nominee'

[Maribelle]

By Jeralyn
On Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:49:15 PM EST


The AP, which still has egg on its face from this morning's false report that Hillary would concede Obama, does it again.

The AP is sending out a breaking news report that Obama has reached the magic number and is officially the nominee.

Votes are cast at the convention in August. Superdelegates can change their mind any time before then. If this went to an open convention, even pledged delegates would be released from their pledge after the first vote.

This does not mean it's going to the convention. It means that until one candidate drops out, there can be no winner because the number of delegates that candidate has can change any time until the convention.


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http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/3/134915/6795

[scheming daemons]

1. By that standard, NOBODY is ever a nominee until the convention... McCain isn't either....

[Arkansas Granny]

56. The Republicans have different rules about selecting their nominee. I don't

know if they consider McCain the official or presumptive nominee.

[Drunken Irishman]

82. They do. All their pledged delegates can go to any candidate they want at the convention.

McCain is still the presumptive nominee and will hold that tag until it's made official at the convention.

[VotesForWomen]

83. when all other candidiates have dropped out and one has a *huge* lead, they can be assumed to be the

nominee, but hell, if they tanked before the convention, the delegates could still pick someone else. deal with it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

87. The AP mistake was one of sending out a prewritten article ahead of time...

It has happened before with AP.

Apparently they have articles prewritten for certain outcomes. In the past they sent out an article about Cheney returning to work after a heart procedure, meeting with Staff at 7:30 a.m., then on to another meeting at 9:00 a.m. The problem is that it was published 11:00 p.m. the NIGHT BEFORE.

[rhett o rick]

89. AND your point is???????? nm

[MNDemNY]

106. That IS correct.

[Doityourself]

2. Obama is the probable nominee..is that more acceptable?

[XemaSab]

3. You just keep smoking that crack there...

:crazy:

[Florida4Obama]

5. lmfao @ hillbots in a denial stage

[panAmerican]

44. Oh, THAT's where Tatum O'Neal's crack went! Explains why she made bail.

Jeralyn took it! Bad, Jeralyn, bad girl!

[JVS]

52. If only Zuni and his crack-smoking smiley were here!

[XemaSab]

60. I was thinking the same thing

:(

[tammywammy]

92. Here's one

[MadBadger]

4. Neither is John McCain...whats your point?

[grasswire]

6. presumed nominee

It will have to be that terminology.

[Adelante]

Really pathetic nt

[gateley]

7. It says he "effectively" clinched -- and it's conjecture:

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

[WeDidIt]

8. Spin spin spin

PRESUMPTIVE is the word.

PRESUMPTIVE.

Next?

[phrigndumass]

12. Someone shit in the whirlpool again!

:rofl: :evilgrin:

[TheWraith]

9. And theoretically I could become the Emperor of Cameroon.

That doesn't change the fact that anybody who thinks Clinton is still in this in any real way is delusional.

[thewiseguy]

10. You have 7 days to get in line.

[Maribelle]

15. Whatever you do ...

don't hold your breath

[Doityourself]

18. What does that mean?

[thewiseguy]

19. Means we wont see her posts after 7 days

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

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[jenmito]

11. True-He's the PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Just like McCain!

:hi:

[Lucky 13]

13. Wow... and "Jeralyn" is such a reputable source!

:eyes:

Even if Hillary doesn't concede or suspend. Even if she continues to stomp her feet and undermine our nominee... it's OVER. The superdelegates will move en masse and her campaign is over.

Too bad she has to be the last one to acknowledge this.

[Maribelle]

40. Jeralyn is light years ahead of the hate hillary sites such as TPM and Kos

[yodermon]

48. The polk-award-winning TPM is a hillary hate site?

And Larry Johnson's vile pit of filth known as "no quarter" is all fair & balanced n shit.

:rofl:

[Maribelle]

57. erm ... We are talking about Jeralyn.

Please try to keep up.

[beachmom]

72. Wrong. Jeralyn is a Hillary partisan and will spin things that way.

Can't you be honest about it?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

14. Bless your heart.

[JackORoses]

16. Go ahead, get it all out of your system

1 week from today this board will belong to Barack Obama.

