Who the Hell Does She Think She IS? She's Holding the Entire Party Hostage

[Stephanie]

I have never seen such selfish behavior from a candidate in my life. Why is the entire Democratic Party tiptoeing around Hillary's feelings, walking on eggshells like the abused spouse of an alcoholic? Have you ever SEEN such behavior from a candidate? It's unseemly. There is no room for this diva behavior in the presidential race. It's not about HER, it's about the party, the people, the nation. Nobody owes her anything, she lost fair and square. She doesn't deserve a fricking thing.

Clinton says she's open to being Obama's VP

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton told colleagues Tuesday she would consider joining Barack Obama as his running mate, and advisers said she was withholding a formal departure from the race partly to use her remaining leverage to press for a spot on the ticket.

On a conference call with other New York lawmakers, Clinton, a New York senator, said she was willing to become Obama's vice presidential nominee if it would help Democrats win the White House, according to a participant who spoke on condition of anonymity because this person was not authorized to speak for Clinton.

Clinton's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez, who said she believed the best way for Obama to win key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.

Clinton also told colleagues the delegate math was not there for her to overtake Obama, but that she wanted to take time to determine how to leave the race in a way that would best help Democrats.

"I deserve some time to get this right," she said, even as the other lawmakers forcefully argued for her to press Obama to choose her as his running mate.

***

In a formal statement, the campaign made clear the limits of how far she would go in Tuesday night's speech. "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination," the statement said.

[HeraldSquare212]

1. No kidding. Two months of coddling and pretending she had a shot are enough.

[babylonsister]

2. I'm beyond disgusted with her; I hope Obama ignores her, especially

after this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6247089

[gateley]

15. That will be thrown in our faces the entire campaign. I posted elsewhere

and I'll say it again -- she has harmed our party.

[babylonsister]

19. The only saving grace, as another DUer mentioned, is that both

Clintons would have to be thoroughly vetted. Would they be able to withstand that? But yes, there wouldn't have been all this disunity if she'd done the right thing in the first place.

[gateley]

33. Yeah - I think it was WesDem.

It shouldn't even get that far though, and I agree it wouldn't be so contentious now if she'd done what the other candidates did when they realized they weren't going to make it.

[City Lights]

21. Thanks, babylonsister. I missed that one!

:argh:

[Haole Girl]

22. Yep...

She gave them plenty of ammunition.

I can see the Repug campaign ads now. *sigh*

[PoliticalAmazon]

70. I'm at the point where KHTTC is the only option. n/t

[Stephanie]

72. She's setting a horrible example.

I'm beyond disgusted by her.

[billyoc]

3. Goddess of Peace!

Cluster bomb! RUN! :rofl:

[reflection]

7. Goddess of Peace

and the God of Piece. What a pair.

[JackORoses]

82. Goddess of Piss

Hillga, the Obliterator

[EFerrari]

4. She's just demonstrating how unfit she is. I hope the Obama people get it. n/t

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[EFerrari]

10. He's a baby for not giving in to coercion?

No, he's a WINNER for his good handling of her nonstop bullshit. That's just the kind of leader this country needs.

[LaurenG]

20. He is a younger candidate

but he has the drive and ambition plus the people and logical thinking skills and he's compassionate, we have a pretty darned good nominee in him.

[Eurobabe]

6. Screw them, I don't want them anywhere NEAR

the ticket. Not after the damage she has done.

[damntexdem]

8. She's just being herself. She knows that's who she is.

"Be yourself. Be what you're like. Be like yourself."

[Junkdrawer]

9. She thinks she's one scandal away from the nomination...

Anytime during the next two months. n/t

[KoKo]

23. Rev. Pflager has just been suspended from his duties to do "reflection" by the Cardinal of his

Parish and CNN is flaming it as "punishment for his comments about Hillary." Roland Martin is saying that the Parisioners of Trinity will be witholding their donations to the Church because Pflager was a speaker at Corretta King's funeral and has done much for the Chicago Community..of the church.

[rodeodance]

28. good.What that priest say was beyond the pale

[QC]

76. How will the parishioners of Trinity withhold donations from St. Sabina's?

This makes no sense.

[gateley]

11. "...she was willing to become Obama's vice presidential nominee if

it would help Democrats win the White House..."

It won't Hillary. It will bring out all those Republicans en masse to vote against you in the polls. Thanks just the same - awfully generous of you.

[TexasObserver]

12. Seldom has any loser been such a complete, self absorbed jackass.

[EFerrari]

17. I don't remember ANYTHING like this -- although, to be fair

I've never paid such close attention.

