Put Hillary in charge of Health, that's as far as I go

[Jersey Devil]

I do like her health care plan, so if that is what it takes to make peace with her, make her Secretary of Health & Human Services, make her version of health care part of the platform and let her run the show in the development of universal health care. It's something she would really like I would think and would give her a tremendous legacy if she could accomplish it. But no veep

[Hutzpa]

1. Agreed, if thats what it takes go ahead and put her there n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

28. Good lord, NO! Her ham-fisted approach would cause complete failure.,,,,

She's not qualified for any Obama post, certainly not in charge of HEALTH.

She failed at it before and hasn't bothered to make it a priority since. I think Edwards would be fantastic in charge of Health, but not Hillary.

She's part of he old-ways status-quo Obama wants to change. Having her in his administration would be like tieing an anchor around his neck.

[Hutzpa]

30. On that note, forget it

thats the thing with the Clintons, there is always a story yet untold about
them.

[dana_b]

2. total agreement. she'd be great in that role. n/t

[kenny blankenship]

8. Just like last time!

Ummm... maybe not.

[MarjorieG]

23. Doesn't mean only her plan. Hope she negotiates and understands mandates a non-starter.

[MessiahRp]

3. My issue is she's been handed health care before and bungled it pretty horrifically

And I think the health care crisis is far worse this time out and we cannot afford another fumble on the goal line.

Rp

[dana_b]

7. that was also the year that the repubs took over congress.

a tough nut to crack.

[PoliticalAmazon]

29. It was her ham-fisted approach that made it fail. She thought she....

could ram it down the throats of Congress, and they showed her she couldn't.

Please, let's not handicap Obama's administration with Hillary Clinton.

[QC]

33. Yes, the hundreds of millions of bucks that Health Care, Inc. poured into defeating the plan

had absolutely nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.

Hillary blew it.

Thank goodness those thoughtful, beneficent Republicans saved us from her monstrous plot to communistify our doctors!

[PoliticalAmazon]

35. Her plan was a giant blow-job to her pharmaceutical co. benefactors....

Her secret meetings with them tells us all what Senator Cheney--er, Senator Clinton--was doing in there...probably the same thing Cheney was doing with his secret energy meetings: letting industry write the programs and laws they wanted.

[Shoelace]

36. your're right, Moore's "SICKO" said this too, Big Pharm spent millions to defeat her

health care plan. Quote from Michael Moore.com:

SiCKO: $100 million spent to defeat Hillary's health care plan.

"Even before debate began in Congress, a powerful coalition had been cobbled together to fight Clintoncare, as opponents labeled it - congressional Republicans, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the National Federation of Independent Businesses, the Business Roundtable, the Christian Coalition, the conservative radio talk show network. Those groups spent between $100 million and $ 300 million to defeat it. And the battle was fought like a presidential campaign - with a TV advertising campaign, a network of field operatives and public relations experts to lobby members of Congress back in their districts." Rob Christensen, "Who killed health care reform? Answer: Everyone," News & Observer, June 19, 1996.
"In 1993-94, the Health Insurance Association of America, a trade group, spent about $15 million on advertising to defeat Clinton's proposed overhaul of the nation's health care system." John MacDonald, "Proponents, Opponents Join Battle Over Drug Price Limits," Hartford Courant, June 21, 2000.
"'We spent $1.4 million to fight President Clinton's plan,' says." Harold Cox, "Business will spearhead Health Reform II ; Old enemies of Clinton's plan in lead," Washington Times, December 27, 1994.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/


I remember it so well and it was sickening how the corporate owned media falsely accused her of bungling it herself. Geez, some of these DUers need to check the history. What a bunch of sore winners! Oh yea and I voted for Obama btw!!!

[QC]

38. We're getting a lot of right wing revisionist history around here lately.

Either the freeper account of the past twenty years has caught on with the larger public or, as seems to me more likely, we have a lot of people here at DU sailing under false flags.

In either case, it's truly amazing how much freeper bullshit we have been seeing posted here in the past six months or so, with the "Hillary the Tyrant killed health care reform" canard being only one of many examples.

[Shoelace]

43. go figure, they listen to TV soundbites, don't really know our party's history

or your latter assumption might just be correct. I've surely seen alot of what appeared to be Republicans in drag on this forum. Or...maybe they are folks that recently switched parties and can't get all the fuzz out of their brains yet? Whatever it is, we need to call them on these one liners that trash any Democrat for whatever reason.

Hopefully after tonight, the Mods will shut them up, sure hope so.

[QC]

44. Yes, let's hope the revisionism will end soon.

I think what happened is that we had many people here who were furious at Senator Clinton, since she had the unmitigated gall to run against their candidate, and they reached for whatever anti-Clinton material was easily available, 90% of which, of course, originated during the Get Bill project of the 90s.

[Hieronymus]

9. I agree.

[rurallib]

11. She seems to bungle things she is in charge of

I really don't mean that as a shot, although it sounds like one. I think she is a great team member, but just not a leader.

[Jersey Devil]

14. She is smart enough to have learned from her mistakes

First time around she was doing it as a first lady (along with nepotism claims) new to Washington and with no real contacts in Congress. Additionally, she did not reach out for public input or for changes from other pols.

All these years later there is no questioning her knowledge in the field, she has worked well from I have seen in the Senate and knows the ins and outs of what it takes to accomplish something. Plus, as we know, she never gives up.