[tmoore411]

69. It's belonged to Obama from the start, which is kinda sad that you would let the same schmucks

that sold the Iraq war (MSM) sell you a truckload of crap again.

[Prophet 451]

86. Bullshit

The mods have addressed this: According to the site surveys they ran, the majority of DU posters were for Kucinich, then Edwards and then settled on Obama. It hasn't been an Obama board until fairly late in the campaign and even if it was, so what? It's not the job of DU mods to ensure that equal numbers here choose Hillary and Obama.

[Kool Kitty]

109. That's pretty funny, because up until

Super Tuesday, the MSM was telling us that Senator Clinton was the inevitable nominee.

[K Gardner]

17. Are you insane?? You think you can keep spouting this crap all summer.. what an embarassment.

[mikelgb]

20. ...

[LaurenG]

21. I've heard about cases like this before...

I sincerely hope you will back our nominee.

[Bread and Circus]

22. It's called presumptive nominee and that's good enough for DU...so foster

division here while you still can.

[papapi]

23. And did you write that up all by yourself? Just curious.

[Maribelle]

27. Ha ha ha

No.

But thanks for asking!

[americanstranger]

25. The Ultimate (and final) Goal Post Move.

I feel bad for JeraLynn. This primary has really driven her round the bend.

But, hey. That's the endgame for Hillary supporters. No moving the goalposts once they've moved it there. Git the cement.

- as

[slinkerwink]

26. Bill Clinton was already the nominee in 1992 while Jerry Brown was in the race

[Maribelle]

29. President Clinton received the magic number in primary/caucus delegates - - Obama can't

[tabatha]

32. Really?

your math is as bad as Hillary's.

Nancy Pelosi said this would be over this week.

[Maribelle]

35. FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_1992 "> corrected link here

[tabatha]

61. What does that have to do with the situation today?

Nancy Pelosi said it will be over this week.

What I find incredibly frightening is the number of women who will not accept Hillary's defeat.

It is almost as bad as Whites not accepting a Black candidate.

It is so disheartening in this the 21st century.

It is border-line evil.

[slinkerwink]

34. oh, he'll receive the magic number tonight :-)

You can't revise it to 'primary' delegates instead of 'caucus' delegates or 'superdelegate' delegates. The magic number includes ALL of those.

[Maribelle]

36. FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_1992 "> corrected link here

[slinkerwink]

107. so? Bill had more delegates than Brown in 1992

[cbc5g]

28. 7 days to get in line or be banned n/t

[Maribelle]

31. Whatever you do, don't let true facts stand in your way.

[muryan]

88. What facts?

The only thing you've posted on here is the wiki page for the 1992 primary, which is completely irrelevant.

[Occam Bandage]

30. True. He's the presumptive nominee. Just like John McCain.

[Maribelle]

37. John McCain received the magic number in state elections

[SoonerPride]

43. So did Obama.

Super deegates elected to go with the will of the people.

Thus, the people have chosen Obama.

duh.

[Maribelle]

55. Superdelegates do not vote until the convention.

Obama's folks here on DU appear to be ill informed.

[Barack_America]

45. The Republican party does not have superdelegates...

They only have pledged delegates.

So your point would be? :shrug:


We have a combination of both, which is the main argument your candidate had been making for staying in the race, after it was clear that she could not emerge with a majority of pledged delegates.

Even if you argue the presumptive nominee should be decided by the pledged delegate winner, the winner of more states, etc., it's still Obama.

He and McCain have become the presumptive nominees by exactly the same criteria.

[Occam Bandage]

46. ...so? All delegates, super or pledged, are the exact same:

1. They get one vote.
2. They can vote however they like.
3. It's exceedingly rare for them to reverse an endorsement.

[Maribelle]

58. 4. They don't cast their superdelegate votes until the convention

[Occam Bandage]

70. "Superdelegate vote" is meaningless. All delegates don't vote until the convention. However,

once a majority of them endorse a candidate, that candidate becomes the presumptive nominee. Sure, everyone could change their mind, even though that has never actually happened--that's why that word "presumptive" is in there.

[Maribelle]

79. 'At some point between now and the Democratic convention in August, one of the two remaining ...