[K Gardner]

37. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[ORDem]

69. Not since Nixon's Checkers speech methinks. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

71. Not the Checkers speech.

The one you're thinking of was after he lost his run for governor of California in 1962, when he said 'you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore'.

[breakaleg]

13. Obama has shown himself to be very cool under pressure. I doubt he'll be swayed now.

[Stephanie]

66. I think you're right.

Obama is not going to let himself be pushed around.

[LaurenG]

14. I guess it's all part of "the game"

I'm getting weary of it. I wish my brain would just disengage from this now. x(

[Haole Girl]

16. Why are they "tiptoeing around Hillary's feelings"?

Good question. Food for thought.

[Arugula Latte]

18. Same goes for some of the more extreme of her supporters.

I'm sick of them bullying us, acting like THEY won the nomination and that we should do their bidding. Such arrogance and hubris and presumption. Hillary had it in droves at the beginning of this tortuous process, and that is a huge factor in her defeat.

[shaniqua6392]

24. There are a lot of people who really want this to happen.

Just listen to the media on the shows tonight. It all they are talking about. I think he is going to do it. He could sure use her almost 18 million voters in order to win imo. We would be almost guaranteed to win in November. McCain would not have a chance in hell.

[moondust]

54. Those kinds of voters would not be voting for him.

They would be voting for her to go in there and run things. And she wouldn't hesitate to try!

The media and Republicans love the idea because it would continue to divide and weaken the Democratic Party.

[EFerrari]

57. You really can't rely on the corporate media.

Even if most people DID want this to happen, there is no guarantee the media would tell the straight story. They're all about their ratings and their bottom line.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. Billl Clinton's accolades for McCain were put on his own website-Screenshot

[Cooley Hurd]

26. Check out this thread, Stephanie:

Hear Harriet Out -- A Lot of Us Female Baby-Boomer DEMOCRATS Feel The Same Way!

Strange days indeed! Most peculiar, Momma, Whoa!

[EFerrari]

36. LOL! That's a keeper!

"Out of three billion people, why must it be me?"

[knixphan]

27. Barack can win the GE with Ellen DeGeneres as a running mate.

[Beacool]

29. Who does she think she is?

The person who won half of the votes and is only 117 pledged delegates behind the front runner.

THAT'S who she is......

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

31. How many voters did you disenfranchise to make that claim?

Sad.

[sunnystarr]

38. So when the Superbowl is won by one point the losers

are more special? Deserve more consideration? A win is a win is a win!

[starroute]

64. Best reason for her not to be on the ticket

The vice president has to be happy playing second fiddle, backing up the president, not expressing any independent opinions of their own. Having somebody with their own positions and their own following try to squeeze down into the second slot would create incredible tensions and most likely lead to disaster of one kind or another.

It would do Hillary no favors to ask her to become Obama's sidekick -- and do Obama no favors to saddle him with having to keep an oversized veep in line.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Oh God Y'all Need To Grow Up. It's A Perfectly Fine Strategy And Some Of You Need To Get A Grip

already.

For real.

[NashVegas]

40. Ah. Youth.

They've never lived through an election where public information was limited.

[EFerrari]

51. Hardly, considering the demographics of DU posters. n/t

[Adelante]

32. "I deserve some time to get this right"

Fuck her. She's had more than enough indulging of her whims by this party.

[breakaleg]

39. That "time" is so she can try to force herself into the VP slot. But it looks like the supers

are not going to give it to her.

[Stephanie]

67. We have indulged the Clintons long enough

I am so sick of them.

[sunnystarr]

34. I've been waiting for someone to post this ....

all I've heard on MSNBC since Morning Joe is how Obama should let Hillary have this day! That he has all the rest of the days .. said they. She should be given time ... she's earned this respect ... and on and on and on ... and I reached for my barf bag!!

It's HIS victory ... hard fought and won. I wanted to use their infamous sport metaphors that they interject every other minute ...

So let's see ... when a team wins the Superbowl they shouldn't celebrate ... the losers after all fought hard .. blah blah blah ... give them that day and the winners can celebrate the next day ... it just isn't a time for congrats ...

Apply this to any sport ...

I am so worn out on Hillary ... and I'm not supportive of her as VP cause it will be drama 24/7 when Billy forgets he's not president and undermines Obama every chance he gets so that we can remember that Hillary, after all, should have won.

[dmr]

35. She just won't let Obama have his historic moment

I am certain with all my being that the question asking her if she is interested in the VP slot was orchestrated and released to the media at the right moment.

So, she'll accept the VP, yet won't concede her loss.

Must she steal Obama's thunder?

My son last night told me not to get too hopeful. "Mom, she's like a virus that won't go away. You think you're getting better but it returns making you still feel like shit."

