Hillary will have to be vetted, the same as others on the short list for VP

[Adelante]

Bill will have to be vetted, too.

I doubt the Clintons will want their recent business gone over with a fine tooth comb, but Obama's campaign will insist on it.

This dream ticket ain't happening, I say.

[texastoast]

1. God knows, it shouldn't

Nightmare ticket.

Obama is too smart to let her in, I surely hope.

[PoliticalAmazon]

38. She used assassination as a campaign strategy. Consider the vetting over. n/t

[texastoast]

42. That she did

She lost me forever when she said McCain was more qualified. So very, very wrong.

However, never one to throw out the baby with the bathwater, I think she would make an excellent Secretary of Health, but even with that, there's the baggage of being Hillary.

[dansolo]

45. Secretary of Health???

What qualifies her to be Secretary of Health? I'd say that an excellent candidate for Secretary of Health would be Howard Dean. He has decades of experience that Hillary couldn't even approach. First as a doctor, and then as the governor of Vermont, where he had opportunities to institute various health care solutions for his citizens. All Hillary has is the backing of a bunch of insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists.

[roguevalley]

54. The RNC is passing around a video with her saying just that today.

[texastoast]

61. Really?

Too close to the insurance lobbies?

[Mme. Defarge]

44. Damn straight! n/t

[DB1]

2. Bill being vetted is the snag for Hillary. Too bad really.

[LSparkle]

3. Yep ... good timing with the Vanity Fair piece (SERIOUSLY!)

Maybe THAT'S why Bill is apoplectic about "Scumbag" Todd Purdum.

I've been screaming forever that she HASN'T BEEN VETTED for the
past 8 years ... All THAT baggage still needs to be gone through
and it's gonna take some time. The end result will NOT be pretty
(I predict).

[Kittycat]

4. CNN Discussing - link to dKos blog in reference

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/3/154411/2205/481/528353

[Adelante]

8. Thanks, very interesting

Just heard Suzanne Malveaux on CNN as they were talking about Hillary as VP. Despite the fact that Hillary and her supporters are hoping for a VP slot, the Obama folks aren't nearly as keen to the idea.

Suzanne stated a few interesting things. First, Obama is not the type to be pressured into making hasty promises. He is planning to take his time and look at many potential candidates.

Second, she stated that Obama's team would first have to vet the Clinton's finances. This means looking into the Clinton Presidential Library, Bill's financial ties to Ron Burkle and other shady figures, and perhaps even a closer look at Clinton's years in the White House. Even though Obama didn't bring up any of this stuff during the primary, they know these could be MAJOR liabilities against the Republicans in the fall.

Rep. James Clyburn just came on CNN and said the same thing. Even though he is open to the "Nightmare Ticket", he thinks the Clintons would have to be vetted first.

So I would take a step back and calm down on this VP talk. There is no way the Clintons pass the vetting test.

[K Gardner]

12. This really should be required reading. The posts here about this today are ridiculous.

[goldcanyonaz]

5. How ridiculous

[JuniperLea]

6. This is silly

The Clinton's have been under the microscope since Bill ran for Prez. There is no more pointing to wrong doing on the recent episode than it was in Ken Starr's day.

[K Gardner]

9. You're either extremely naieve or know nothing about presidential politics. Running for President

does not equal vetting.. for anyone. Hillary is NOT exempt.

[JuniperLea]

18. Your insults are amusing

They really have nothing to do with my post, which is part of their charm.

You are so very, very wrong. Running for president does equal vetting... if you think the GOP will let one sliver of dust on a Democratic presidential candidate go unnoticed and un-trumpeted, the naive is on the other foot.

[K Gardner]

34. You better hurry up and tell the politicians then. Those stupid jerks think they have to vet

candidates ! But since you know more than any of them.. I suggest you start calling them to let them know they got it wrong.

[JuniperLea]

41. You don't get it... or politics... clearly... eom

[roguevalley]

56. the library stuff alone will sink them. his ties to terror regimes will sink them.

[ellacott]

13. They haven't been under the microscope since he left the White House

There have been many questions about his donor list. They need to be vetted and Obama would be foolish if he didn't do it.

[Adelante]

16. And Obama camp is thorough

So we know they will not let this pass.

[JuniperLea]

20. Yep

Obama would have been all over any impropriety like white on rice, and they would have used it a long time ago. It would have saved them a ton of money. Obama is no fool, even if his supporters seem to think so.

[ellacott]

22. It's a lot that Obama chose not to use

He had a different strategy with the Clintons.

[JuniperLea]

23. That may be true... still...

He's not foolish enough to NOT dig. He is very smart and knows he needs to have all the information available. Choosing not to use it does not mean he had nothing.

[ellacott]

33. That statement is a contradiction

"Choosing not to use it does not mean he had nothing"

Of course it doesn't mean he didn't have anything. If he didn't have anything there would not be much of a choice.

[JuniperLea]

39. You know for a fact he chose not to use something? eom

[ellacott]

40. Yes, her husband's donor list

[roguevalley]

57. yeah he could have but he didn't. he didn't need to. over and over

he played it right without flinging shit at another dem. too bad she didn't. she might have won. perhaps.