I think she could do a very good job of it.

[MessiahRp]

17. Another issue is her current health care plan is practically a giveaway to HMOs

What we need is a health care plan that takes HMOs out of the equation. Hillary is too connected to them to do that. Her own health care plan forces citizens onto HMO rolls. That is not the way to go and will only hurt us long term. Every time we give big corporations of an industry this type of complete control they purposely fuck over their customers (the American consumer/taxpayer) to the limits.

See: Mortgage Industry, Oil Companies....

Rp

[PoliticalAmazon]

31. Apparently she's not smart enough to learn from her mistakes!....

She continues her ham-fisted approach, and we got a good view of it this campaign season.

She has not changed her approach since her failed attempts at overhauling health care. To think that she will magically get a psyche implant at his stage of the game is delusional.

[babylonsister]

18. Yes, that's my concern as well. Unless she's willing to compromise,

I'm not interested.

[Jersey Devil]

19. Umm, I see your point

She doesn't seem too big on compromise. Oh well, just trying to find a slot that will satisfy both sides by bringing some unity and at the same time giving Hillary something to pad her resume for 2016. Maybe education would be better for her like some others have said, though judging by some friends of mine who are teachers they'd rather have Dracula as their school principals rather than Hillary in charge of education, though I am not sure why.

[babylonsister]

20. I don't need as much compromise on education; get rid of NCLB,

do what's right instead of what's politically expedient, and she can have it! ;) But if past is prelude, the whole healthcare thing under the big dawg was scotched because she couldn't modify her views to come to an agreement with others. In that case, I think some reform would have been better than nothing.

I hope Obama thinks long and hard about what role Clinton can/will play. She'd be an asset somewhere, but I don't know where yet. I guess we'll have to trust his instincts. I just hope the VP is out of her grasp. I've got Clinton fatigue.

[jgraz]

4. I say we make her Ambassador to Bosnia

She can finally try dodging those snipers.

[99th_Monkey]

5. I totally agree, or maybe Sec. of Education..

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[Deja Q]

10. Or a military advisor...

She's been strong, coherent, and consistent, on defense.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. They''l get right on that for you.

[riverwalker]

13. Head of Iraq Truth and Reconciliation Commission

like they did in South Africa, have testimony of the horrors of her war. No time to read a 92 page NIE, Hillary? Listen to the consequences.

[murray hill farm]

15. Perfect!

It has been her cause, it would be a great legacy for her....her health plan is really good...and she would be great at it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. She's too tight with pharma and big insurance.

I couldn't object to Education, though. Basically, all she'd have to do is get rid of NCLB, and let the schools do their thing - no management issues to screw up.

[TexasObserver]

21. Secretary of the Department of Tall Tales and Making Shit Up

Create a new cabinet post especially designed for her.

[newmajority]

22. Do you know how to get in touch with Bill & Ted?

We'll have to tune up the old phone booth and send them back to get Hillary 1993, because Hillary 2008's RomneyCare forced corporate health care ain't gonna cut it.

[southern_belle]

24. I agree n/t

[polichick]

25. That would work for me - maybe. Her corporate connections are questionable.

[watercolors]

26. I hope there is a place for her in Obama's cabnet

She is extremely intelligent and knows how to get things accomplished.

[Phx_Dem]

27. Ditto

I'd like him to make her Ambassador to Siberia, but I'll settle for Health care.

[Zavulon]

32. Put her in charge of nothing, that's as far as I go.

She had a chance once and blew it. I'd prefer to see Obama pick up that legacy instead of someone who hinted at his assassination and then hid behind a great American's brain cancer during her pathetic spin. She's a disgustingly selfish human being who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but herself.

The only thing I want to see her do is pack up her shit and leave politics forever. I don't even want her in the Senate anymore.

[vaberella]

34. I'm actually against her healthcare plan

One of the reasons I switched to Obama's camp is because I preferred his healthcare reform plan. I don't have health insurance and live in New York because of the expense. Clinton's reform plan penalises me, while Obama's plan gives me an option.

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. It gives you the option of opting into insurance after you get sick.

The problem is that this, for a consumer, is a rational move. It will also make insurance more expensive.

His plan sucks.

[GoesTo11]

39. If her ego can handle it,

and she could put her all into HHS, then she could be very good at it. Not perfect - a little too generous to the healthcare industry. But she really does know this issue, and she is obviously a much more experienced politician than she was in 1993 - knows the senate, knows how to frame an issue (damn, does she). She cares a lot about HHS issues (education too), probably more than others. If she set out to make her mark in life by doing a bang-up job there, and working on the president's side, she would leave a fine legacy as a policy maker. If she views it as a stepping stone and a stage, cancel my bet.

[ellisonz]

40. That spot is reserved for Dr. Howard Dean.

[Andy823]

41. Anything but VP!

He needs someone with the same goals for change, and that's not HILLARY!!!!!!

[Oak2004]

42. Frankly I'd rather see her given a plum like Ambassador to the UN

Secrecy is part and parcel of the job, so she can be as secret as she wants to be. And ambassador is a high status position: she can get all the ego stroking she wants.

[rainbow4321]

45. Did Obama hint at that tonight??

Something about HRC would be playing a major role in health care changes in the future.

And HRC spent a lot of time during her speech on healthcare..

Whatever...just keep her out of the VP office and make sure SOMEone sane has to sign off on whatever decisions she makes.