When we should be healing, the ill feelings and division just gets bigger.

[Nite Owl]

41. And this is such a huge win for Obama

She had everything going in her favor: money, name recognition, an established campaign network, Bill. She blew it. She picked the wrong people and ignored the base expecting it would be easier to do it without us.

[Window]

42. And the party is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

[crankychatter]

52. YES... you nailed it - nt

.

[Captain Hilts]

43. This is how politics works. She's a politician and so's Obama. Nothing new, kids. nt

[CoffeeCat]

44. Everyone calm down...she won't be vp....

Hillary all ready knows this.

She's been told that Obama doesn't want her on the ticket. For Pete's sake,
a DUer (I'm sorry I don't remember how the OP was), said she went to a
speech where one of Obama's campaign officials discussed the vp slot, and that
Hillary would not be on it, because Obama represents change; she does not.

There is so much going on behind the scenes--that we cannot even imagine .

The Progressive wing of the party just fricking wrestled away control of the party--
from the neocon DLC wing of the party.

(HOLY MOTHER OF CRIMINEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Everyone in our party assumed that Hillary would be our nominee. The Progressives
in our party have pulled off a coup of remarkable proportions. No way in hell will
the Progressive stalwarts (Gore, Edwards, Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, Richardson, Daschle, etc) allow a DLC
neocon on the ticket with Obama.

The Progressives understand very well that the DLC is on board with the neocon--and that our
democracy is in peril.

No. Way. In. Hell--will she be on the ticket.

So, she'll kick and scream and play games--like what we're seeing now. She knows. She knows it's
over. This, "I'd entertain the idea," is a shout out to her supporters that she wants it. She's
trying to bully Obama--by forcing him to pick her, or risk offending her supporters.

It's a new damn day in the Democratic party. I don't care if we lose DLC neocons. I hope that the
decent people who supported Hillary will join us. There are plenty of Independents and rational
Republicans who will be along for the ride.

..and it's going to be unprecedented.

The nightmare is ending. We've seen the worst government leadership EVER in this country--and now we're about
to enjoy the BEST government leadership EVER.

[breakaleg]

50. Well said and worth a read.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. TS - beautifully stated...

:thumbsup:

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

59. My Mom called me last night, she is a Hillary supporter, and was

wanting to know about this Obama stuff. (The MSM has seriously mislead many in this nation.) Mom does not have internet and believes what these tv boobies tell her, I try to set her straight but she is getting up there in age and her health has declined. By the end of our conversation, Moms saying "Well, I always liked that Obama! I'd send him some money if I could!" I told her, don't worry Ma, I sent twice so far. He doesn't need your money, just your Vote.
My Mother raised me to be a Straight Ticket Democrat, just like her. She really wanted Hillary, but is now very happy to vote for Obama. The likes of her kind would NEVER vote McCain.

[crickets]

60. Well said indeed.

[Mimosa]

80. Nobody's said it better, Two Sparkles

Thank you!!!!

[MiniMe]

45. Its a start. It is a concession that she isn't going to win without actually admitting it

It was a close race, and I really don't blame her for waiting until everybody had voted. I'll give her through Friday before I trash her for that.

That being said, I absolutely hate the campaign she has run, and it has really turned me off towards her.

The Hillarybots were calling into Washington Journal this morning saying that they were going to vote for John McCain because Barack stole it from her. It seemed like they were all reading from the same script. I won't say Hillary put them up to it, but Terry McAuliff wouldn't surprise me.

I started out not having a real favorite between them, that was months ago of course. Either way, I plan on voting for the democratic candidate. But the campaign she has run has really turned me off.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

46. Who was it that said there will be no assholes working on the Obama Campaign?

Axelrod

not gonna happen.

“There are no assholes,” Axelrod responded. “There are going to be no assholes on this campaign.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9891_Page2.html

[EFerrari]

49. And he was right. The campaign has not been marred

with the infighting that Clinton's campaign has suffered from.

Good job.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

63. Brilliant and Good. What a gift he has been to the Obama Campaign.

To say nothing of the rest, What an Amazing group!

[WA98296]

47. K&R

[backscatter712]

48. Throw her under the bus!

Why should Obama reward Clinton's bad behavior with the VP slot?

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

55. Reminds me of LIEberman n/t

[Raine]

56. I'm completely DISGUSTED and

REPULSED by the Clintons! :mad: :grr: :nuke: :puke:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

58. With the amount of Chicken Littles on this board, I could open up my own KFC.

Calm down. Seriously.

I think 95% of people here don't have a true concept of the political process in the least.

[SlipperySlope]

61. * deleted *

[dolo amber]

62. This is the greatest post in the history of Democratic Underground

:patriot:

/not sarcastic, either.