'... Democratic front-runners will drop out of the race, and the remaining candidate will become the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee'

[stray cat]

33. McCain isn't the nominee - it could be Ron Paul Excellent!

[Goblinmonger]

38. ...

[Maribelle]

42. That picture is truly adorable

What a cutie.

[Goblinmonger]

39. oops n/t

[GDAEx2]

41. I'm wondering

how the report that Hillary will concede tonight be considered false at this point in the day. I don't care who is reporting what. I don't believe Hillary even really knows what she will do tonight.

:puke:

[Maribelle]

49. Her campaign has issued a statement that Hillary will not concede tonight

http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/clinton-campaign-chairman-hill-000687.php

[panAmerican]

47. IOW, the winner isn't the winner till the loser says so!

Boy, it'll be a hard withdrawal once she finishes off the rest of Tatum O'Neal's cc.

[Maribelle]

53. Wrong. Superdelegates do not actually vote until the convention.

[scheming daemons]

62. Neither do pledged delegates.... Never have.... by your statement,

NO CANDIDATE HAS EVER BEEN OFFICIAL UNTIL THE CONVENTION FLOOR VOTE.

[Ikonoklast]

50. Breaking: Reality Is Biased Against Me-Hillary Clinton

By: DumberThanAFencePostButICanStillDoBasicMath


Today Hillary Clinton rejected the reality of the known physical universe and substituted her own.

"We all can see for ourselves how Reality has been biased against me all along in my historic, ground-breaking, one-of-a-kind, ready from day one, I did everything on my own campaign" stated the candidate, "And since Reality won't come to terms with my apparent winning of the Democratic nomination for the presidency, I reject it totally. No matter what you may hear or read about Barack Obama winning the nomination, in my world that event never occurred"

When questioned by this reporter about how wishing away the physical plane on which we exist would actually accomplish her goals, she replied, "You don't really exist here, so I don't have to answer any question unless it comes from a hard-working reporter, a white reporter."

When pressed for a further explanation, she put her thumbs in her ears and closed her eyes tightly, all the while saying softly, "...this isn't really happening, this isn't really happening....."

[SoonerPride]

51. Get on board or get out of our way.

Elections are about important matters meant for grownups.

If you intend to be pouty and whine, espcially because your feelings got hurt on the internets, then get out of our way.

We're taking the country back and have today officially selected our presumptive nominee, Barack Obama.

We expect you as a Democrat to support that decision and vote for our nominee.

[Maribelle]

54. Neither Obama nor Hillary cannot get the magic number until the Superdelegates actually vote.

Superdelegates vote at the convention.

[scheming daemons]

63. Pledged delegates vote at the convention too.... MEANINGLESS point by you....

No nomination is EVER "official" until the convention floor vote.

[Maribelle]

66. And? You are supporting my point.

[scheming daemons]

73. You have NO point to support! During EVERY primary race, a candidate becomes the

presumptive nominee until the convention floor vote.

For both parties.


Every time.


Bill Clinton in 1996, even though he was the sitting president, was simply the "presumptive" nominee until the convention vote.


Your "point" is nothing but silliness.


Obama is as much the Democratic nominee now as McCain is the GOP nominee.


You're making a fool of yourself.

[onenote]

74. If HRC was the nominee and won the popular vote in states with a majority of electoral votes

would you object to the statement that she was "effectively" elected president if it was made before the electoral college actually met and voted?

[Maribelle]

78. I am sure that as soon as a candidate reaches the magic number things will indicate 'presumptive'

[onenote]

80. so Obama can be the presumptive nominee without waiting for the convention?

Just trying to make sure I understand your post.

[Maribelle]

84. the bullying and intimidation of Hillary supporters on du-p is sickening

Skinner said:

'At some point between now and the Democratic convention in August, one of the two remaining Democratic front-runners will drop out of the race, and the remaining candidate will become the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee'


Other than this, the term 'presumptive democratic presidential nominee' appears to be a term that O's followers can pull out of thin air any time they want.

[muryan]

90. How is asking you to back up your argument bullying?

The fact is, Obama will have over 2118 delegates this week. That will make him the presumptive nominee. While we all agree that the votes aren't actually cast until the convention, that does not mean that he hasnt locked up what he needs to win the nomination.