[JuniperLea]

19. Wrong wrong wrong

The Clinton machine has been under the microscope since Bill's first run for office. The GOP would love nothing more than to find dirt on the Clinton's, while they are running for office or not. If you think the GOP has not been on the case to find said dirt since Hillary announced her run, you are naive.

[ellacott]

21. Of course the GOP has been on the case to find dirt on them

That is not what I said. They haven't been investigated(ala Ken Starr) since Bill left ofice.

Why do you think they wanted her to win?

There are many issues that are still unresolved(like his donor list).

Please don't think that because they haven't been in the news that there's nothing that can used against them.

Someone in this thread provided a link to a list of things.

[JuniperLea]

26. You don't get it

They live their lives under constant investigation by everyone who hates them... the list is very long. Ken Starr had nothing, and that investigation was far more likely to garner information.

What you are seeing here are rumors. Not one shred of substantiation.

The Clinton's are not stupid. They may be many things, but they are not stupid. They want public life more than anything. They are not about to ruin their own chances, knowing full well they couldn't keep any wrong doing under wraps.

[roguevalley]

58. They HAVE dirt on them, especially bill. They have been waiting

for her to win so they could slime their lame candidate into office. Now they can't.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. Did you forget the eight years since Bill left office?

[JuniperLea]

27. No

Those eight years were spent getting Hillary up to speed for this election. The Clinton's want public life more than anything. There's not a chance in hell they would ruin their chances. I'm not buying it. They know full well there are a lot of people in Washington that hate their guts... and watch their every move. It wouldn't take a run for office to make people magically start looking into their business. The microscope is always on them. They have pissed so many people off, and they are anything but stupid.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

28. Giustra, Gupta, Hsu, Burkle.

Enough said.

[JuniperLea]

31. And you have all the facts on that? eom

[Starbucks Anarchist]

32. Here's one piece to get you started:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy.Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

[JuniperLea]

37. Jesus! Are you in support of America's foreign policy????!??!??!??!?

Are you in support of the Bush/McCain policy of NOT talking to the bad guys too? This article summarizes without giving much detail. I don't trust such things.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

46. This was a private visit that benefited Clinton's foundation.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

Not exactly the same as talking with Ahmedinejad.

And as I stated above, it directly contradicted Hillary's stance on Kazakhstan. Just like the Colombian free-trade deal, Bill seems to do the opposite of Hillary every time.

[JuniperLea]

47. Ummm... you are the one who highlighted the bit about foreign policy

And in case you haven't noticed, this is a capitalistic society. There is no law against starting an "exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs"... there are dozens of them that I know of, so there are probably a lot more than that. You just try to get into the Carlyle Group... or Thomas H. Lee Partners... or any other exclusive club like this.

So what?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. My point was regarding vetting of Hillary and Bill.

They contradict each other repeatedly -- too much baggage by themselves.

If you don't think Bill will be all over the place when/if Hillary is the VP, you're not looking at this properly.

[roguevalley]

59. so basically, you are in favor of predatory capitalism that takes money

from blood drenched dictators?

[roguevalley]

55. you need to catch up. foreign dictators, ties to the people who paid

for 9-11 and so on. Catch up. Truly.

[K Gardner]

7. Thank you for making this an OP. I can only assume some of these people yelling

and demanding VP NOW, PICK HER, etc., have no earthly idea that there is a seriously long and in-depth vetting process involved. Neither Hillary or Bill would be exempt from this. And it hasn't even started yet. Her name will be one of many who is thoroughly vetted PRIOR to Obama and his team making THEIR decision.

It won't come via manipulation, threats or blackmail.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. She would not reveal Bill's Library or Foundation Donors until after the Convention

Not even if she got the nominee, she wouldn't do it until AFTER the convention.

If that doesn't tell you anything then someone doesn't know the definition of 'AFTER' or 'IS'.

[4themind]

51. She said in the NC townhall that she wouldn't do till after the ELECTION

which is even more absurd. It's going to dominate the news cycles and make obama seem like a secretive guy for "hiding it" when it's more likely that the clintons just refused to tell him

[ProSense]

11. Start

here.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Or Here.....

http://teamsugar.com/group/616668/blog/1683536

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[JMDEM]

17. Hillary will have to see a vet?

Damn... well, that confirms some of my suspicions about her.

[malik flavors]

24. I would think Obama's Op Research vetted them long ago. They just didn't use much of it.

[K Gardner]

35. It is not the same process. Not the same team. Not the same info.

[roguevalley]

60. their private papers, conduct and contacts will have to be laid out

in triplicate. they haven't even begun to disclose stuff.

[Willo]

29. Oh, really?

You mean, they can't just flash their member cards?:sarcasm:

[JoFerret]

30. Johnson

vetted Ferraro for Mondale.

[crickets]

36. Thank you for the reality check, WesDem

:thumbsup:


(edit for poor word choice)

[BootinUp]

43. I never assumed it would

happen.

[AntiFascist]

49. They can start by...

clicking around on my sigline.

:yoiks:

[billyoc]

50. A fitting end to their ill-gotten gains.

[LordJFT]

52. her whole vetted argument has completely backfired

when she's made naive mistakes like the assasination comment

[Phoonzang]

53. Clinton for VP would necessitate Bill

be made ambassador to Bhutan.