[JVS]

73. I thought it was good, but I'm not sure if it's the greatest ever.

recd

[Two Americas]

65. 47% of the voters

She represents a lot of people. Are they all excluded from your notion as to what comprises "the entire party?" Too many Obama supporters talk as though winning the support of Democrats, by less than a one percent margin, now gives the Obama supporters the right to define the party and exclude or purge all dissidents. This may succeed at gaining control over the party, at least for a while and to some extent, but it comes at the expense of crippling us going into the general.

[still_one]

68. I am not arguing that we should come together, but I suggest that it is Senator Clinton who may be

crippling us going into the general

[Two Americas]

83. no fan of Clinton

This is not really about Senator Clinton. Were she pulling 20% of the vote, then I think that everything people are saying about her campaign would be more accurate, or more credible at least. However, in a representative democracy the politicians represent the people, not the other way around, and it is the people supporting her candidacy - whether we agree with them or like the fact they are supporting her or not - who matter. Obviously there are many Democrats who have not wished that she drop out, as evidenced by the vote totals she has continued to rack up. We need to look at who and what is being represented as closely as we look at the politician doing the representing, and that is more important than the candidate's credentials, skills or charisma. I have never been a supporter of the candidacy of Senator Clinton, yet I am outraged and disturbed by the rhetoric and behavior of many Obama supporters both online and off line. People can dismiss that, or explain it away - "she asked for it" or say that her supporters are "freepers and racists and who needs 'em?" but even if those dismissals are accurate, they make for very weak and destructive politics. The bullying tactics being used are only effective to the degree that the targets of the abuse are in fact loyal Democrats and potential allies, and the general public will not be so tolerant of the campaign.

I think that the case being made against Senator Clinton and the frantic and zealous attacks on her and her supporters are dependent on a web of exaggerations and distortions woven together for the purpose of satisfying emotional needs of the Obama supporters, and then used as an excuse to abuse and attack others and to feel self-righteous and dominant over others. That is a strain in modern liberalism - we have been trained to accept the consolation prize in politics: being "right" in a self-righteous way, in lieu of getting actual results - and it is that very thing that most alienates the general public from the politics of the left and that gives the right wing propagandists their greatest advantages.

[fortyfeetunder]

74. All she is doing is giving more reasons why she should be ignored

Still seeking attention, and conveniently forgets the numerous barbs she levied on her opponent, of which some were personal rather than issues related.

Hillary, you did make history and you did well. But if I were Sen. Obama I would give pause to someone who said the things about me that I would never have mentioned publicly. If you are not selected for Vice-President, maybe you should give pause and reflection on your contribution to this outcome.

[On the Road]

75. I'm Just Mystified by This

It's like the Republican reaction to Scotty McClellan. I do not know this person.

[DeschutesRiver]

77. No, this is a first

I've never seen someone act so backyard and unprofessional, so down right unstable and unbalanced. It was a disgrace - watching her speech whose big moment was her punchline "so, what does HILLARY want?" It was a pretty surreal moment.

I am hoping that party leaders, people powerful in the democratic party and elsewhere, are somehow banding together to take this woman out of politics for the rest of her days as we speak. That she has crossed so many people, messed up the chances for a woman to hold this office without people forever saying "remember how crazy Hillary got by the end of the run? Clearly not a job for "girls", done so much internal party damage that she is just pushed into real obscurity.

Everytime I see Hillary now, I think of that crazy supporter Harriet as her voter base. It reminds me of that repub Huckabee's voter base. I don't give a rip if those people vote for a pet rock or McCain - but I do hope Obama maintains a cooler head than I could, and finds a way to get her out of being considered a viable VP, and safely into some role where she can be neutered and not maintain her delusional troublemaking status. And ditto for that freak Bill Clinton.

[MilesColtrane]

78. I hope Obama tells her to take her blackmailing tactics and shove them up her ass.

Hillary, it's not about you, or Obama. It's about our country.

Concede!

[cyberpj]

79. She'll do anything for that "first" designation. If not President, then Vice-President. Can you

imagine how much MORE nervous Obama would have to be if she WAS VP?
(Can you say Lyndon Johnson?... I knew you could.)
The Clintons have merged with the BFE and that includes their tactics.

[wowimthere]

81. And the Leadership is letting her hold the party hostage.

[depakid]

84. It's just politics in a relatively close race

Now that Obama is the presumptive nominee, one ought to feel free to ignore Hillary antics and positioning and get over their obsessions.

The obama campaign still has a lot of work to do convincing folks that he's capable of winning the presidency or governing effectively if he's elected.

Continued Hillary bashing accomplished neither of these things.