[Maribelle]

95. So then, you agree he is not the presumptive nominee yet?

[muryan]

104. At the moment, no

In a few hours, very probable

[onenote]

93. I'm not trying to bully anyone - just asking if there is a presumptive president elect

before the electoral college meets and actually casts their votes for president?

[Maribelle]

94. Sorry, I didn't mean you.

The electoral college is binded by the election. Before we had instant election results, many votes were not know until the electoral college participants gathered.

[onenote]

101. actually, the electors are not bound by the election

Around 1/2 the states have laws that would punish electors for disregarding the popular vote, but only two states, out of 50, have laws that render a nonconforming vote by an electoral "invalid" -- in other words, until the electors actually cast their votes, the outcome is, theoretically, uncertain. But virtually no one acts as if that is the case because, as a general rule, no matter how close the election is, the outcome doesn't change.

And that, essentially, is the situation that we will face once a sufficient number of delegates have publicly announced their intention to support one candidate to give that candidate the nomination. That candidate will then be the presumptive nominee even though their status as the official nominee will not be confirmed until the convention and even though the status as presumptive nominee could change at or before the convention if delegates were to change their mind.

[dbmk]

110. That would be the entire point of the presumptive part, wouldn't it?

[stillcool]

59. He is the "Presumptive" nominee..

Hillary can still grasp the nomination if she gets the "catastrophic event" she has been hoping for. I can't imagine why she thinks the Democrats would choose someone else if she concedes.

[BlooInBloo]

64. That *is* pretty embarrassing

for talkleft.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. Breaking: you're making zero sense. Obama is the nominee - get used to it.

[Maribelle]

81. 'At some point between now and the Democratic convention in August, one of the two remaining ...

'... Democratic front-runners will drop out of the race, and the remaining candidate will become the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee'

[GoldieAZ49]

67. The DNC could just give him another 40 delegates

it isn't like he has to earn them from voters or anything

[Maribelle]

76. How true.

The rules committee had no right to take votes from Hillary and give them to Obama. But, evidently, they do not care one iota about voters rights when push comes to shove. Ironic,that.

[Gore1FL]

77. We caould take away all the votes from the supers if you would like

Then he won earlier. Realize, as you try to delegitimize super delegates, that in doing so this was over, in Obama's favor, after KY.

[Maribelle]

97. Actually, it seems the poster was bashing the actions of rules committee.

[Gore1FL]

99. Thrules committee gave Hillary delegates that were not supposed to count

The argument seems to fall flat.

[Irishonly]

68. McCain isn't either

It's why they use the word presumptive.

[beachmom]

71. They're not going to change their minds. As to the AP report, I will

wait until the numbers come through officially. Not sure why they jumped the gun. Give me the NAMES of the superdelegates who will endorse Obama, plus delegates from tonight FIRST.

[VolcanoJen]

75. BREAKING: John Kerry was not the nominee until July

This is just crazy-talk from a bunch of increasingly sore losers over at TalkLeft.

It's embarrassing, it really is.

[TexasObserver]

85. Posting a message from another board is really lame.

OMG, some anonymous woman somewhere wrote something that says it's not over!

THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP!!

[Maribelle]

96. Lame? Did you say that regarding all the posting from the hate hillary sites ad nauseam?

Why I'll just bet you didn't, did you.

[TexasObserver]

98. Lame lame lame. All such postings are lame.

Happy now?

As for Hillary, she's a royal pain in the ass and I will happy to see her disappear soon.

[kdpeters]

91. Breaking: Throwing tantrums won't take it to the convention.

[redqueen]

100. Good Lord Almighty this is effin SAD.

[Orsino]

102. I don't think it's a false report that Clinton will concede to Obama.

I believe it will turn out merely to be a bit premature.

[JerseygirlCT]

103. "Presumptive nominee" is the correct term, I believe nt

[Political Heretic]

105. It is as official is it is that John McCain is the Republican Nominee.

It's the same difference, just as significant and just as important, and everyone who isn't fucking high on CRACK understands this.

[LiberalAndProud]

108. Isn't that why we have Presumptive Nominees?

silly

[Spider Jerusalem]

111. Official? No. Presumptive, barring tragedy or career-ending scandal? Yes.