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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:10 PM
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The buried lead in Bill Clinton's comments
Bill yesterday in SD: "This may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of this kind."

Most people read this as Bill signaling that Hillary's campaign was coming to an end. But there's another way to interpret it: The Clintons WILL NOT be hitting the campaign trail for Barack Obama this fall.

Why else would this be Bill's "last day" -- unless the most successful Democratic president since FDR has no intention of campaigning for his party's nominee?

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:12 PM
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1. It was a plea for a pity/nostalgia vote. He's been doing that since Texas.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:13 PM
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2. I heard that too.
So what, they're useless pigs anyway. Good riddance.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:13 PM
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3. That's a possibility, surely.
One that I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. After his performance during the primary, I wouldn't want this loose cannon anywhere near my GE campaign, if I were Obama.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:14 PM
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5. Agreed - keep Bill away from the GE
But some kind words and strong support at the convention would go a very long way.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:14 PM
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4. Nonsense. Bill used his entire 3 week book tour in summer2004 to defend the candidate
and his positions on terrorism and Iraq war - of course, the candidate was GWBush. Bill must have just forgotten he was supposed to still be playing a Democrat.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville forgot he was supposed to be playing a Democrat, then, too.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Hammm....must run in the family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:16 PM
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7. How soon people forget
Those are some great links and quotes.

The memory is short for Clinton defenders.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:28 PM
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12. dup -- Bush is a retarded monkey
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 05:29 PM by jgraz
Why waste a post?


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:31 PM
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14. I expect we'll eventually hear more from Gore's 2000 campaign - Vanity Fair article was a start
Because some of them certainly saw the undermining of Gore by the Clintons and would submit THAT was the beginning of the "It's Me or Nobody" Hillary2008 campaign.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:29 PM
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13. Yep, that was pretty disgusting
And, of course, we can now see that as the start of Hillary's "It's Me or Nobody" campaign.

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:15 PM
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6. Obama could use there help if it was of a positive nature in campaigning....
but keep them away otherwise.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:49 PM
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21. At the very least, they could take up some of the slack for the downticket races
I can see them not campaigning with Obama after all the sturm und drang, but they could help out by campaigning in Senate and House races.

If they do nothing, it will pretty much seal their reputation as the sorest of sore losers.


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dsweet Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:16 PM
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8. I split hairs
Sure, if by "kind" he means, it's the last time he'll be involved in the 2008 Democratic Primary race for his wife with two states to go, Then yeah I could bank on it.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:16 PM
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9. Bill had a seat at the head table, he won't with Obama. and he knows that.
He will campaign for him, but not as one of the strategy/policymakers.Just my 2 cents and what I got out of his speech. He won't do more than he did for Kerry, but more than he did for Gore.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:22 PM
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10. They will claim "exhaustion" and back off from their "promise"
Any "support" she gives Obama will be tepid at best, and might do more harm than benefit..

Obama will have to do this on his own,. and with the help of his grassroots network.

he is a better candidate than Mccain, and smarter & quicker, so he should prevail..

He MUST resist the temptation to placate Hillary..She's not the helpmate people think she would be..

Her angry supporters can hear the dog-whistle...she wants them to make him lose, so she can run in '12 as the I-Told-You-So-Hillary.:puke:

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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:24 PM
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11. Good. Hit the fucking road, clymidia boy.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:32 PM
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15. Maybe she will finally agree to give him that divorce now...n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:34 PM
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16. He made his intentions clear. He doesn't plan to campaign for Obama.
That's how I read it. What else is there?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:35 PM
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17. He can fuck off for all i care
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:38 PM
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18. At this point, I'm not sure that Barack wants Bill to campaign for him
Look how it turned out for Hillary.

Seriously though, I think that Hillary will and she will be welcomed. Bill would be seen as too much of a hypocrite. Next election (if Hillary isn't involved) he will able to campaign sincerely.

I also think that part of his meaning is being involved at the level he was involved in Hillary's campaign. If he stumps for somebody else in the future, he won't be involved at that level.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:44 PM
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19. You've got a point there.
Still, it's a pretty sad way to leave the political stage.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:46 PM
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20. Word n/t
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